Excessive amount of ammunition on hand!


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sigprosp2340
April 9, 2008, 01:28 AM
Question all, as this looks like a good place to get the answer.

My friends at work, shooting friends, say that I have too much ammo on hand. They say that it is against the law to have that much ammo on hand at my house. I live in Nevada and I own my house. Right now I have about 25 weapons and about 20,000 rounds of ammunition. I buy ammo in bulk and get a good price, I bought a lot of this a couple of years ago when I saw that ammo was on the rise.

What do you guys think;

Do I have too much ammo?

Is there a law about how much ammo you are allowed to have?

Thanks,

SIGPROSP2340

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gc70
April 9, 2008, 01:35 AM
You put more than one caliber on a rack?!

moharrow
April 9, 2008, 01:45 AM
as long as the floor will support it its not too much ammo

if the floor won't support it,,,,reinforce the floor:evil:

Drusagas
April 9, 2008, 01:51 AM
of course that's not too much. Get More:D

You'll need it when the Zombies come:evil:

armoredman
April 9, 2008, 01:52 AM
Check in state and local law for storage of haz mat, and what, specifically, is defined as haz mat. If your ammo falls under that, start shooting. BTW, Fed law exempts small arms as haz mat for shipping reasons, at least.
I can say I am envious! I think your buddies have ammo envy.

Gator
April 9, 2008, 01:54 AM
Not too much at all.

I have over 25,000 just in .22s. :)

Regolith
April 9, 2008, 01:55 AM
Yes. You have entirely too much ammo. You should ship half of it to me so as to make certain that you are not overdoing it. ;)

green-grizzly
April 9, 2008, 02:03 AM
Check the local fire codes.

RoostRider
April 9, 2008, 03:22 AM
There are also laws against "hoarding" in some places..... that may be the issue they are referring to....

guntotinguy
April 9, 2008, 03:36 AM
I live in Nevada and I own my house

I also live in Nevada (Las Vegas)...I have triple amounts of ammo you have and many more guns than what you mentioned also...nothing illegal about it...your 'home' is your private domain!I would suggest you have your ammo and guns,in a 'safe,locked up' place as like a gun safe(s) but otherwise...

If you have questions you can check some legalities for your own reassurance...I think you'll discover your legal and safe'.

ArfinGreebly
April 9, 2008, 03:58 AM
My friends at work, shooting friends, say that I have too much ammo on hand.
How odd.

And in what part of Nevada might this be?

Up around Carson City and Reno, your 20,000 rounds is generally considered a good start.

And if you have "friends" dispensing this kind of advice, I'm not sure I'd be sharing sensitive information with them.

When I was living in Carson City, although I had fewer guns, I had nearly as much ammo.

As long as you're not engaged in activities that attract the attention of the law enforcement guys, I'd say you're fine.

What kind of company is it that you work for?

IronSightRot671
April 9, 2008, 05:09 AM
Yes, you have way more then you need! You must share your ammo with all of us:neener:

Btw, You can never have enough of a good thing. I'm jealous, yet, again:evil:

Also, welcome to THR. I almost forgot. I got caught up looking at your ammo::cool:

jrfoxx
April 9, 2008, 06:37 AM
Check the local fire codes.
+1 there are no federal laws about ammo amounts or storage, so it would be up to local laws or codes to set one, if one exists where you are. I have never heard of any state or local law on ammo ammounts/storage, but HAVE heard of some places with fire code regs. about it, so check there.

Deacon Blues
April 9, 2008, 06:48 AM
I hope your friends don't introduce you as "the guy with the ammo cache." You could be attracting all of the wrong kind of attention. Then again, I guess the crooks have to weigh their chances of leaving with all your ammo vs., well, leaving with all your ammo. :D

Rabid Rabbit
April 9, 2008, 08:25 AM
20,000 really isn't that much. Now if you had 20,000 of 600 nitro I would either wonder why are so masochistic or be in awe that you can take that punishment.

If you care what they think tell them buying in bulk saves a lot of money so you can buy more ammo, which saves you more money to buy more ammo which saves you money to buy......by the time you get through you are making money by buying ammo.

209
April 9, 2008, 08:33 AM
Perhaps they were referring to some city/town ordinance concerning storage of ammo being a fire code issue. Check your local laws. There is a [possibly it's an urban legend] story out there where some cities and towns have limited the amount of ammo as a fire code violation.

