New York State Republican Proposes Sweeping Weapons Ban:Evil Pen Knives Included


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Winchester 73
April 11, 2008, 08:44 PM
It's not just Democrat's and Socialist's we have to worry about.This sinks to the grassroots level with anti-freedom politicians of all stripes.
It's maddening ,but these folks simply cannot grasp this so obvious fact:Criminals and people hell bently intent on harm follow no signs,rules or regulations.
Is there anyway to get this through to these "feel good" individuals?:banghead:

http://www.syracuse.com/poststandard/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1207817907261950.xml&coll=1

County to vote on weapons ban
Legislators to decide if it will be a crime to carry guns and knives in county buildings.
Thursday, April 10, 2008
By Charles McChesney
Staff writer
Come Friday, it could be a crime to bring weapons of any kind into buildings owned or rented by Oswego County government.

County legislators are scheduled to vote on a measure to ban carrying rifles, shotguns, pistols imitation pistols, explosives, debilitating chemicals or gases and knives.

The law also would ban items such as scissors and penknives that could be used as weapons.

But guns are the target of the law, said County Clerk George Williams.

Williams, who is also the chairman of the county Republican committee, has been a proponent for the law that he said would help protect county employees.

Three times in the past year, Williams said, employees of his office have had to deal with guns or the threat of violence.

In April 2007, Laurie Krul, the index clerk who handles pistol permits at the county building in Oswego, was confronted by a pistol permit holder who set a .38 caliber SIG-Sauer handgun on the counter in front of her desk.

When she asked the man to remove the gun, he refused. "He told me he could carry it wherever he wanted," she said. Krul said she asked four times before the man agreed and put the gun away.

"There's no reason for people to bring a pistol in with them," Williams said. He said applicants need to bring in only paperwork, not guns, when adding

or removing guns from their permits.

In May, 2007 police were called to the clerk's Department of Motor Vehicles office in Fulton when a disgruntled customer told someone waiting in line that he was going to get a gun and come back in to shoot the workers, Williams said.

Two months later a similar incident, also with no gun involved, occurred at the DMV office in Pulaski, Williams said. Again, police were called.

"I am more concerned about the handguns," Williams said, "because it's happened before and we've been threatened."

Similar weapons bans were passed in the 1990s in other New York counties. The original draft of the proposed Oswego County law dates back to 1993.

The goal of the law is to create "a safer place for our employees to work," said Legislature Chairman Barry Leemann, R-Amboy. He said an amendment would cover any tools that county employees use at work that might be seen as weapons.

A gun owner himself, Leemann said "I don't see any place for a gun in the county building."

Along with county buildings, the law would ban weapons anywhere on the grounds of Camp Hollis, the county's youth camp.

While the measure passed unanimously in committee, it may have some opposition in the 25-member Legislature. Legislator James Bryant, R-Constantia, said he was opposed. "We're getting to be like Democrats," he said, "passing more laws." Pistol permit holders have to go through a monthslong screening process, he said. "For us to decide 'you can't carry it,' is ludicrous."

Legislature Minority Leader Michael Kunzwiler, D-Oswego, said he wanted to hear first what county residents said at a public hearing on the law that is scheduled to be held just before tonight's 7 p.m. meeting. Then, he said, he wants to hear about plans and costs for implementation.

Leemann said there were no plans to search bags for scissors or penknives. "We're not going to go through purses," he said. Instead, signs would be posted at entrances to county buildings and the law would be used only when a weapon of some kind showed up "in a threatening manner," he said.

Surrogate Judge John J. Elliott, the county's pistol licensing officer, backs the weapons ban. After the April 2007 incident at the clerk's office, Elliott wrote, "I was simply astounded to find that we have no local law or ordinance prohibiting the carrying of firearms in our 'public' buildings."

Elliott, running for re-election to his seat on the bench, offered to speak in favor of the bill this evening, Leemann said.

