[Chipperman]

Was thinking about cartridge nomenclature the other day. Is there any other cartridges that goes by as many names as the 9mm? Some are slang, but most are considered legit names for it.

9mm
9x19
9mm Parabellum
9mm Luger
9 mike mike
Niner
etc.

[Mike Irwin]

Well, a couple of those are recognized as pretty much standard nomenclature, but a couple are just slang...

Edited -- I forgot a couple.


But, I'd give you the .380 Auto...

.380 ACP
.380 ACPH
.380 Colt
9mm Corto
9mm Browning Short
9x17 (another geezer moment!)
9mm Kurz

[Dorrin79]

Mike - not to nitpick, but I think you meant 9x17, not 9x18, as an alternate for the .380 ACP

9x18 is 9mm Makarov

[Mike Irwin]

Good catch, Dorrin.

You're absolutely correct.

[.45Ruger]

I can add one During my CCW class the instructor referred to all 9x19 as .380 magnum. He was one of the it's a .45 or it's nothing guys.

[Andrew Wyatt]

I like the .380 magnum. :)

[JohnKSa]

9mm
9x19
9mm Parabellum
9mm NATO
9mm Luger
9mmP
9mm Luger (Parabellum)--this shows up on most U.S. made ammo boxes.
9mm x 19 Parabellum --this is what Ruger calls it frequently in their manuals.
9mm x 19mm Parabellum is H&K's name for it.

I think that it's also called 9mm Military or something equivalent in some countries.

I guess you could argue that 9mm+P and 9mm+P+ are also valid designations for the 9mm round.

Some of those are just different combinations of a few basic designations.

Mike,

9mm Corto, 9mm Short and 9mm Kurz are really all the same name--just in different languages...

I've seen 9mm Browning but never 9mm Browning Short--you've got me curious. 9mm Browning Short would imply there is a 9mm Browning Long? Is there such a critter?

[Mike Irwin]

"9mm Corto, 9mm Short and 9mm Kurz are really all the same name--just in different languages..."

REALLY? I'd never have guessed! :)

When you get right down to it, ALL of the names are just in different "languages."

The metric designation is a mathematical universal designation.

9mm Corto is Spanish.

9mm Kurz is German.

9mm Short/Browning Short is the English version of it.

.380, .380 ACP and .380 ACPH are the American versions.

Yet they all refer to the same thing.

As for the 9mm Browning Long, yes there was such a cartridge. Developed for the FN Model 1903, and popular in Europe, but never here.

It was the official military sidearm/cartridge in Sweden starting around 1907 until the 9mm Lahti was adopted.

The case is a bit shorter than the .38 Auto/.38 Super Auto case.

[Moparmike]

Huh. I thought the 9x23 would be the .380 mag. [shrug]

Everyone knows that a true .380 mag is a 155mm round necked down to .380.:D

[mete]

To confuse things even more there was the 9mm Bayard long, 9mm steyr, and the 9mm Mauser. The Mauser round was one of the original rounds for the M96 Mauser and has the same case length as the 7.63 Mauser.

[Mikul]

9mm NATO

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

For us big-bore fanatics, we have the disparaging version, naturally:


"Nine Sillymeter."

Couldn't resist, even though everyone else did. How diplomatic of you.

;)

[M67]

I guess you could argue that 9mm+P and 9mm+P+ are also valid designations for the 9mm round. Isn't that just another language thing, an American designation for ammo loaded to European standards?

[Mike Irwin]

I think the point that everyone is beginning to miss, the point that Chipperman originally wanted to make, is that a single cartridge can have NUMEROUS accepted aliases.

It's more a case of aliases rather than "formal" names.

Often you'll see these names combined on one box of ammunition, depending on the source.

Over the years I've seen...

9mm NATO Luger
9x19 Parabellum
9x19 Luger
9x19 Luger Parabellum
9mm Luger Parabellum
9mm Parabellum
9mm Parabellum +P

You name it, there are variations for it.

But no matter what, each conveys an important bit of information -- the identity of the cartridge.

That's where I think things such as 9mm +P and 9mm +P+ start to fall down, or move into very hazy territory. They run the risk of not being distinct enough to positively identify the cartridge at hand.

[Dave R]

What was C.R. Sam's old signature?

