Oregon: Fingerprinting required when buying gun?


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Regolith
April 10, 2008, 06:01 AM
Ok, so I've been wondering about this. The past couple of times I've bought a gun in Oregon (actually, the only two times I've ever bought a gun, which is why I'm kinda hazy on this) I was fingerprinted. Ok, I wasn't particularly happy about it, but I figured it was an Oregon law or something if you were an out of state resident (I'm a Nevada resident, and I'm living in Oregon while I attend college; both were long guns).

Ok, so fast forward to yesterday. I was in a different gun store to renew my range membership and get some targets, and another guy was buying a rifle for his daughter. After he paid and they ran the 4473, he got finger printed as well.

Now, what is confusing me is I thought that you didn't need to get finger printed to buy a gun. At least, that federal regulations don't require it.

I've never bought a gun in Nevada, so I don't know if they do that there. IS this just an Oregon thing, or did something slip by me?

Excuse me for my ignorance. :o

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NavyLCDR
April 10, 2008, 12:40 PM
It shouldn't be fingerprints, it shoud be a thumbprint as required by the following Oregon State Statue (this from the state that won't let ordinary citizens pump gas, either! ) I have never heard of any other state requiring this.

166.412 Definitions; firearms transaction record; criminal record check; rules. (1) As used in this section:

(a) “Antique firearm” has the meaning given that term in 18 U.S.C. 921;

(b) “Department” means the Department of State Police;

(c) “Firearm” has the meaning given that term in ORS 166.210, except that it does not include an antique firearm;

(d) “Firearms transaction record” means the firearms transaction record required by 18 U.S.C. 921 to 929;

(e) “Firearms transaction thumbprint form” means a form provided by the department under subsection (12) of this section;

(f) “Gun dealer” means a person engaged in the business, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921, of selling, leasing or otherwise transferring a firearm, whether the person is a retail dealer, pawnbroker or otherwise;

(g) “Handgun” has the meaning given that term in ORS 166.210; and

(h) “Purchaser” means a person who buys, leases or otherwise receives a firearm from a gun dealer.

(2) Except as provided in subsections (3)(c) and (13) of this section, a gun dealer shall comply with the following before a handgun is delivered to a purchaser:

(a) The purchaser shall present to the dealer current identification meeting the requirements of subsection (4) of this section.

(b) The gun dealer shall complete the firearms transaction record and obtain the signature of the purchaser on the record.

(c) The gun dealer shall obtain the thumbprints of the purchaser on the firearms transaction thumbprint form and attach the form to the gun dealer’s copy of the firearms transaction record to be filed with that copy.

NavyLCDR
April 10, 2008, 12:45 PM
Notice the above only applies to handguns, so I was scratching my head when I found this that applies to all firearms:

166.434 Application of ORS 166.412 to all firearm transfers by gun dealers; fees for criminal background checks. (1) Notwithstanding the fact that ORS 166.412 requires a gun dealer to request a criminal history record check only when transferring a handgun, a gun dealer shall comply with the requirements of ORS 166.412 before transferring any firearm to a purchaser. The provisions of ORS 166.412 apply to the transfer of firearms other than handguns to the same extent that they apply to the transfer of handguns.

searcher451
April 10, 2008, 12:48 PM
Navy LT is correct. Oregon law requires a thumb print from each hand to legally complete a firearms transfer. The only variance you'll find is the way that some dealers handle the paperwork. Some dealers (perhaps most) print you directly on the form. Others will print you on a separate sheet of paper and attach that to the official paperwork that must be submitted with all transactions.

kd7nqb
April 10, 2008, 01:29 PM
The .gov has my fingerprints for all sorts of things ranging from my CHL to my security license so I dont really fear the thumbprint taken by a counter clerk with no real fingerprinting training. Seriously look at how fuzzy some of those prints come out. Not a privacy issue to me at least.

NavyLCDR
April 10, 2008, 01:32 PM
Also notice, the thumbprint goes on the dealer's copy - it does not get sent in to the govment.

Winchester 73
April 10, 2008, 02:01 PM
(this from the state that won't let ordinary citizens pump gas, either!)

New Jersey won't let you pump your own gas either.Course they won't let you do lot of things there,unless you're a criminal.
Oregon's a lot more gun friendly(who isn't) ,except for the silly thumbprint rule.

Regolith
April 10, 2008, 06:23 PM
It shouldn't be fingerprints, it shoud be a thumbprint as required by the following Oregon State Statue (this from the state that won't let ordinary citizens pump gas, either! ) I have never heard of any other state requiring this.

Yeah, they were thumb prints, and I noticed they went into the same folder as the 4473.

I'm not paranoid about it. It's the principle of the thing that bothers me. It's not enough to stop me from buying guns from FFL dealers.

And yeah, the not being able to pump your own gas thing kind of ticks me off as well, specifically when I'm in a hurry. Not much I can do about it right now (can't vote in Oregon due to non-resident status). I just make sure to do most of my fill ups in Idaho and Nevada on trips home, instead of in Oregon. :neener:

Nitram68
April 10, 2008, 09:13 PM
A funny thing about having to have our gas pumped here in Oregon; It's cheaper than going to Washington where you pump it yourself. :what:

Oh yeah. While here in Oregon we get to actually shoot our suppressors and if in Washington, you have to travel to Oregon to shoot them (or Idaho) :eek:

Killermonkey21
April 10, 2008, 10:08 PM
Wow...I didn't know about it.

No amount of fingerprinting bothers me anymore. The "gubmint" has my fingerprints, my DNA, my picture, my complete life history, my paycheck, my living quarters, etc etc etc.

Eh, makes background checks easier.

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