Wal-Mart is striking a deal with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg


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mrreynolds
April 14, 2008, 02:08 PM
Wal-Mart is striking a deal with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg on tighter standards for gun sales.

Wal-Mart is the nation's largest seller of firearms and Bloomberg is an outspoken gun control advocate.

Bloomberg is announcing the initiative Monday as he meets with Mayors Against Illegal Guns. He founded that group to try to crack down on the unlawful traffic in weapons that are often used in crimes.

Under the group's Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. will agree to keep certain records.

Mayoral spokesman Jason Post says that if a gun buyer is linked to a crime, the company will be aware of it the next time that person tries to buy a gun.

Wal-Mart also will also conduct background checks on employees who handle guns.

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Phone: (479) 273-4000
Fax: (479) 277-1830

2008 Sales (mil.) $378,799.0
2007 Employees 1,900,000

LINK (http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8163183&nav=4QcW4qrk)

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MakAttak
April 14, 2008, 02:14 PM
As we have some lawyers here, I have only one question:

Is this legal for Walmart to track such information? (I have no doubt Bloomberg wouldn't care)

TnShooter83
April 14, 2008, 02:26 PM
So where is the section in Wal-Mart that sales "Short" guns.
Haven't seen very many Crimes committed with a .270, or 300Win Mag.

Just shows how "dumb" they really are......I all ready knew,
they just keep reassuring it.

romma
April 14, 2008, 02:37 PM
:barf:

Tommygunn
April 14, 2008, 02:42 PM
Doesn't Wal-Mart already have to keep the 4473s (or whatever their ## is) that you fill out upon purchasing a gun that all FFL holders must keep? What more is needed?
Are they photocopying license photos?
Something isn't being 'splained here ...
I mean, how does one become "linked to a crime" without winding up being refused by the NICS check? Either you're a criminal or not.

mbt2001
April 14, 2008, 02:43 PM
I thought Walmart was getting out of the gun business??

So where is the section in Wal-Mart that sales "Short" guns.
Haven't seen very many Crimes committed with a .270, or 300Win Mag.

Walmart is stopping the flow of "cop killers"... Don't you support the police? Why does anyone need a gun anyway?

:p

waterhouse
April 14, 2008, 02:58 PM
Under the group's Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. will agree to keep certain records.

Mayoral spokesman Jason Post says that if a gun buyer is linked to a crime, the company will be aware of it the next time that person tries to buy a gun.

Uh, if they have an FFL, then they already do these things. The hell with Bloomberg, they agreed with the ATF to keep certain records and run a NICS check before a sale, which will alert them to the fact that the buyer has been linked to a crime.

MakAttak
April 14, 2008, 03:10 PM
Uh, if they have an FFL, then they already do these things. The hell with Bloomberg, they agreed with the ATF to keep certain records and run a NICS check before a sale, which will alert them to the fact that the buyer has been linked to a crime.

In this case it's slightly different. Walmart is going to keep track of whether or not the GUN you bought was later used in a crime and then use that information against you.

Neo-Luddite
April 14, 2008, 03:12 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-gun-sales,0,4554361.story

Wal-Mart Toughens Gun Policies

WASHINGTON - Wal-Mart, the nation's largest seller of firearms, is striking a deal with outspoken gun control advocate New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg on tighter standards for such sales.

Bloomberg is announcing the initiative Monday as he meets with Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group he founded to try to crack down on the unlawful traffic in weapons that are often used in crimes.

Under the group's Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership, Wal-Mart Stores Inc. will agree to retain records of all sales in which guns are later found to be used in crimes, said mayoral spokesman Jason Post. The company will also conduct background checks on employees who handle guns.

BattleChimp Potemkin
April 14, 2008, 03:12 PM
NICS check anyways for guns purchases. Background check for employees? I dont think this is necessarily a bad idea. Most of the folks working in gun shops around the nation were (most likely) at one time, gun buyers, there fore logic (not used most of the time) the people working in gun shops are okay folks (unless you own Dons Guns in Indianapolis IN <yuck>). This background check for employees is simply a hassle for the employee, not necessarily the consumer.

