Have a Gun?Lose your Drivers License and Your Car:Only in Canada


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Winchester 73
April 11, 2008, 02:58 AM
Ontario to consider new tool to curb gun violence without Ottawa's help

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/080409/n0409102A.html

Published: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 | 9:50 PM ET

TORONTO - Ontario will consider adopting a proposal to strip drivers of their licences and vehicles if they're caught with illegal firearms as a potential new tool to combat gun violence, Transportation Minister Jim Bradley said Wednesday.

The private member's bill, introduced by former Liberal cabinet minister Mike Colle, would allow police to suspend driver's licences and impound vehicles for seven days if they have "reasonable and probable grounds" that the driver has an illegal gun in the vehicle.

If passed, the bill could provide Ontario - which has been frustrated by Ottawa's rejection of a total handgun ban - with the means to take matters into its own hands.

Bradley offered no promises, but said he'd talk to his cabinet colleagues about the bill to see if it complies with the province's law-making powers.

"I've undertaken to speak to the attorney general about this and the minister of community safety to determine whether there is a role that the province can play and whether this particular bill would be one area that we can use," he said.

Bills from backbenchers like Colle - who resigned from cabinet last year when it was revealed that his department gave $32.4 million in grants to multicultural groups with no oversight procedures - rarely become law unless they're adopted as government legislation.

But without a national ban on handguns, Ontario's hands are tied, Premier Dalton McGuinty indicated earlier in the day.

"We'll take a look at what more that we might do, but obviously when the feds have got responsibility for criminal law, there are some severe restrictions in terms of how far we can go and what we can do," he said.

Colle's bill is similar to legislation that allows the province to crack down on speed racing, but it may be treading on some tricky legal ground.

The province has already passed laws that allow police to seize vehicles involved in speed racing, said Attorney General Chris Bentley. But it can't intrude on federal powers to create criminal laws.

"The most effective tool here (would be) a national ban on handguns," Bentley said.

"The feds could do it instantly and then we have the tools that we need. In the meantime, we'll do whatever will be effective in promoting community safety."

Opposition parties warned the proposal would create a false sense of security, when the Liberals should be taking steps to hire more police officers and provide them with the resources they need to fight gun crime.

"Trust me, the drug dealer with the illegal handgun could care less about losing his or her driver's licence," said NDP justice critic Peter Kormos.

"The public doesn't want to see these people have their cars detained - they want to see these people detained. They want to see these people charged and prosecuted and locked up."

The real problem is a justice system that doesn't impose stiff enough penalties for those charged with weapons offences, said Opposition Leader Bob Runciman, who denounced the bill as "meaningless rhetoric."

"I think it's a joke," he said. "I think Mr. Colle has too much time on his hands. He's missing out on being part of the action as a member of cabinet."

Under Colle's bill, drivers who have their vehicles seized and licences suspended would also face a fine of up to $10,000 and up to six months in jail. Drivers could also lose their licence for a year on a first offence and five years for a second offence. If they offend a third time, they'd lose their licence for good.

In March, Bentley and Community Safety and Corrections Minister Rick Bartolucci pressed Ottawa for a total handgun ban as part of the province's four-point plan to reduce gun violence, which also includes stronger border security, more police and community investment.

But federal Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day has repeatedly resisted those demands, arguing that the weapons are already effectively banned with only a few exceptions.

Toronto Mayor David Miller, who has long called for a handgun ban, said incidents of gun violence can't be fully addressed without a total ban.

"I think any legislation that treats the illegal ownership of a gun as extremely serious will help public safety," he said.

Miller launched an online petition Monday calling on the federal Conservatives to ban all handguns. As of Wednesday morning, it had 16,000 signatures, he said.

"I think there's real potential for Parliament to act," Miller said. "But in the meantime, cities and provinces aren't going to wait. We care too deeply about public safety."

He's expected to deliver the online petition to Parliament in June.

© The Canadian Press, 2008

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Beagle-zebub
April 11, 2008, 01:01 PM
The private member's bill, introduced by former Liberal cabinet minister Mike Colle, would allow police to suspend driver's licences and impound vehicles for seven days if they have "reasonable and probable grounds" that the driver has an illegal gun in the vehicle.


"America is the only country in the industrialized world to give such a barbaric entitlement to due process."

ServiceSoon
April 11, 2008, 01:53 PM
What is the point? Now people are going to be driving without licences. Are they going to have random drivers licences check points throughout the country?

Rugerlvr
April 11, 2008, 02:47 PM
Not to rain on anybody's parade or anything, but Canada isn't the USA. They have no 2nd Amendment in their constitution. Unfortunately they can disarm their citizens in any way they see fit, as disgusting as it is.

Honu
April 11, 2008, 03:36 PM
a bit dramatic of a title ?

its for ILLEGAL guns !!! not just any guns


I say good in some ways but also put them in jail for a few years !!!!