But 20K rounds isn't much. Two or three good days at the range can use most of that up. :D

btg3
April 9, 2008, 09:27 AM
Assuming supply-and-demand still applies...
YOU AIN"T HELPING THE COST OF MY AMMO! :D
(j/k -- but I am jealous.)

glink
April 9, 2008, 09:31 AM
What would make you feel like you had to tell them?

TAB
April 9, 2008, 09:33 AM
My friends at work, shooting friends, say that I have too much ammo on hand.

How odd.

And in what part of Nevada might this be?

Up around Carson City and Reno, your 20,000 rounds is generally considered a good start.



hell in some place in NV thats 1 range trip worth...


AS was mentioned, check your local fire codes. Other then that your fine.

ctdonath
April 9, 2008, 09:55 AM
1,000 rounds per gun is a minimum. Any less than that, it's time to restock. Seriously, a single session at the range can use up most of that.

Prices doing what they are, call it "investing in precious metals" - and get more. I hate to shoot my .308 'cuz the stack I paid $500 for is now worth at least $2000 and rising fast.

W.E.G.
April 9, 2008, 10:31 AM
The fire code varies from state-to-state, and from locality-to-locality. Your local fire marshal should be able to tell you exactly what code your locality uses. Typically, a locality adopts one of the "model codes" (BOCA, NFPA, etc), and then usually adds their own amendments/changes in the local code of ordinances.

Kind of a PITA to research, and rarely is available online in any format that will leave you satisfied that you have complete information. Yes, its the 21st century, but this is one area of the law where you will be remiss unless you dig into the actual books.

Primer storage usually is the area where shooters are over the line on what is allowed by law. Don't ask whether primers that are part of a loaded cartridges count toward the tally, because NOBODY can answer that with any clear authority.

FuzzyBunny
April 9, 2008, 10:33 AM
I would not store it in a visible location like that.
I would also tell your friends they are right and you have been shooting up your excessive ammo. Let them think you have shot most of it up.

After a month or so ask your buddies if they can loan you some ammo. When times get tough they will remember your pile of ammo and might try and come take it.

Same with food. If someone sees you have 6 months worth of food in your pantry then they will remember that when there is a food shortage of some kind. It is a personal security issue and you need to deal with it.

EOD Guy
April 9, 2008, 11:32 AM
Check in state and local law for storage of haz mat, and what, specifically, is defined as haz mat. If your ammo falls under that, start shooting. BTW, Fed law exempts small arms as haz mat for shipping reasons, at least.
I can say I am envious! I think your buddies have ammo envy.

No, it doesn't. Small arms ammunition is classed as a Division 1.4G explosive material by the Department of Transportation. If packaged properly in small amounts, it can be reclassed as ORM-D (Other Regulated Material - D) which is still considered a hazardous material.

As to residential storage, as several people have stated, it is usually covered under the Fire Code, although California has some powder limits in the Health and Safety Code. Most fire codes that I have seen only limit powder and primers. There is usually no limit on loaded small arms ammunition.

One other thing you may have to consider is response to a fire. If ammunition starts popping off, many fire departments will back off and let it burn, even though there is very little danger to fire fighters from burning ammunition.

Nightwing
April 9, 2008, 11:37 AM
Can I just suggest that you buy an 80 dollar cheapie key lock gun safe at Walmart, put a few shelves in it, and lock your ammo up?
I'd be pissed if my house got broken into while I was gone and somebody took a bunch of it. Ammo's worth a bunch.
Just sayin... I keep almost all of my ammo locked, except or a small stash in 2 rooms for personal protection.

xsquidgator
April 9, 2008, 11:41 AM
Wow! That's a lot of store-bought ammo! I see a number of plastic boxes so I assume you reload above and beyond your store-bought stash? I think I'll save this picture and show it to my wife when she complains I'm spending too much on components!

I'd check your local laws. IN FL I'm not aware of any laws like that with the exception of how many pounds of smokeless powder can be kept in a residence. It's probably not a problem, but I second the idea of letting people think you've gotten rid of it and no longer have so much. Here people will admire your stash, but out there people will get the wrong idea and assume you're up to no good, or at worst, might come looking for some in the event that having ammo was critical.

mortdooley
April 9, 2008, 11:51 AM
Be sure to tell your friends that you have shot almost all of your ammo and see no reason to restock. I made an inventory list of firearms and will not tell anyone what the count was, people who know me know I own firearms but no one will get a hint of the number.

RIATAC45
April 9, 2008, 12:04 PM
I don't think it should be a problem. I'm building a rather large collection of ammo my self, not nearly that much, unfortunatly.