"My favorite 9mm is the 9X23R"

Cooper has referred to the 9mm as simply "the Parabellum". As in "The hoodlum received 3 rounds to the chest, then drove to the Hospital and walked in for treatment. Once again we see the deficiency of the Parabellum"

[Chipperman]

So it looks like 9mm and .380 are about the same in number.
Most of the other cartridges I can think of have two or three, but not as many as those.

[C.R.Sam]

"My favorite 9mm is the 9X23R"

Yup.

[Brian Williams]

Is that 9x23R or 9x32R

The 357 has a few
The Magnum
ThreeFiveSeven
357maggie
9x32R
357 Smith & Wesson Magnum
357 Magnum (as on colt revolvers)

[blkbrd666]

Huh, no one mentioned "9mm CAP" or "gatfood".

[nyggis]

Don´t forget the infamous Swedish 9mm m/39B "copkiller" sub machine gun ammo... Extra thick steel jacketed bullet in front of a hot powder load...

http://www.amkat.se/index.php?Env=Ammo&Menu_A=30&Menu_B=40&Menu_C=10&Menu_Value_A=9x19&Menu_Value_B=Ball&Menu_Name=Ball

[Titan6]

Where is the French 9mm Revolver round? There are few failures bigger than that one.

[Duke of Doubt]

Heck, 10.4x38 Vetterli sometimes goes by .41 Swiss in this country.

7,92 m/m Mauser also goes by 7.92x57 and 8mm Mauser, as well as other names.

[Suicide*Ride]

And let's not forget the 9mm MAGNUM! (357Sig)

[jakk280rem]

And let's not forget the 9mm MAGNUM! (357Sig)

if the 357sig is the 9mm mag, does that make the 9x25dillon the 9mm maximum?

[Vonderek]

Actually, 9mm would be more like .355 Magnum.

[Auburn1992]

I think the .45 Colt goes by a few.

.45 Long
.45 Long Colt
.45 Colt,

Sure there's more but that's all I can think of ATM.

[Oyeboten]

9x23mmSR ( aka .38 ACP )


9x19mmR ( aka .38 S & W )


9x26mmR ( aka .38 Long Colt )

[JImbothefiveth]

.410

[Oyeboten]

9x63mmR ( aka .38-55 WCF, or, 38-55 Winchester )

[azhunter122]

.380 magnum haha!

[MachIVshooter]

And let's not forget the 9mm MAGNUM! (357Sig)

The 9mm (Winchester) Magnum is a whole different animal. I guess you could call it the 9x29mm, but whatever name you choose, it is NOT the .357 Sig.

[Tommygunn]

.44WCF aka .44-40 aka .44-40-200

[Medusa]

Don´t forget the infamous Swedish 9mm m/39B "copkiller" sub machine gun ammo... Extra thick steel jacketed bullet in front of a hot powder load...

That's some fun stuff, I shoot it out of the CZ75B quite a lot. I figure it would be a pretty hard accomplishment to actually wear out it's barrel.

[unspellable]

In the US, if you buy a box of 9 mm it will say 9 mm Luger on the box. Now the oddity is that if there is any one name it doesn't deserve, it's 9 mm Luger. For some reason I have not been able to find out, some bright boy decided the SAAMI spec for the maximum OAL should be identical to the original DWM minimum OAL. The Luger magazine is sensitive to the cartridge length and that's the actual cause behind all the urban myths about the Luger's unreliability. The ammo is OUT of spec! (Anmd no, it doesn't need hot loads!) Why would any one decide to shorten it? This reduces powder room, raises pressure, etc., all to no purpose except to make sure the Luger has feeding problems. All the US made guns chambered for the 9 mm back in those days were based on the Colt platform which hand plenty of room to handle the original OAL spec.

[lanternlad1]

I was in a gun shop when a gang-banger type came in and asked for some "9mo-mo".

The clerk, quick on his feet, told him they were all out of "9mo-mo".

Gangbanger pointed to the 9mm and asked if that wasn't the "9mo-mo".

Clerk replied that it was 9 millimeter, which was totally different from "9mo-mo", and in fact could could cause a gun chambered in "9mo-mo" to explode, killing the user.

Gangbanger left, very confused. I chuckled and told the clerk that wasn't very nice. He replied that the idiot had been in there two days before with some buddies obviously casing the joint, and he wasn't going to be the one responsible for selling ammo to a guy that was obviously planning to rob him.