Is there a place worse than the PRK?


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Gewehr98
January 12, 2003, 02:44 PM
Reason I ask, is that I'm getting preliminary information that I'll have an assignment to the Pentagon fairly soon. So, as I leave the safety of Florida, do I send entire collection to parents in Wisconsin for the duration, or are there some gun-friendly suburbs and firing ranges in Virginia and the DC-commuting area? (Depends if I take base housing, too) Bummer. :(

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Yohan
January 12, 2003, 02:50 PM
what does PRK stand for?

JeepDriver
January 12, 2003, 02:51 PM
In Northern Virginia you should be fine, even in southern maryland, providing none of your handguns were made after 12-31-02.

cosmos7
January 12, 2003, 02:51 PM
New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington D.C.

Gewehr98
January 12, 2003, 02:54 PM
People's Republic of **********.

Alternatively described as: The People's Democratic Republic of **********

or The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of **********

I note that even the residents, when posting here, use the PRK location descriptor. That says something. I left Sacramento after 10 years, in a big hurry with a gun collection that would've become illegal there once January 1, 2000 rolled around.

Redlg155
January 12, 2003, 03:02 PM
I've also taken it to mean "Peoples Replublic of **********".

Bummer you have to move up North. I'm glad I'm out the Military these days. I'd be pissed if I had to go somewhere I couldn't take my guns.

Good Shooting
RED

KY Moose
January 12, 2003, 03:10 PM
I think living in Virginia is the best choice of the surrounding area. I have heard the housing in Alexandria and nearby communities are pretty pricey.

If you don't mind the drive, look to the east of Alexandria Virginia. Property is a little cheeper if you go 40-70 miles to the east of the Metro area.

MikeK
January 12, 2003, 03:30 PM
Virginia is your only choice. As pointed out earlier the N. VA burbs are real expensive. The longer a commute you can stand the more affordable the housing. Traffic is a b***h all over N. VA. I keep meaning to make it to one of Mike Irwin's shoots down there. Maybe the next one.

SodaPop
January 12, 2003, 03:44 PM
Your gonna be in SodaPop's neck of the woods if you move to the DC area. Delaware is a very good State to live in, also. Pennsylvania is a little far: 1hr 45minutes.

beemerb
January 12, 2003, 03:48 PM
HELL But not totaly sure of that.
:)
Just had to do that
Bob

Blackhawk
January 12, 2003, 03:56 PM
Many places I've been to are worse.

Sounds like you and Virginia, but I'd be inclined to put your collection in secure storage until you get settled.

Mike Irwin
January 13, 2003, 03:53 AM
Pity I'm not looking for a roommate anymore, Gew. I'm less than 12 miles from the Pentagon right on Route 50.

Cal4D4
January 13, 2003, 04:11 AM
Hey beemerb of Arizona....

Hell is probably the next step down from Kali. How hot are YOUR summers?:D

rick458
January 13, 2003, 05:49 AM
Lets see
Lesser Britain, Australia, Germany, France, Italy
Oh Heck All of Europe, Mexico.
lots of places worse (gun law wise ) than PRK
Politics wise I would doubt it from all I've read:what:

Sidetracker
January 13, 2003, 07:36 AM
The Peoples Democratic Republic of Illinois.

El Tejon
January 13, 2003, 08:18 AM
Worse than PRK? Sure, Chicago or DC!

Dave P
January 13, 2003, 09:31 AM
GW - if you have to move, are you going to have a garage sale first? Give me a shout!

J Miller
January 13, 2003, 11:37 AM
The Peoples Democratic Republic of Illinois.

All of it. There is NO legal cary at all in Illinois. Beware of those who tout the so called fanny pack loop holes, they will just get you arrested.
The new governor of IL is a rabid communist anti gunner that is in Daly's pocket. He plans on passing many gun laws that will make PRK's look like childs games.

I'm leaving IL as soon as I can arrange escape. I suggest you or anyone who is a sportsman, or just a shoot, to stay out of here.

homeka45
January 13, 2003, 06:44 PM
Hawaii. No concealed carry,no hi-caps grandfathered or not, no class III weapons. Not even ammo or rifles in wally world! Democrats have been in power for a long time.

cuchulainn
January 13, 2003, 08:33 PM
Florida vs. Virginia

Florida has a handgun waiting period, but Virginia does not -- you'll be improving there.

Florida allows counties to impose longer waiting periods and such, Virginia does not -- you'll be improving there.

Virginia has a one-gun-a-month law, Florida does not -- you'll be getting worse there.

Both have shall issue CCW -- no difference there.

Neither have registration -- no difference there.

Neither have licensing or "permit to buy" -- no difference there.



If you don't mind the drive, look to the east of Alexandria Virginia. Property is a little cheeper if you go 40-70 miles to the east of the Metro area. East of Alexandria is Maryland. The Potomac goes pretty much due-south at Alexandria

FWIW, Maryland is the only state to get a full A from the Brady Campaign. California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey all got A-. So using Brady Campaign, Maryland is worse than PRK.

http://www.greaterwashington.org/images/site/jurisdiction_map.gif

alan
January 13, 2003, 09:02 PM
Most definately, any number of them. Consider this, even if you currently live there.