My buddy has 1.75 million rounds of .308 for his mini gun and nobody gave him any flak. He had to build a building to put it all in tho.

gunsnmoses
April 9, 2008, 12:11 PM
the problem is it isn't in magazines. put the kids to work and load them up!

DrewH
April 9, 2008, 01:08 PM
My friends at work, shooting friends, say that I have too much ammo on hand. They say that it is against the law to have that much ammo on hand at my house.

I would tell your "friends" who, supposedly, shoot to find the specific law that forbids you to have more than such and such an amount of ammuntion and show it to you. Until they do so, they can shut up.

If people tell you some preposterous story its incumbent on them to prove it, not you to check it out.

Very seriously doubt there are any fire code regs or other regs limiting your ammo. Maybe they just want some of your ammo :)

Grizzly Adams
April 9, 2008, 01:33 PM
1. Very few people know how much ammo I have.
2. My ammo is stored away from my house. No problem with residental storage fire codes. Plus I live in the boonies.
3. I agree with the others that say you have to much and MUST SHARE!
4. NICE!!

bigdad
April 9, 2008, 01:43 PM
Never wise to let others know what you have. If a shtf scenario comes up and others have not prepared, well, you know.:eek:

Jolly Rogers
April 9, 2008, 02:08 PM
Too much ammunition. Has to be an example of an oxymoron. Like military intelligence and jumbo shrimp.;)
Joe

damien
April 9, 2008, 02:46 PM
My buddy has 1.75 million rounds of .308

Your buddy rich? That's almost a million dollars of ammo even for cheapo ball ammo!

DrewH
April 9, 2008, 03:04 PM
Delete-wrong thread

Old Dog
April 9, 2008, 04:12 PM
31 posts before someone finally chipped in and mentioned that one should not tell/show others how much ammo one keeps on hand?

No one, but no one (well, except for the woman with whom I share my house) ever sees my firearms and ammunition stores.

As Fox Mulder believed, trust no one. Even "close" friends will blab unexpectedly, for the poorest of reasons ...

springmom
April 9, 2008, 05:00 PM
Yes, you do. And you should send all of the excess to me. I'll take good care of it. :evil::evil::evil:

You're fine. As far as I'm concerned, you're just getting into the "I have a good amount of ammo on hand" range, myself.

Springmom

Marbles
April 9, 2008, 05:02 PM
I believe you should split it up.

All your ammo will not stop the federal ninja.

Nor will you need it to stop a simple low-key burglar.

If something goes wrong involving your house, -all- your guns and -all- your ammo will probably be gone.

Buy more, of course, and stash more off site in a bug out place or something.

mondocomputerman
April 9, 2008, 05:19 PM
You just got me to think if my city has regulations so I called them up. No, Olathe KS does not have any regulations on the amount of ammo you have with either the police or fire department.

Jacka L Ope
April 9, 2008, 05:29 PM
My friends at work, shooting friends, say that I have too much ammo on hand.

They know too much. Nobody who is not "in" with you at time SHTF should know what any of your preparations have been. Everyone else is a Zombie.

DrewH
April 9, 2008, 05:38 PM
31 posts before someone finally chipped in and mentioned that one should not tell/show others how much ammo one keeps on hand?

It has been mentioned several times in this thread before post 31.

I don't boast about my guns and ammo, or tell perfect strangers, but I don't hide it either. If you ask and I will tell I have 7,000+ rounds of ammo and 11 guns. It is no secret I have guns and ammo.

I suppose keeping it secret may be safer, but I hate to treat gun ownership like some awful, embarrassing, shameful, condition I have to hide from everyone. My house has plenty of non gun stuff that would tempt thieves, really, and in the unlikely (in my view) event the SHTF I will hopefully be at home to defend myself with guns and ammo.

K3
April 9, 2008, 06:09 PM
I suppose keeping it secret may be safer, but I hate to treat gun ownership like some awful, embarrassing, shameful, condition I have to hide from everyone.

I don't think anybody is viewing it like that. I see it as more of a nunya thing.

Nunya business.

DrewH
April 9, 2008, 06:59 PM
I don't think anybody is viewing it like that. I see it as more of a nunya thing.

Nunya business.

Just don't see it that way, particularly. Its my hobby (as well as a mean of self defense), I like to shoot, I don't mind talking about it or shooting competitions or giving advice or talking about the CMP program.

Some of my co-workers work on cars and show pictures of their mods and discuss their projects and so forth. Others are in computers and home stereos and we discuss them. Lots of valuable stuff to steal. More than a few are shooters and we talk guns and ammo. One bakes pies and brings them in and we evaluate them :)

NDGeek
April 9, 2008, 11:32 PM
I would say I have about that much. I keep it all in Ammo cans though. When I fill up a can, it goes to location B, which actually isn't really that far from location A. Maybe I should look into that.

