Yet another Wolf Ammo Question...


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smullen
April 13, 2008, 11:49 PM
Anyone used this???

How about in a Glock 21???

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/aw45.jpg

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/45acp.html

I was thinking about ordering a few boxes... I've been buying Federal white boxs for 100 rounds for 30.00 @ wally-world

I think the wolf would be about .07 cents cheaper, not counting shipping....

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wally
April 14, 2008, 12:17 AM
I haven't had any problem with Wolf .45ACP in any gun, but I've only run a couple of hundred rounds of it thru my Glock 21, since I don't shoot the Glock much -- just not a favorite.

But at $30/100 vs. $23/100 you could buy the Federal and sell the once fired brass and end up with the same or a bit better net price.

--wally.

TAB
April 14, 2008, 12:18 AM
I wouldn't feed any wolf ammo thru any of my guns if it was free.

smullen
April 14, 2008, 01:00 AM
Thanks for the input fellas...

I've been looking to score some better deals on ammo .45, .223/5.56 and .308 as I've been shooting alot latley..

Today, the wifey asked if she could go to the range with me next time...

She loves to shoot my G21...

Hoppy590
April 14, 2008, 01:07 AM
i tend to run wolf through forgiving guns

but guns iv found its worked in

Mosin nagants
SKS's
AK's
Hi Point 995's

so far its run great 4 for 4. il try some .45 next time i go to the range.

Huddog
April 14, 2008, 01:27 AM
Never tried anyWolf handgun ammo but I shoot their .223 and other than being dirty it does well.

phrozenlikwid
April 14, 2008, 01:40 AM
There is nothing *wrong* with Wolf ammo that makes it any more unsafe/damaging to your firearm than any of the other economically priced ammo. Most of the crap you hear is heresay/goofy logic/internet elitism at best.

It *is* cheaper, lower quality ammo (defined by "dirtiness" of the powders, case quality, and consistency). If you are willing to accept the performance penalties associated prior as trade for the monies saved, then it is fine ammo and would most likely serve you well.

Just about all of my firearms have ran Wolf ammo at one time or another, and some run it pretty much exclusively. The only exception being guns that were built to perform at an exceedingly high standard of accuracy (as opposed to utmost reliability in adverse conditions), which sometimes have problems with feed/function due to a myriad of self induced (by me) design bottlenecks (tight chambers, low mass slides/recoil springs/etc), which shouldn't be blamed on the ammo itself.

In short, I've shot 1000's of rounds of it with no complaints. In many cases, it affords me more shooting time that wouldn't be available were I shooting premium ammunition. Provided it shoots in your gun (and it satisfies whatever performance requirements you have), I would run it without qualm. If your gun wasn't built with the express purpose of shooting single types of rounds (IE: Tailored Handloads), then I would personally be upset if it DIDN"T shoot it.

2nd 41
April 14, 2008, 07:06 AM
I wouldn't feed any wolf ammo thru any of my guns if it was free.

Same. My friend gave me a 50rd box and it's still in the safe. I'm giving it back to him. I'd rather pay the difference and get a quality Brand name. WalMart Value Packs are the way to go right now (for me)

loop
April 14, 2008, 07:16 AM
I handload and pay about $8.20 per 100 for ammo.

But, I recently shot Wolff in an IDPA match because it was so cold on February I didn't want to pick up brass.

I won the match.

As far as dirty goes, shooting makes my guns dirty. Sometimes I have to run a fourth patch through them.

I bought a case of Wolff .45 a couple years ago and am down to the last box. I only shoot it as a last resort, but there is nothing wrong with it except my fellow shooters gripe about the steel cases.

My SIG P220 likes it better than anything else I've ever fed it...

Tom Fury
April 14, 2008, 07:30 AM
Have had cases twice expand in chamber and lock up in H&K .40 and .45. Won't push my luck with it anymore in anything else.
Why would I buy a $1000 pistol and go cheap on ammo?
Elitism runs both ways; sometimes "less expensive" is "cheap."
They've done their market research too, and found that if you make it a little less expensive, there are customers who will buy volumes of the stuff so they can tell themselves they got a better deal.

Anyway, I'm off of it; make mine S&B

Cheers, TF

ZombiesAhead
April 14, 2008, 08:21 AM
I don't know about .45, but I'm about to switch over to Wolf for my 9mm Glock (as well as my CZ-75 and Kel-Tec Sub-2000). Now that WWB jumped way up in price, I'm going steel-case - I just bought 1000 rounds.

I shoot Wolf 7.62x39 all day and recently bought some 5.56/.223 that I haven't tried yet.

I did quite a bit of research and consensus for Wolf 9mm in Glocks seems to be that it's dirty and slower but that it generally works and rarely if ever causes damage.