I dont break laws or have illegal guns
if they would take these punk gang members here in the states when they get caught with stolen guns and actually do something !!! that would be good
take away the car and seize it ! take away the license take away their freedom for a few years

xjchief
April 11, 2008, 03:42 PM
Not to rain on anybody's parade or anything, but Canada isn't the USA. They have no 2nd Amendment in their constitution. Unfortunately they can disarm their citizens in any way they see fit, as disgusting as it is.

Who needs an amendment to exercise their god given rights? ;)

Kacerdias
April 11, 2008, 03:42 PM
Honu, there are a couple of problems with supporting this kind of draconian measure -

1. It won't stop crime. At all. Criminals by definition do not follow laws.

2. What's to stop another law making your now legal guns illegal in the future? Do you want your car impounded and your license taken away with the stroke of a pen?

Seems that these sorts of misguided "tough measures" are fine so long as *you* aren't the one bitten by them.

Winchester 73
April 11, 2008, 03:53 PM
a bit dramatic of a title ?


Drama is the spice of life,Honu!:)
Now my titles are being scrutinized!:uhoh:

frankie_the_yankee
April 11, 2008, 06:19 PM
In Canada, almost all handguns are illegal.

Winchester 73
April 11, 2008, 06:25 PM
In Canada, almost all handguns are illegal.

Thank you,Frankie.:D
Honu,take note.:D
Less drama now,sadly.:D

Guitargod1985
April 11, 2008, 06:32 PM
Who needs an amendment to exercise their god given rights?

^ This.

Honu
April 11, 2008, 10:03 PM
my wife is from Canada :) have lots of friends up there so familiar with it for sure

dramatic titles can be good

1. It won't stop crime. At all. Criminals by definition do not follow laws.
I would not say at all ? those on the edge might think twice about guns ? if they know they go away for X years
but yup agree the hardcore wont care one bit ! but I do think it might stop some ?
the problem is the system does not put them away its easier to pick on the weak which are the law abiding ones !

2. What's to stop another law making your now legal guns illegal in the future? Do you want your car impounded and your license taken away with the stroke of a pen
nothing ? but I am not a criminal and I dont live in canada and I dont carry illegal guns ?
so whats stopping anyone from anything ?

I say if any criminal is caught with a gun 20 years in prison then I do think many would not bother as much or at least after a short bit many of them could be off the streets ?
but you will get those that dont care

I am all for my rights but I am sick of how the criminals never get in trouble
why are these people out with 30 priors etc..

so the drug dealer that does not care ? sure but if they actually took away the car and put him in prison for X years and actually did it ! well then he will care and the low level ones might not bother since its not worth it

criminals in general play the odds if its worth it same reason they tend not to attack targets they know will defend themselves !

JCF
April 12, 2008, 01:15 AM
In Canada, almost all handguns are illegal.

Seriously? Did they change the law again?

When I left, a number of years ago, they had strict registration, but you could still own virtually any kind of handgun. I was actually surprised at how restrictive CA was.

How I do not miss Canada.

gego
April 12, 2008, 01:35 AM
In Canada the right to defend one's life is illegal. The government will do it for you, don't you know.

These turkeys never did quite break from being ruled by the King of England, so who really wants to listen to a bunch of chicken poops who don't have the balls to be free men.

I say they get the freedom they fought or fight for and that is a paltry sum if you look at history.

JCF
April 12, 2008, 01:42 AM
In Canada the right to defend one's life is illegal. The government will do it for you, don't you know.

Yeah... that's always been priceless. You have NO legal right to self defense in Canada. It is illegal for a private citizen to have a loaded weapon in any location where it is illegal to discharge it under normal circumstances (read your home).

There was an incident many years ago in the city where I resided wherein a gentleman interrupted two burglars in his home. They attacked him, and he defended himself with a machete from his garage. He either severed a burglar's arm, or inflicted injuries sufficiently grave that the arm had to be amputated. The guy got 10 years if I'm not mistaken; very considerably more time than either burglar.

Did I mention I don't miss Canada?

JCMAG
April 12, 2008, 03:42 AM
As unfortunate as it is for our brothers in the north, they must fight their own battles.

And I hope they do fight and fight them well, because Tyranny is contagious and we are only an invisible line away...

Elza
April 12, 2008, 05:21 AM
Ontario will consider adopting a proposal to strip drivers of their licences and vehicles if they're caught with illegal firearms as a potential new tool to combat gun violence, Transportation Minister Jim Bradley said Wednesday.Now there’s an idea! That’ll stop those gangbangers and criminals from having illegal weapons.

Oh! Wait a minute. Gangbangers and criminals steal their cars…… Never mind!

langenc
April 12, 2008, 09:04 PM
Makes me more certain NOT to visit Canada. As a non-resident a cartridge and/or cartride case would most likely net the same sentence. NO No NO

romma
April 12, 2008, 11:46 PM
Geez, I don't walk out my door without a gun firmly planted on my hip, or in my pocket. Thank Heavens I don't live in Canada!

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