I feel this is a move just to make news during a day when there is little news to be had. That or Bloomberg is jsut aping for attention (Mayors against Illegal Guns? What is that? Two guys at a Stuckeys somewhere?).

Neo-Luddite
April 14, 2008, 03:13 PM
Do as you would with this info; I'm NOT saying that it is time to boycott ANYONE. No, not at all....

Eric F
April 14, 2008, 03:15 PM
why why what is their political gain for doing such? more unnecessary paper work for some poor minimum wage employee who could give a rats who is signing the paper work..........pointless and a waist of time to the employee what is Wal mart getting out of this?

Boycott....well I have been long doing that for them for a while now but because of employee treatment, china, destroying small business owners in small towns ect.

ambush
April 14, 2008, 03:17 PM
will agree to retain records of all sales in which guns are later found to be used in crimes,

I don't get this. Isn't this business as usual? I mean, if a gun is used in a crime and recovered, isn't it already recorded at the police station or something of that nature? Background checks on sales people....who cares.

waterhouse
April 14, 2008, 03:23 PM
why why what is their political gain for doing such?

Because, as ambush points out, it isn't any more work for them than they are already doing. It doesn't hinder gun sales, doesn't cost them anything, and they get a big city Mayor on their side. What did they have to lose?

Tommygunn
April 14, 2008, 03:24 PM
Guys, this is in LEGAL too .....

Car Knocker
April 14, 2008, 03:25 PM
4473s are kept for 20 years. What's new?

waterhouse
April 14, 2008, 03:26 PM
In this case it's slightly different. Walmart is going to keep track of whether or not the GUN you bought was later used in a crime and then use that information against you.

Really? Can you please post a link explaining this? I didn't get that from reading the posted article, but I admit I know nothing about MAIG's Responsible Firearms Retailers Policy.

CountGlockula
April 14, 2008, 03:26 PM
That's where our taxes are going.

ArmedBear
April 14, 2008, 03:30 PM
Wal-Mart also will also conduct background checks on employees who handle guns.

They're idiots if they don't do this already!

So where is the section in Wal-Mart that sales "Short" guns.
Haven't seen very many Crimes committed with a .270, or 300Win Mag.

Just shows how "dumb" they really are......I all ready knew,
they just keep reassuring it.

My take: Wal-Mart is promising to "do something" that won't impact them in the least. NICS would show if someone has a criminal record ANYWAY. Furthermore, it's a serious PITA for an FFL, when a "trace" is done. It costs money. (I'm on the board of a club-owned shooting range, and we are discussing doing firearms sales and transfers. Let me tell you, you want to avoid this stuff if you don't want your employees tied up while paying them.) Wal-Mart might want to track buyers who result in "traces" anyway; it's good business, if it's legal for them to do it.

Sounds to me like a case of telling Bloomberg something that he's too dumb not to understand has no effect, so he leaves them alone.

The only bad thing is that his organized-crime-style techniques are working.

MakAttak
April 14, 2008, 04:23 PM
Really? Can you please post a link explaining this? I didn't get that from reading the posted article, but I admit I know nothing about MAIG's Responsible Firearms Retailers Policy.

You're completly right, I misread it. As it is written, it sounds like what already happens. Perhaps I was reading into it as I know that seems to be Bloomberg's aim lately.

Edit:

The later posting of the article bears out my earlier statement. I retract my retraction. ;)

Liberty Ship
April 14, 2008, 04:41 PM
Looks like El Wal Mart has agreed to VIDEOTAPE all gun purchases! :eek:

SecuritySixShooter
April 14, 2008, 04:43 PM
They already do that.

Robert Hairless
April 14, 2008, 04:44 PM
That's where our taxes are going.