Anyway, I would say just don't advertise it's existance and you'll be fine, but I don't know about the local culture w/ regard to guns.

But if the house floods or a meteor strikes or a gamma ray burst hits.. well at least it's not all in one place!

Cacique500
April 10, 2008, 12:33 AM
Lightweight.

:D

sigprosp2340
April 10, 2008, 02:12 AM
Thank you all for the replies.

It is hard to keep it a secret at my office, I am the one the organizes the monthly shots for my friends at the office and some buy ammo from me if they shoot one of my guns.

And I agree with the posters that say, Hay it is my hobby, I am not ashamed of it and I will not hide it, ask and I will tell. I own guns and I am proud of it. That is why I moved from Communist California.

I will look into the fire codes for Clark County, I did not think of that, just federal.

One problem of locking up the ammo is, as anyone how has that much know. 20,000 rounds, no big deal, I am even low on some calibers. But, damn do you know how much that stuff weighs. I bought a locker and I bent the shelves with the weight. I am looking into some way to secure it that does not cost a fortune.

Thanks all,

sigprosp2340

camp_gunner
April 10, 2008, 03:31 AM
I've been known to take 2000 to 3000 round out on a hunt in the California deserts. We have even run out a few times. Almost got mugged by my buddies when I found a spare 100 rounds. You should really stock up a bit more. Just don't tell everyone where you keep it.

flynlr
April 10, 2008, 05:29 AM
I have spent hours picking off fire ants from a mound in Texas with a pump 22. this takes many thousands of rounds. so you have a start.

bored 12 yo a few firecrackers and several bricks of .22's and fire ants . I wish I was 12 again.

foghornl
April 10, 2008, 09:59 AM
If "AmmoMan" and "CheaperThanDirt" call you to restock them...well you MIGHT have too much ammo on hand.... :evil: :D :evil:


Seriously, do check on the Haz-Mat laws/codes on your area.

ilbob
April 10, 2008, 10:14 AM
IMO, there is no such thing as too many guns or too much ammo.

I once bought three cases of 22 target ammo at the same time because I got a deal. That was 15,000 rounds all by itself. 20,000 rounds just does not sound like a lot to me, especially if much of it is 22 or shotgun.

When I was more serious about shooting, it was not unheard of for me to go through 500 rounds in a single practice session, and 500 rounds in a week was fairly common.

Henry Bowman
April 10, 2008, 11:36 AM
Stop telling your friend how much ammo you have.

SWMAN
April 10, 2008, 01:47 PM
One can never have too much ammo, ever.

molonlabe28
April 10, 2008, 03:24 PM
Well done, Sigprosp2340.

You are prepared, as you should be.

Ammo is like oxygen.

p230
April 10, 2008, 06:14 PM
Nope, buy it cheap and stack it deep. Nicely organized by the way. I nearly that much just in 5.45X39 and 7.62X39. From talking with a few firemen where I live they don't worry too much about ammo. They worry more about large amounts of powder, one mentioned hitting an unburned can one time and busting it open resulting in a flash situation. He was cleaning up after the fire was out, hit the can without knowing it was there and stirred some embers in the process.

GarySTL
April 11, 2008, 09:15 AM
The only time you can have too much ammo is if you're on fire!

cyclist
April 11, 2008, 10:55 AM
I had two but now have three things to comment on.

1. Go to your local lumber yard or big box Home Depot type store and get some thin wallboard and some small screws and nuts. You can use peg board or 1/4" plywood. The peg board will already have the holes in it. Basically you can just put sides onto your storage rack and a couple of simple hinges on the front and a makeshift door with a padlock clasp. Mostly it's to keep curious eyes from bugging out. Cheap and easy and secures the stuff from small hands and big mouths.

2. Go to one of your friend's houses, not from your's, and make the calls to the local fire department, city planning office, and local P.D.. Make the calls anonymously as a general inquiry. Tell them you were thinking of getting into some target shooting or a Skeet and Trap league and someone told you that there were regulations or laws about how much ammunition you could have on hand at home. You can even tell them that there is a 3-day competition coming up and it was recommended that you have a few thousands rounds of ammo with you. If there is a law then a phone link will put them at someone else's house, not high road, but safer than not.

