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Oleg Volk
April 13, 2008, 10:04 PM
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April 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
True but sad I cant carry my pen knife legally outside a locked steel box tecnically but gangs carry m16s and aks

hockeybum
April 13, 2008, 10:14 PM
You outdid yourself again Oleg. Great pic. I like it.

Rachen
April 13, 2008, 10:16 PM
Keep up the good work Oleg!:D

JCMAG
April 13, 2008, 10:23 PM
You're a credit to our cause, my friend. :cool:

The Unknown User
April 13, 2008, 10:26 PM
Why do the police carry guns? Guns aren't the answer.

Just laugh at the criminals. They can't stand it.

Seriously, though, great work, Oleg.

Oleg Volk
April 13, 2008, 10:27 PM
But not to worry, they load those MP5 banana clips backwards!

MaterDei
April 13, 2008, 10:32 PM
He shoots...He scores!

bogie
April 14, 2008, 01:30 AM
I'd move the buzzgun down, and the text pertaining to it up... Separate it from the revolver.

Also, a LOT of folks don't grok the "doesn't equal" symbol - Make it something college students can handle - "Gun Control sucks for Crime Control"

woodybrighton
April 14, 2008, 05:42 AM
like it
piece in the newspaper about the reality of gangs preferred weapon is a kitchen knife:uhoh:
26 dead last year in London most under twenty.
why a kitchen knife cheap disposable and can be cached in numerous places to avoid stop and searches etc

also piece about somebody who stopped to help an assault victim got beaten for there troubles:( as carrying a weapo:(n to make these teenagers back off is illegal

Kitchen_Duty
April 14, 2008, 07:04 AM
Well, maybe when California and the UK fall off the planet maybe we can make a difference until then, we have posters by Oleg, keep up the good work.

NG VI
April 14, 2008, 10:37 AM
I'd move the buzzgun down, and the text pertaining to it up... Separate it from the revolver.


+1 on that, it might be tough for some to understand the disconnect point between the first statement and associated Webley and the second statement and the associated MP-5. A lot of younger/non-gun people will not recognize the Webley as an out-of-service revolver. They will just see "gun! Gun!".

Looks really good though and I like it.

But not to worry, they load those MP5 banana clips backwards!


hahahahaha in basic we had a guy in my company load his rifle with the magazine upside down and backwards, and called a Drill Sergeant to help him figure out why it wouldn't chamber + fire!

VirgilCaine
April 14, 2008, 10:44 AM
The poster looks great, but is that a real MP5? It just looks...cheap.

OEF_VET
April 14, 2008, 10:45 AM
Yes, that is my MP-5. It is a real-deal, select-fire, post-86 dealer's sample.

taliv
April 14, 2008, 10:59 AM
stupid intarweb ate my post... take 2:


oleg, that rocks. that'll be my 9th t-shirt.


The poster looks great, but is that a real MP5? It just looks...cheap.
Yes, that is my MP-5. It is a real-deal, select-fire, post-86 dealer's sample.

heh

reference correia's hk rant on stamped metal guns

Deacon Blues
April 14, 2008, 11:06 AM
Great poster as usual, Oleg. You know, that very thing killed me while I was in London. I remember cops (or should I say soldiers?) standing on street corners with MP5s, cameras everywhere, and being more afraid of a criminal encounter than I was in Memphis. It would be funny if it wasn't true.

woodybrighton
April 14, 2008, 11:11 AM
there cops they get mp5 and g36 semi autos mostly as its easier to hit things with a carbine.
plus they look scary

iamkris
April 14, 2008, 11:41 AM
I agree with the comments that say move the MP5 down. I'd put the text "Now, UK residents are disarmed...etc" in between the Webley and the sub gun to separate them.

Leave the gun control/crime control at the bottom.

...oh, and change "UK residents" to "UK subjects"...'cause they are

Oleg Volk
April 14, 2008, 11:47 AM
I really need hi-res illustrations or photos of UK Bobbies then and now (public domain images or something I can license). Can anyone help?

bnkrazy
April 14, 2008, 12:12 PM
Here are a couple images I found that were of decent quality...not printable, but maybe you can contact the source and see if they have better quality versions?