Contact Charles McChesney at cmcchesney@syracuse.com or 592-7140

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Zoogster
April 11, 2008, 08:54 PM
In May, 2007 police were called to the clerk's Department of Motor Vehicles office in Fulton when a disgruntled customer told someone waiting in line that he was going to get a gun and come back in to shoot the workers, Williams said.

Two months later a similar incident, also with no gun involved, occurred at the DMV office in Pulaski, Williams said. Again, police were called.

"I am more concerned about the handguns," Williams said, "because it's happened before and we've been threatened."
Brilliant! Then if they actualy do go and get a gun and come back nobody else will be armed! I see the logic there. Lets be sure to make it illegal for someone willing to commit multiple murders subjecting them to life in prison or the death penalty to enter the building with the gun. I am sure the deterent of the more minor charge will stop thier decision to commit murder.
:rolleyes:

"We're not going to go through purses," he said. Instead, signs would be posted at entrances to county buildings and the law would be used only when a weapon of some kind showed up "in a threatening manner," he said.
Oh that is wonderful! So nobody will be inconvenienced if they merely ignore the law or break it. However if for any reason someone is seen or found to have a weapon for any reason, even because of something unrelated they can be charged at will.
That sounds like an American way to do things! :rolleyes: Make everyone a criminal, and then just use discretion on enforcing it.
Reminds me of the philosophy of some third world nations.
"Oh don't worry about breaking our all encompassing law, we probably won't enforce it unless we feel like it".

You know you can get the same treatment south of the border if you have money or good connections. Perhaps this guy spends a little too much time down there?

Standing Wolf
April 11, 2008, 09:58 PM
After the April 2007 incident at the clerk's office, Elliott wrote, "I was simply astounded to find that we have no local law or ordinance prohibiting the carrying of firearms in our 'public' buildings."

Probably no law against Jews and blacks yet, either. First things first, I guess.

S4Lee
April 11, 2008, 10:10 PM
Leemann said there were no plans to search bags for scissors or penknives. "We're not going to go through purses," he said. Instead, signs would be posted at entrances to county buildings and the law would be used only when a weapon of some kind showed up "in a threatening manner," he said.

So, why not just have laws against showing a weapon in a threatening manner? Maybe they could call it 'brandishing' or maybe 'menacing'?:rolleyes:

MilsurpShooter
April 11, 2008, 11:30 PM
Don't forget about Bill 6525A, create new sales and reporting requirements for licensed firearms dealers and require dealers to carry a minimum of $1,000,000 of liability insurance.

Bill 7331, expand the ban on semi-automatic “assault weapons”, as well as require the ballistic registration of all semi-automatic assault weapons

Bill 2772, ban the sale, use or possession of any firearm with a bore diameter .50 caliber or larger. This bill would require gun owners in possession of these firearms to surrender them to law enforcement.

Bill 829, prohibit the sale of any handgun that doesn’t contain a childproofing device or mechanism incorporated into the design of the handgun.

Bill 76, require the mandatory storage of all firearms.

Bill 3447, ban the sale or possession of frangible ammunition.

Bill 9543, purchasers of antique firearms would be required to undergo a background check.

71Commander
April 12, 2008, 07:48 AM
I really believe that democrats from the SE are more conservative that Republicans from the NE.:eek:

I can't think of any decent NE politico.

Im283
April 12, 2008, 09:27 AM
Wouldn't we all love to be able to corner one of these politcians and confront them about these feel good laws and bills they propose. I for one would love to hear first hand from their mouths what good these laws will do. And hear their explanations as to why criminals will pay attention to these laws.

I mean just one time I would like this to happen.

romma
April 12, 2008, 09:47 AM
I really believe that democrats from the SE are more conservative that Republicans from the NE.
It's a regional thing. I know in CT, our republicans are fairly conservative.

Back on topic, I can't believe these people think that if someone wants to shoot someone, they are going to pay attention to a "no guns" sign.

Robert Hairless
April 12, 2008, 05:53 PM
I guess that no one else is as horrified as we are by the homicidal tendencies of people in New York State.