3. Your comment:
I am the one the organizes the monthly shots for my friends at the office and some buy ammo from me if they shoot one of my guns.
causes me some concern. According to your comment you are now an ammunition dealer of sorts, so stop doing that. Also, per your comment, you are now an organizer, which might saddle you with some liabilities. I'm not a lawyer, but I have been reading up in a bicycling law reference book recently about liability on organized rides, and if I read it right you might have some liability if you are in fact "organizing" the shoots. So, stop doing that and pass the baton to someone else.

I've got nothing else to say on this.
Take care, be safe, be smart.

ElToro
April 12, 2008, 02:52 PM
some people would say i have too much, some people would say im an amateur. i think i need LOTS more. i have been quietly putting away as much as i can afford of the various calibers i shoot. also been getting as much as i can from CMP as its still 'cheap' and i shoot a lot of 30-06 and can always pull the bullets for my .308. only my wife and dad have seen my entire ammo collection

i have also been buying on gunbroker when i see a non pro selling his ammo, usually i can get it much cheaper that way. i recently got 4 boxes of NIB 25-06; rem, fed and hornady for avg of $12.50 a box INCLUDING shipping. from some guy who was getting out of it. also picked up 20 boxes of .308 fed vital shok from an estate auction handler for about $10 a box plus shipping. retail its like double that or worse

i stock up when i see it really cheap in a caliber i dont own. i was at Wally World one nite and they were clearing out their 20 ga shotgun ammo. $1 a box. i dont own a 20 gauge yet. every size but mostly 8.50 shot and 4 and 5 . i bought everything they had for $1 a box just becuase i would be sick to my stomach knowing i had passed it up. turns out there was bit of 12 and 16 in there too. but over 50 boxes of 25 shots federal game loads. now i got to get a 20 gauge shotgun... probly at least 300-400$ worth of 20ga ammo. i figure they owe me since i am a shareholder and their stock has done nothing for the last few years. i

and if times get tough, i can sell some of my ammo for a LOT more than i have paid due to inflation.

i dont reload YET as i am in process form moving from a tiny condo to a real house ( thanks to RE price depression, i can afford a house !) so i can set upa place to do that, but i have just about every piece of brass that i have shot form a centerfire rifle or revolver and a lot of semi auto brass.

ilbob
April 12, 2008, 04:26 PM
The other day near where I live, a guy staying in a friends home while the friend was in the hospital was forced to shoot and kill a 14 YO home invader.

The local rag's response was to focus on the alter boy qualities of the dead 14 YO.

The headline a day or two later was something about the home having "many guns", as if that is a good reason why thugs should steal from you. It was only if you looked real closely in the article that it mentioned the actual number - 15 long guns and 1 handgun. The article also mentioned the HO was an avid hunter. I was thinking about this and 15 long guns is about what it would take to hunt most game. My guess is several shotguns for geese and ducks, another for pheasant, maybe a couple for trap, skeet and sporting clays, and a slug gun for deer, and you can easily have 6 or 8 shotguns. A couple 22 rifles, and a few bolt action rifles for hunting larger animals and 15 seems like a small number for a serious hunter.

SouthpawShootr
April 12, 2008, 05:20 PM
What do you guys think;

I think you tell your friends too much. A handful of my friends know I like shooting and guns. Two know that I own more than one gun. One (grew up together and are like brothers) has the slightest inkling of what I have, but if I asked him to guess, he wouldn't come close. He has no idea how much ammo I have on hand.

You'd have to check the fire codes as that would govern the allowable quantities of ammo and storage requirements, but most states are going to be regulating this for commercial rather than private ownership. Of course, if your home burns and the resulting explosion wipes out an entire neighborhood, then I'll wager you'd be in serious trouble. Short of that, I wouldn't worry (except that you've told your "friends" too much).

Blackbeard
April 12, 2008, 05:20 PM
There's no such thing as too much ammo. There is such a thing as not enough shooting.

scrat
April 13, 2008, 01:54 AM
yep thats a heck of a lot of store bought ammo. For sure on my shelves you will see alot more plastics. However i do have a lot of store bought boxes too. At the range when i see someone shooting a same caliber of mine (store Bought). i usually not only try to get the brass but the boxes too. they make great holders when i reload. So now thinking of it. i have a bunch of boxes that look like store bought but are not. the only store bought stuff i have is .410 shotgun which is costly. but i dont have that many empties and 22lr. I usually try to get at least a brick a month even though i dont shoot that much of it. The way i see it if the liberals ever get there way and limit you to how much ammo you can purchase here in california then i should be plenty strong on ammo. Especially since i cast my own and reload.

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