When was the last time you paid taxes to Wal-Mart?

Liberty Ship
April 14, 2008, 04:53 PM
Well, then, I think we should all, man and woman alike, show up at Wal Mart dressed in a burqua so they can't see our faces!

Robert Hairless
April 14, 2008, 04:58 PM
In this case it's slightly different. Walmart is going to keep track of whether or not the GUN you bought was later used in a crime and then use that information against you.

I'm curious about how Wal-Mart could possibly know whether any firearm it sold was later used in a crime. I suppose it could know if a firearm it is selling was previously used in a crime, but I don't think that Wal-Mart sells previously owned guns. Could it be that Wal-Mart requires all law enforcement officers to report crimes to it, or does the Wal-Mart manager implant tracking devices in the fillings of all customers who purchase guns?

As for Wal-Mart's ability to "use" such information against anyone at all, I wonder what that means. Are their perhaps Wal-Mart SWAT teams that invade the homes of such people and revoke their sneakers?

El Tejon
April 14, 2008, 04:59 PM
Yet again ArmedBear nails it.

kingpin008
April 14, 2008, 05:00 PM
Since when does Wal-Mart videotape gun purchases? I've never seen this happen, and never heard of it happening.

Atla
April 14, 2008, 05:02 PM
-shrug-

As someone said, it's no big deal at all. Irritating a might, but no biggie. Not worth getting ticked over.

Besides, Walmart is relatively 'pro-gun' compared to most 'big box stores'. As in they aren't Anti-CCW, they still sell ammo, and SOME RIFLES. Not a lot of rifles anymore, but some. And they don't carry handguns no more.

The only real loss we could get out of Walmart would be stopping ammo sales. That would really hit shooters hard.

waterhouse
April 14, 2008, 05:03 PM
Are their perhaps Wal-Mart SWAT teams that invade the homes of such people and revoke their sneakers?

Only if the Wal-Mart is directly attached to a Mall.

shc1
April 14, 2008, 05:28 PM
retain records of all sales in which guns are later found to be used in crimes

are later found

I think we are witnessing the birth of a loophole .

Shadowangel
April 14, 2008, 05:31 PM
All of the Wal-Mart stores around me stopped selling guns a couple of years ago.

strat81
April 14, 2008, 05:34 PM
Don't be a lazy linker.

By DEVLIN BARRETT | Associated Press Writer
2:36 PM CDT, April 14, 2008
WASHINGTON - Wal-Mart, the nation's largest seller of firearms, announced Monday it will toughen rules for gun sales, from storing video of purchases to creating an internal log of which guns they sell that are later used in crimes.

J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes at a gathering of Bloomberg's group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

Changes to come at about 1,100 Wal-Mart stores selling guns include:

_Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.

_Retaining the recorded images of gun sales in case law enforcement wants to view them later as part of an investigation.

_Expanding background checks of employees who handle guns and expanding inventory controls.

Suarez said the tougher standards will come with some additional cost to the company.

"The costs are we think part of what it takes to be responsible. Everything is not pain free," he said, adding that small sellers can implement many of the same rules. He did not say how long it would take to implement all the changes, but noted that software must still be created for an internal log of guns later used in crimes.

Suarez said his company may receive some pressure from gun rights groups, but added, "This is not a signal that we're getting out of firearms."

Bloomberg urged other companies to join Wal-Mart in the initiative called the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership.

"We didn't pressure them, they're doing it because they think it's the responsible thing to do," said Bloomberg.

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, had previously tried to establish a store in New York City but failed.

The mayors' gun summit also unveiled a new lobbying effort to close what they call the "gun show loophole" that allows people to purchase guns without background checks at gun shows.

Bloomberg founded the group two years ago with Boston mayor Thomas Menino to reduce the flow of guns from store displays into the hands of criminals.