When I see them in restaurants eating with knives and forks I think "Who knows what could trigger any of those insane people into a rampage in which many other diners might be murdered." There they sit, looking as calm and controlled as other people in the world, but they drink cocktails and sip wines throughout their meals, flashing their weapons without a care in the world, suppressing their inhibitions with the drugs they imbibe.

I shudder when I realize that they are permitted to own scissors and knives and dangerous chemicals in their homes. What of their children who might be stabbed and then decapitated or incinerated or poisoned by those barbaric instruments and materials. Does nobody care about those children? Have we lost all decency?

It is high time that New York's legislators took a firm stand against allowing their maniacal constituents to have access to such dangerous weapons. Let them rip their food apart with teeth and fingers, deny them access to alcohol, ban scissors of all kinds, and then prohibit them the use of dangerous machinery and even more dangerous materials for making bombs.

Turn off the gas pumps, confiscate the self-propelled motorized vehicles, disconnect the electricity, close the borders, and confine the lunatics of New York State so they cannot escape to do harm to the civilized world outside. Or send them to Illinois.

alsaqr
April 12, 2008, 06:30 PM
"It's a regional thing. I know in CT, our republicans are fairly conservative."

Yep, Chris Dodd and Joe Lieberman are fine examples of conservatism.

plexreticle
April 12, 2008, 06:36 PM
When will Americans learn that Democrat or Republican it's all the same bs.

If Democrats win this time is McCain gonna switch back?

Mr White
April 12, 2008, 07:58 PM
Will they be going from office-to-office in stormtrooper fashion consfiscating scissors, penknives, protractors, pointy pencils and staplers already in the illegal posession of those lawless county employees?

plexreticle
April 12, 2008, 08:10 PM
Will they be going from office-to-office in stormtrooper fashion consfiscating scissors, penknives, protractors, pointy pencils and staplers already in the illegal posession of those lawless county employees?

No they just wait until you go through airport security.

Noxx
April 12, 2008, 08:27 PM
Since when does Sig make a .38?

Winchester 73
April 13, 2008, 01:29 AM
It's a regional thing. I know in CT, our republicans are fairly conservative."

Yep, Chris Dodd and Joe Lieberman are fine examples of conservatism.

Neither Chris or Joe have ever been Republicans!
Joe doesn't know what he is right now,but it's sure not GOP!

Winchester 73
April 13, 2008, 01:34 AM
Since when does Sig make a .38?

Since here:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/product.php?productid=898

romma
April 13, 2008, 09:43 AM
Yep, Chris Dodd and Joe Lieberman are fine examples of conservatism

What? Neither of these people are Republican... :rolleyes:

v35
April 13, 2008, 11:09 AM
Let them rip their food apart with teeth and fingers,No! Evil teeth must be prohibited in public buildings! Ban teeth... and fingers!
http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Teeth.jpg
(384 pounds of gold teeth (http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Teeth.jpg) removed from concentration camp victims. Couldn't find a photo of severed ring fingers)

dalepres
April 13, 2008, 01:16 PM
Will they be going from office-to-office in stormtrooper fashion consfiscating scissors, penknives, protractors, pointy pencils and staplers already in the illegal posession of those lawless county employees?

Not a government office, but they did that where I work.... Because one employee out of thousands put her hand in her desk drawer and poked it onto an uncovered Exacto knife. Now no more staple removers (It seems to be way more dangerous trying to remove staples with your teeth or fingernails), only kindergarten approved scissors. Nothing sharp allowed in the company.

northerner97
November 29, 2008, 07:02 PM
Saner heads prevailed and the proposed Oswego County,NY gun ban has died a natural death in committee
---one who was there/life NRA member

BBQLS1
November 30, 2008, 09:19 PM
Why not make it a crime with stiff penalties for threat of lethal force on a county worker? That would actually fix the concern right?

71Commander
November 30, 2008, 09:23 PM
Why not make it a crime with stiff penalties for threat of lethal force on a county worker? That would actually fix the concern right?

Why should county workers be special?

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