Bobbies, then:
http://davesbikeblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/bobbies-on-bicycles.html

and now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Police_armed_uk.jpg

taliv
April 14, 2008, 12:14 PM
would be cool if the "now" picture was taken through a grainy, surveillance camera.

Cromlech
April 14, 2008, 12:25 PM
Nice work.

hopkin
April 14, 2008, 02:08 PM
...oh, and change "UK residents" to "UK subjects"...'cause they are

No, we're not. The only people who call us subjects are either people who don't realise we're citizens or people who are making up their own definition of subject. That's usually 'people who have more gun control than we do'. It might appeal to an American having a gloat but it just annoys the brits and so isn't appropriate for a pro-gun poster in my opinion.

Incidentaly, the subguns are all single-shot only so is it right to call them submachine guns? To me it's misleading. Would carbine be better?

As much as I disagree with gun control I'm not keen on this particular poster. Gun control didn't cause the increase in certain crimes or the prevelance of handgun use by criminals. The drug trade did. How about a poster explaining how removing guns from law-abiding citizens is inneffective in removing them from people who are already breaking the law by importing illegal items?

NeoSpud
April 14, 2008, 02:45 PM
Incidentaly, the subguns are all single-shot only so is it right to call them submachine guns?
I've heard several times that they're forbidden to be used in full automatic mode, but never that they were actually semi-auto only. That's the first I've heard of it. Can you point me towards some corroborating evidence? Thanks!

hopkin
April 14, 2008, 03:08 PM
Hi neospud

sorry, don't know where to point you. I got my info from a few police officers in different regions so it's anecdotal. Maybe we have a british police officer here who can state who gets what?

Zedicus
April 14, 2008, 04:55 PM
Here are some low rez ones I dug up on some news sites, that may give you a idea of what public domain pics are available, finding hi-rez ones will be a problem though.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/uk_police_061110_nr_1.jpg

http://www.eliteukforces.info/images/police/police-mp5.jpg

http://www.baraxley.com/files/police%20uk.jpg

UK Cops with FA G36's showing a lack of attention to the 4 rules.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41035000/jpg/_41035282_bradford_shooting5_416pa.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200707/r159449_581519.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/08/13/heathrow14806_narrowweb__300x369,0.jpg

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05/07/london_bombings/image/heathrowfoto1.jpg

http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/uploads/794heathrow.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41417000/jpg/_41417515_police416.jpg

http://www.someoneelseslife.com/images/1597.jpg

HK MP7
http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070709/070709_interpol_hmed_430a.hmedium.jpg

cont...

Zedicus
April 14, 2008, 04:57 PM
UK Police.


Then.

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/british_bobby.jpg http://www.constabulary.com/unif1_190.jpg

--------------------------------------------------------

Now.

http://www.psychicworld.net/ukpolice2.jpg http://www.baraxley.com/files/police%20uk.jpg

Oleg Volk
April 14, 2008, 05:38 PM
I need large versions of these -- with legal right to reproduce in a poster.

Zedicus
April 14, 2008, 06:25 PM
That's going to be difficult, the British are super persnickety/paranoid about hi-rez versions of photos like that.

Use of such photos (even Public Domain ones) for such posters can quite often get the photographer a visit/harassment from the police over their (hence why they are somewhat nervous about what they are used for).

I'll see what I can find/find out though.

Zedicus
April 14, 2008, 06:51 PM
Found one

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Police_armed_uk.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Police_armed_uk.jpg

Oleg Volk
April 14, 2008, 07:14 PM
Fortunately, I am not in the UK. I don't wish to violate copyrights, so might ask friends to make illustrations of generic UK cops. I know one UK cop, will ask him also.

Zedicus
April 14, 2008, 07:27 PM
That pic not of any use?
It's Copyright free Public Domain.