The group, largely funded by Bloomberg's personal fortune, announced it was spending more than $100,000 on television ads starting Wednesday featuring all three of the current main presidential candidates voicing their opposition to the gun show loophole.

The ads will run in the home states of the three presidential candidates -- John McCain of Arizona, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois. It also will air across Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next week, as well as Florida, Maryland and Massachusetts.

The mayors group is trying to gather support in Congress to:

_End the gun show loophole.

_Require gun dealers to perform criminal background checks on all gun-handling employees.

_Close a so-called fire-sale loophole that allows gun dealers whose licenses have been revoked by the government to sell off their inventory without background checks.

_Add those placed on the terrorist no-fly list to the list of people prohibited from purchasing a firearm.

I might be wrong, but isn't that very last sentence grossly unconstitutional? Congress is going to deny the 2A to someone who has not committed a crime yet? Maybe they should prevent those on the no-fly lists from going to houses of worship or subjecting them to warrantless searches.

Old Fuff
April 14, 2008, 05:35 PM
What did they have to lose?

My business... :scrutiny: :uhoh:

Any company that teams up with Bloomberg won't see any of my money - just on general principals.

rocinante
April 14, 2008, 06:29 PM
Wal-Mart to film gun sales in bid to fight crime

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1421318620080414

RNB65
April 14, 2008, 06:35 PM
Nothing new there. They already film gun sales. Every inch of the store is under video surveillance.
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Atla
April 14, 2008, 06:57 PM
The group, largely funded by Bloomberg's personal fortune, announced it was spending more than $100,000 on television ads starting Wednesday featuring all three of the current main presidential candidates voicing their opposition to the gun show loophole.

The ads will run in the home states of the three presidential candidates -- John McCain of Arizona, Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois. It also will air across Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next week, as well as Florida, Maryland and Massachusetts.

The mayors group is trying to gather support in Congress to:

_End the gun show loophole.

_Require gun dealers to perform criminal background checks on all gun-handling employees.

_Close a so-called fire-sale loophole that allows gun dealers whose licenses have been revoked by the government to sell off their inventory without background checks.

_Add those placed on the terrorist no-fly list to the list of people prohibited from purchasing a firearm.

Thats what pisses me off.

And I wonder if Walmart is gonna start taking mugshot pictures of 18 y/o's holding the rifle in front of them.

icebones
April 14, 2008, 07:06 PM
i though bloomberg resigned?

or am i wrong


i didnt like wal-mart or any other corperation owned company anyway...

thats why i prefer buying from local family owned businesses.

i hate dealing with the idiots behind the counter at sporting goods anyway.

the whole idea of buying .22lr ammo, and getting asked "it it for a rifle or pistol" (im under 21) just irrates the hell outta me

next time i should say "well, sir/madam, the .22lr round can be used in handguns or rifles interchangibly... its for me to know and you not to ask,"

sacp81170a
April 14, 2008, 07:18 PM
Since when does Wal-Mart videotape gun purchases? I've never seen this happen, and never heard of it happening

In case you didn't know, you're under video surveillance from the moment you enter their parking lot. It isn't because they want to track gun sales, it's because there are so many lawsuit happy people willing to sue them for faked personal injuries. They don't care so much that you walk out with some of the cheap merchandise; that's not where they stand to lose the big bucks. You can get a lot more money by faking an injury than all the loot you can carry from the store in one trip. They're already taping gun sales, as well as every other sale. Can't say that I blame 'em. A lot of other stores do, too.

Note that not one of those stores guarantees your personal safety while on their premises. At least Wally World has no corporate policy against lawful concealed carry.

Mojo-jo-jo
April 14, 2008, 07:32 PM
you're under video surveillance from the moment you enter their parking lot.

Yes, and no. As a former Wal*Mart employee that was very friendly with one of the Loss Prevention (plain-clothes security) staff, I will say that most of the camera domes that you see in a Wal*Mart store are phony, with no cameras in them. Try counting them sometime--you'll see that there are nearly 100 in each store. It would be impractical and expensive to record/monitor that many cameras.