The one issue that could arise is extractor wear/failure from misshapen cartridges and the harder steel but this doesn't seem to be a huge issue - perhaps only if you fire great quantities of the stuff.

PirateRadio
April 14, 2008, 10:59 AM
Last time I shoot Wolf out of my 92FS, it was shooting sparks downrange like a shotgun blast. Pretty cool looking.

It freaked a bunch of people out at the range I was at. Including myself.

Supertac45
April 14, 2008, 11:28 AM
I wouldn't use it if it was free.

applekev
April 14, 2008, 11:36 AM
Wolf is no problem in my Glock 17. In fact I think it has a little more kick than WWB

GuidoTorpedo
April 14, 2008, 11:43 AM
I haven't tried the new Wolf (Black coating instead of the green), but I had a horrible experience with the old stuff. What was happening is the pistol (CZ75b) was heating up and the green paint was softening and getting really sticky. This combined with CZ's generally tight chambers caused many Failures to Feed and Extract. It locked up my CZ so bad I gave the rest of the box away (mine was given to me for free also). I hear the new (black coated) stuff is better, but I'm gonna stick with inexpensive brass ammo instead of coated steel.

RIATAC45
April 14, 2008, 01:42 PM
There is a range in Pasadena, Tx that won't allow you in the building with any steel cased ammo. The owner has 2 or 3 handguns displayed that are blown to pieces from Wolf ammo. He said that they all happened there, in their range. Could that be caused from a squib load? I may be wrong, but i don't think its possible to blow up a gun from just over charging a load is it?

I personally don't have any experience with it, so you can take it for what its worth. Grandma always said "Don't believe any of what you hear and only half of what you see."

nwilliams
April 14, 2008, 03:22 PM
I've used a lot of the Wolf .40 through my G27 and so far I've had zero problems so far.

I've also shot a few hundred rounds of the stuff through my Thompson 1927A1 and haven't had any problems with it. Its a cheap plinking ammo and so far it hasn't given me a reason to not keep using it.

ZombiesAhead
April 14, 2008, 04:01 PM
There is a range in Pasadena, Tx that won't allow you in the building with any steel cased ammo. The owner has 2 or 3 handguns displayed that are blown to pieces from Wolf ammo. He said that they all happened there, in their range. Could that be caused from a squib load? I may be wrong, but i don't think its possible to blow up a gun from just over charging a load is it?

A lot of ranges don't allow steel-case ammunition. This is practical in that I believe lower-quality loads and lower-quality bullets could damage or accelerate wear on their range-backstop. However, there are also some profit-driven motives:
-collecting your brass - they don't want to have to pick steel apart from brass
-more expensive ammunition=less people blasting, less overall shooting on the range
-shooting ranges sell ammunition, often at crazy-high prices. i've been to some indoor ranges that are really running a racket selling ammunition and only letting you shoot THEIR ammunition. (see Big Bore/Sherwin Shooting Sports, Eastlake, OH)

A catastrophic failure can happen for a number of reasons, but it's usually either shooting a gun with a bullet stuck in the barrel (user error) or when a case ruptures from an overcharged load or a bad, home-reloaded case (usually). I imagine the new steel cases in Wolf ammunition are pretty good.

I'll bet if you tried to bring in some non-Wolf, but similarly notorious ammunition (sketchy reloads, aluminum case, etc) that you would hear a different story about how those guns "blew up."

wally
April 14, 2008, 04:47 PM
There is a range in Pasadena, Tx that won't allow you in the building with any steel cased ammo. The owner has 2 or 3 handguns displayed that are blown to pieces from Wolf ammo. He said that they all happened there, in their range. Could that be caused from a squib load? I may be wrong, but i don't think its possible to blow up a gun from just over charging a load is it?


Before Wolf was available, he trotted out the same guns to show folks who wanted to use CCI aluminum blazer.

I'm betting he wants to sell range brass to commercial reloaders and mixing in aluminum and steel cases make it more trouble to do.

Its his range, his rules, but IMHO its about the worst place to shoot in town unless they've totally redone the place since last time I was there -- with his lack of ventilation, I expected lead-free primers and no exposed lead ammo only would be forced upon him by now.

--wally.

The Lone Haranguer
April 14, 2008, 05:02 PM
There is a range in Pasadena, Tx that won't allow you in the building with any steel cased ammo. The owner has 2 or 3 handguns displayed that are blown to pieces from Wolf ammo. He said that they all happened there, in their range.

:scrutiny::rolleyes: I don't put much faith in his story.

I've shot Wolf 9mm in a Glock and SIG and had no trouble with it. The .45 was troublesome in my Glock 30, having a large number of misfires in which the primer was barely dinged. I believe this was due to hard primers, as it always lit off American-made ammo just fine. This was in the early 2000s. I will give my standard advice here to buy a small quantity (a box or two) and try it first before committing to a case.

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