If you should want to move, and go elsewhere, all you need to is to pack up, and go. Put the house up for sale if you are so situated, or just leave the apartment.

Other places might require permission from "the government" to move, permission which might or might not be granted.

4v50 Gary
January 13, 2003, 09:12 PM
I thought New Jersey & Massachusetts are both bad.

Rebeldon
January 13, 2003, 09:20 PM
I understand that Marxachusetts and Nazi Jersey are worse than PRK.

blades67
January 13, 2003, 09:52 PM
Yes. One is where you're going, another is Hawai'i. http://www.1911forum.com/forums/images/smilies/pukehead.gif

Uncle Ethan
January 13, 2003, 10:02 PM
I'm feeling better and better about living in the PRK. Someday I want to move to New Mexico or Texas. When I grow up I want to be like Art Eatman.:D

Mal H
January 13, 2003, 10:18 PM
cuchulainn - Correction to your list:
"Florida allows counties to impose longer waiting periods and such, Virginia does not -- you'll be improving there."

Counties in VA also have different waiting periods. Fairfax County has a waiting period whereas most of the counties west and south have no waiting period. Most [smart] Fairfax residents travel a few miles for their handgun purchases so they can walk out with them the same day they buy them. So your list is even more of a break-even between FL and VA.

cuchulainn
January 13, 2003, 10:38 PM
Mal H
Fair enough, but if we really want to get correct, Virginia counties cannot pass waiting periods due to a preemption law, but Fairfax's was passed prior to the state law and got grandfathered.

MessedUpMike
January 13, 2003, 10:50 PM
If your based in Md, then the drive fron Va will be a daily ritual of hell without bounds. Most of Marylands laws make it almost impossible to get a CCW, but are otherwise just intended to STRONGLY discourage new purchases. I doubt you have aquired (yet) any handguns manufactured after 12/31/02 so that's not the most difficult issue. There are only a few Semi auto long arems "regulated" in the state, and that regulation simply makes there purchase as much of a pain as buying a handgun. Incidently H-Bar AR-15 are not regulated in the state so that gets you around that. Most Md laws are also easily defeated by proir ownership, and "Gifts" from out of state relatives. Va. is buy far much superior to Md. in regards to gun laws, but the price you pay is in your insane taxes, cost of living and BOHICA levels of traffic.

cuchulainn
January 13, 2003, 11:46 PM
Virginia is better crime-wise.


Taxes

State income tax -- irrelevant: as on duty military, you pay state income tax to your home state (which for you is $0 as a Fla resident).

Sales tax -- Virginia (4.5%) is better than Maryland (5%).

Real estate tax -- Maryland is typically better, but if you live in military housing or rent, that will be irrelevant too.

Gewehr98
January 14, 2003, 12:24 AM
(May have to sell my Krinkov here in FL otherwise...)

Unfortunately, I'll have little, if any, say in my employment situation. Not real easy for me to just "pack up and go" as alan alludes to. It's the last 3 years of my military career before retirement, I don't want to throw it away based on running afoul of some gun laws in a different state.

Not that I'm real keen on getting a Pentagon assignment. Kind of like the mythical elephant graveyard.

Fed168
January 14, 2003, 12:28 AM
AFAIK, Class III is okay. I would suggest living in the western part of Fairfax and taking the metro. I did this for a year while working in DC, worked out pretty good.

cheygriz
January 14, 2003, 12:39 AM
Is the "Peoples' Socialist Republik of Kalifornicate" actually any worse than "The Soviet Socialist Republik of Taxachusetts?"

Inquiring minds want to know!

Bostonterrier97
January 14, 2003, 01:07 AM
Places Gunowners don't want to move to

Washington D.C.
New York City
Chicago

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New Jersey
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts (by popular demand...drat! I knew I forgot something! )
California

In that order.

On the other Hand some States which can be considered to be slices of Heaven..

Vermont
Idaho
Kentucky
Arizona

cheygriz
January 14, 2003, 01:18 AM
BT

What about Massachusetts?

Tady45
January 14, 2003, 01:49 AM
NO!! our Governor passed more gun laws than all Govs in the US combined the past 4 years. The only pistol grip rifles I see in this state lately, are in the movies...





Larry :cuss:

Poodleshooter
January 14, 2003, 12:23 PM
How about Class III NFA weapons in Virginia?
Silencers, AOW's and full auto are all legal in VA. There are a one or two banned items, such as the Streetsweeper. I'm not sure about DD's. All Title II stuff has to be registered with state police, as well as BATF. Some ranges limit full auto use. Plenty of places to shoot in VA, and we have good gunshows in the state capital. Rules for concealed carry are probably similar to FL. Check www.packing.org for differences. Our permit is cheap-can not exceed $50.

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