Historical question re:Mauser C96


April 10, 2008, 07:55 PM
Was doing some historical research on the Model 1896 Mauser, AKA the "broom handle" or "red 9," but I was unable to find one piece of info: in what year was the 9mm version first put into production? The 7.63x25mm was introduced in 1896 (fancy that!), but none of the historical sites I have visited mention when the changeover to 9mm Parabellum occured.

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April 10, 2008, 09:56 PM
I dont think there was a "change over" to 9mm in the things. Just a order from the german army in WW-1 is all. The usual 9mm round in the things was the 9mm mauser or so called 9mm export round.

The Lone Haranguer
April 10, 2008, 10:31 PM
A quickie Wiki :) showed the Imperial German Army placing an order for 9mm Luger-chambered ones during WWI, but no specific year. This was not really a changeover, just a variant.

I've seen these with cutaway receivers (so as to show all the little moving parts, each perfectly machined to fit "just so") and find them fascinating.

April 10, 2008, 11:39 PM
Yeah--I checked Wikipedia, plus a couple sites specific to that gun before asking here. Is the original round very similar in size to 9mm?

April 10, 2008, 11:55 PM
According to "Military Small Arms of the 20th Century" written by Ian V. Hogg and John S. Weeks (7th Edition),
"During WW1 the German authorities soon realized that they were in desperate need of small arms of every description, and that it would be most useful if the c/96 pistol could be made available in 9mm Parabellum. As a result of investigations made in mid-1915 by the Gewehr-Pruefungs-Commisission Mauser began the production of 150,000 c/96 pistols in the desired caliber..."
So, I'm going to say 1915.

April 11, 2008, 07:22 AM
The Prussian contract for the 9mm C96 called for delivery of 150,000 pistols between 1916-1918. Approximately 137,000 were actually delivered before the end of the war. Not all 1916 contract guns were marked with the red 9 grips. Some had black 9 grips. Some had no 9 at all.

Because the barrel and receiver of the C96 are one piece, the barrel cannot be replaced. The result is that a number of shot out C96's were re-bored after the war to 9mm and fitted with reproduction red 9 grips, making it difficult to identify the real 1916 contract guns.

For lots more information go to http://www.1896mauser.com

April 11, 2008, 08:01 AM
TS537 asked: .................Is the original round very similar in size to 9mm?

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the 9mm cartridge was developed by cutting the bottleneck off of the 7.62X25mm case (the original Broomhandle chambering).


April 11, 2008, 08:56 AM
The Luger was originally chambered in 7.65mm. Several years after production began the factory was asked for a larger calibre weapon. Not wanting to invest in all new tooling the factory simply rebored the existing barrel and 9mm was as large as they could go. So the 9mm wasn't a pre-planned developed, it just happened.

BTW, there were 2 .45 calibre Lugers manufactured for test by the US Army.

April 11, 2008, 08:57 AM
9mm Mauser Export is actually closer to a 7.62 Mauser with the shoulder bottleneck ironed out instead of cut off.
The case is straight walled instead of having the slight taper of the 9mm Parabellum.

Somewhere in my papers I have an old article dealing with making 9mm Mauser Export from 7.62 Mauser brass.

April 18, 2008, 01:32 PM
I have experienced bad accuracy with my cz52 with both wolf and surplus ammo. At 25 yards I cant get better than a 12" group and the sights are set about a foot too low. I'm a pretty decent shooter so I'm kinda dissapointed.
These guns usually get better accuracy than that dont they?
Do you think a new barrel would help?

April 18, 2008, 07:53 PM
Some Chinese versions were made in .45acp.

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