However, the gun counter, electronics department, and entrance/exit doors, as well as some sensitive employees-only areas (such as the cash office) are recorded all the time. Have been since at least 1996 when I started working for them. They also installed cameras and began recording the parking lots after a woman was abducted from the Wal*Mart parking lot in Carrollton, Georgia and later found murdered (Toyal Jackson case--never solved (http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=106021)) that did receive some national news attention.

Baba Louie
April 14, 2008, 07:36 PM
So, I buy a Remington 870 Express from WW, later legally selling it or trading it in at my local gun shop, who then sells it once again to someone, who returns home from vacation sometime next year to find that all of his guns have been stolen in his absence. Said 870, now owned by some ner-do-well is chopped down fore and aft and then used in a crime spree only to be recovered by LEO... who justifiably seek a trace on said chopped 870 and my name turns up as the original legal purchaser from WW, I gather that I will no longer be able to legally purchase a firearm from any WW that might still be selling them in my state.

Does that about cover it?

That'll teach me a lesson boy, to say nothing of stopping crime in its NYC tracks.

RP88
April 14, 2008, 07:45 PM
this just in: the white House, Capital Building, and the IRS have all been air-lifted and relocated to Manhattan Island.:uhoh:

someone needs to punch Bloomberg in the crotch or something...anything to get him off his high-horse.

dalepres
April 14, 2008, 08:22 PM
In this case it's slightly different. Walmart is going to keep track of whether or not the GUN you bought was later used in a crime and then use that information against you.

Two things come to mind.


Are Wal-Mart's vendors keeping track to see if guns they sell to Wal-Mart are later used in a crime? And then quit selling guns to Wal-Mart?
Shouldn't Wal-Mart keep similar records of tires later involved in DUI accidents?

macmuffy
April 14, 2008, 08:33 PM
All of you are missing the point. Remember that one hand washes the other.

""We didn't pressure them, they're doing it because they think it's the responsible thing to do," said Bloomberg.
Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, had previously tried to establish a store in New York City but failed."

:barf: Anybody want to buy shares on a bridge? I'll make you a special deal for clear title.






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buddah
April 14, 2008, 08:37 PM
First off, Bloomberg is a POS. I heard on the radio today that he has hired staff to research term limits because his term as NYC mayor is over and NYC has a 2 term limit. Apparently this POS wants to be mayor of NYC for 4 more years. Bloomberg is probably the reason Walmart has refused to open one single store within the 5 boroughs of NYC. I can't recall the last time some gangbanger walked into Wallyworld and bought a Lorcin or high point pistol that was later used in a crime. This press release was just media grandstanding. Bloomberg and Chuckie Schumer have never met a camera they didn't like.

lamazza
April 14, 2008, 08:37 PM
This is just Bloomberg making noise and pretending to 'make a difference'
All of this stuff is being done anyway-how pathetic.

hksw
April 14, 2008, 08:41 PM
My take: Wal-Mart is promising to "do something" that won't impact them in the least. NICS would show if someone has a criminal record ANYWAY. Furthermore, it's a serious PITA for an FFL, when a "trace" is done. It costs money. (I'm on the board of a club-owned shooting range, and we are discussing doing firearms sales and transfers. Let me tell you, you want to avoid this stuff if you don't want your employees tied up while paying them.) Wal-Mart might want to track buyers who result in "traces" anyway; it's good business, if it's legal for them to do it.

Sounds to me like a case of telling Bloomberg something that he's too dumb not to understand has no effect, so he leaves them alone.

The only bad thing is that his organized-crime-style techniques are working.

ding ding ding

Everything WM is saying they will do they (and every FFL holder) are already doing. They're just giving the dog the bone from the steak they just ate.


In this case it's slightly different. Walmart is going to keep track of whether or not the GUN you bought was later used in a crime and then use that information against you.