Oleg Volk
April 14, 2008, 07:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Crispy_tj#Image_Tagging_for_Image:Mankpolice.jpg

Copyright status is unknown. Also, the image as posted is too small.

woodybrighton
April 15, 2008, 08:59 AM
most uk coppers have only semi auto versions of either mp5 or g36.
there tending to use the g36 more these days as its better for putting pit bulls down than a 9mm :uhoh: which is what there mostly used for.
much like swat more specialist coppers have selective fire and other cool toys to play with.
my local police force had a pair of silenced selective fire mp5s the armed coppers who let us have a shoot with them had no idea why they had them:uhoh: best bet hk gave them a really cool price on them or had a very attractive salesperson:D
they sold all there enfield sniper rifles off really cheaply after losing a sniper match to the met and brought AI thing was the met were using handloads which will give you the edge in target shooting:D
last I heard were thinking of selling the AI's as nobody can figure out a realistic scenario when they'd need one :uhoh:

iamkris
April 15, 2008, 09:35 AM
No, we're not. The only people who call us subjects are either people who don't realise we're citizens or people who are making up their own definition of subject. That's usually 'people who have more gun control than we do'. It might appeal to an American having a gloat but it just annoys the brits and so isn't appropriate for a pro-gun poster in my opinion.

Sorry, I was just gloating...and using it as a warning to the apethetic Americans that think it can't happen here. Britain used to be a proud, determined republic...and now it is a nanny state. And we aren't very far behind.


As much as I disagree with gun control I'm not keen on this particular poster. Gun control didn't cause the increase in certain crimes or the prevelance of handgun use by criminals. The drug trade did. How about a poster explaining how removing guns from law-abiding citizens is inneffective in removing them from people who are already breaking the law by importing illegal items?

I think you need to re-read the poster...that is exactly what it says. It doesn't say that removal of guns caused crime. It says that the removal of guns didn't stop the increase of crime.

GhostlyKarliion
April 15, 2008, 10:27 AM
ok, I found a few, some of these authors may have the orignal high res versions, some of them are posted as under the CC license.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nudelsuppe/2187589105/sizes/o/

my fave:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alasdair-d/766626055/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dpwolf/363412025/sizes/o/


hope these help

yhtomit
April 15, 2008, 10:46 AM
Oleg:

Great poster. I actually like the text-v-image positioning as it is now (text on either side of the guns, rather than pic-text-pic-text), but that's not a big deal.

However: while this might be too nuanced for a poster, isn't it the case that only a small percentage of UK cops are armed with guns at all? (I hear them referred to a "gun cops," which always makes me laugh.)

timothy

hopkin
April 15, 2008, 11:11 AM
I think you need to re-read the poster...that is exactly what it says. It doesn't say that removal of guns caused crime. It says that the removal of guns didn't stop the increase of crime.

You're right, I mis-read the poster. Still not too keen on that particular poster though. It seems somehow sensationalist. 15 years ago my local force had delisles and beretta subguns, they were just never pictured with them. I need to consider this for a while to figure out what's bugging me.

Yhtomit, it's still a small minority of specialist cops who carry. It varies by region and outside london you're not likely to see an armed officer unless you're a serious criminal or live next door to one. Or a kid with twitchy neighbours waving a toy gun around in your back garden. They're mostly seen at airports or in photos of 'security concerns' in London.

yhtomit
April 15, 2008, 11:31 AM
Yhtomit, it's still a small minority of specialist cops who carry. It varies by region and outside london you're not likely to see an armed officer unless you're a serious criminal or live next door to one. Or a kid with twitchy neighbours waving a toy gun around in your back garden. They're mostly seen at airports or in photos of 'security concerns' in London.

Thanks -- that's what I thought.

The reason I asked, is because the phrasing on the poster makes me think "No, they don't [carry submachine guns]." At least, not to counter "violent crime" in the usual sense, unless I miss my mark (very possible). Anti-terrorist showmanship -- and maybe prudence, too! -- is what it looks like to me ...

timothy

woodybrighton
April 15, 2008, 02:29 PM
some of the big city's where gun crime has been a problem are getting regular
armed foot patrols in certain areas.
we usually only see armed police when the labour party have there annual conference. keep telling them putting the snipers on the roof doesn't give them a clear shot but they won't listen :evil:
thing was it took 70 years to rob the uk of rtkba
1920s ban on automatic weapons
1945 ban on carrying for self defence
1968 total on owning a weapon for self defence
1980s ban on semi auto weapons even though bloke had lied to get them
1990s dunblane nutter should had lost his weapons years ago local shooters and local coppers knew was overruled by higher ups:fire:

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