Well, if your GUN is used in a crime and the police track the serial number to WM and WM confirms, how exactly will WM use that against you? What information do you think WM will be storing that is not already on the 4473?

TexasRifleman
April 14, 2008, 08:45 PM
Since when does Wal-Mart videotape gun purchases? I've never seen this happen, and never heard of it happening.

What exactly do you think is in those little black plastic bubbles hanging all over the store?

Touchy feely feel good move or not if it comes to be a fact it will be the end of my business with Wal Mart.

Regardless of whether this has any real impact or not I simply won't spend my money with companies that kowtow to any anti's or their organizations.

Oana
April 14, 2008, 09:00 PM
Oops, didn't see this, posted it in General. I *did* think it odd that no one posted yet. :D

I for one don't want to support a company that blatantly buddies up to Bloomberg and his ilk, in their crusade against "illegal guns". If they've already got records, and they already videotape (at least, generally, if not specifically the gun purchases), why are they bothering? And what if someone has their gun stolen, used in a crime, and is then denied by Wal-Mart, despite passing an NICS check?

"People know you by the company you keep", and I think that holds true for corporations. Sure, they've got their good points, but I find this pandering to be a very big negative.

divemedic
April 14, 2008, 09:29 PM
Really? Can you please post a link explaining this? I didn't get that from reading the posted article, but I admit I know nothing about MAIG's Responsible Firearms Retailers Policy.

Ask and ye shall receive. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24114145)

Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.

You are even recorded in the parking lot, virtually the entire property. I have personally seen the videos used in numerous criminal investigations.

kingpin008
April 14, 2008, 10:49 PM
In case you didn't know, you're under video surveillance from the moment you enter their parking lot.

What exactly do you think is in those little black plastic bubbles hanging all over the store?

There's a difference between general store surveillance and "filming all gun sales", fellas. Let's not exaggerate here.

I'm not saying that when you buy a gun you're not on camera doing it, but to say that they "film all gun sales" is a straw man argument, because by that logic they also film all athletic sock sales, dog food sales, mountain bike sales and transfers of value-packs of pez.

Green Lantern
April 14, 2008, 11:09 PM
-shrug-

As someone said, it's no big deal at all. Irritating a might, but no biggie. Not worth getting ticked over.

Besides, Walmart is relatively 'pro-gun' compared to most 'big box stores'. As in they aren't Anti-CCW, they still sell ammo, and SOME RIFLES. Not a lot of rifles anymore, but some. And they don't carry handguns no more.

The only real loss we could get out of Walmart would be stopping ammo sales. That would really hit shooters hard.

Since Wally World is sucking up to Bloomberg and his lunatic ideas to keep us "safe," what makes you think they WOULDN'T limit sales of guns and ammo further, or start posting? :barf:

gym
April 15, 2008, 11:23 AM
Wallmart can't even process a return without 2hours of questions and answers. I brought back a Christmass present, and after half a dozen calls, and an hour in the store, where I met a nice lady in 2 casts, from an accident, who only wanted to exchange an un-opened bead cover, They had 4 people behind the counter, none of them knew how to go about doing a simple exchange. I got her a wheelchair and finally after raising my voice, asking for the woman who I was supposed to see, (the store manager), who after half an hour of paging her, they tell me she dosen't want to be bothered with this now, and could I come back another time.Then I lost it, long story shorter, they returned my money, in cash, and refunded the amount again on my wifes CC, and I realised that they never asked for the gift, either. So now I had the original present, the cc refund, and the cash. Good thing I am an honest guy, but I wouldn't worry about any gun policy Walmart strikes with the Mayor of NY, as they will end up loosing the records anyhow.

george29
April 15, 2008, 11:27 PM
Now we know Walmarts true plans and it's not dominating the retail market, it is about corporate exploitation of the free world. That's what the movie The Terminator was based on, a corporation taking over the world and enslaving the human race. I think I finally see the light, Walmart makes certain we can only shop with them, and then they enact their own laws starting with guns. If it were for our health and for the good of Americans it would have started with Alcohol and Tobacco or the candy section. By starting with the guns they have shown their true philosophy and they can only began by the time honored method of victim disarmament first.

Nightwing
April 16, 2008, 11:06 AM
Just purchased a brand new Marlin model 60 .22 in stainless with fold down sights. Only gun I've purchased from Walmart, and seems like the last.
Stupid turds! They say WE'RE paranoid. Gun owners are like the country's neighborhood watch. (ooh... that's good.... I'm putting that in my signature) You really don't want to spy on your neighborhood watch do you?
How about video taping streets in high crime areas so we can develop more video evidence against COMMITTED CRIMES instead of Assumed Potential Crimes.
Idiots.

Flyboy
April 16, 2008, 11:52 AM
One thing that everybody seems to be missing:
When fully put into effect, the agreement would also prohibit the sale of a gun to someone whose background check comes back with inconclusive results. In many states, people are permitted to buy firearms even if a background check comes back with inconclusive results.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/nyregion/15bloomberg.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
This is not what "all FFLs" do, this is an additional, more burdensome restriction.

Time for me to start shopping at Target again, and write Wal*Mart another letter.

SuperNaut
April 16, 2008, 12:50 PM
This is where we in the RKBA community often fail. It doesn't matter one whit if this works, or is new, or whatever. What matters is that to the penny-public it looks like Bloomberg has done something, it looks like Wal-Mart has done something, and everyone feels awesome.

Pat-inCO
April 16, 2008, 12:59 PM
Distinct possibility.

Out of ALL of the things listed, the only one NOT being done already is the software to track Wal-Mart purchases. Everything else is already being done.

As said above, just how many long gun purchases - from Wal-Mart - are going to be used in the commission of a crime, and confiscated?

It is NOTHING more than the standard liberal fru-ha-ha that says "look what we did" that produces no real benefit, and more importantly, does nothing that isn't already being done (trust me, if BATF thought an individual store was creating a problem, that store would not be selling guns).

Actually, it is a REAL nice item for the people in tin-foil hats to scream about.

Cowboybootnut
April 16, 2008, 01:01 PM
Quote

"Wal-Mart is the nation's largest seller of firearms"

We need to do our part in changing that. :neener:

Nightwing
April 16, 2008, 01:34 PM
Time for me to start shopping at Target again, and write Wal*Mart another letter.

You know Target won't even sell toy guns, right? I wouldn't shop there.

1776 Rebel
April 16, 2008, 01:43 PM
Gee I am real dissappointed by the general lack of outrage in these posts. Walmart has caved to Bloomberg and his crew. 17% of Remingtons sales alone take place at Walmart. That is a lot of guns. Its not about the local Walmart in your town. Its about the 2,447 Super stores and 971 Discount stores across the country.

When Walmart does something like this videotaping they will use the best of available technology to catalog and track all the sales. Instant retrieval. Google search capability. That will mean by proxy Bloomberg has acheived a NATIONAL REGISTRATION program. You don't think that next year he will tell the press "why if Walmart can do it can't the US Government?" You think that YOUR LOCAL police forces won't walk into the local Walmart and demand to do ad hoc queries on their databases? Bloomberg has already sent his cops as far as Virgina to pull off stings at gunshows and gunshops. He has teamed up HIS cops with BATF agents to walk into gunshops in NY and the BATF guy asks for the yellow sheets while the NY cop looks over their shoulder. Totally violating the law regards privacy of the forms. You tell me that the chiefs of police in the major cities and your State Troopers won't take advantage of this? The vast majority of chiefs are political appointees.

When Bloomberg calls for Microstamping and turns to Walmart what do you think will happen. Walmart will DEMAND IT OF THEIR VENDORS. 17% of Remingtons business guys !!! Don't you think Tommy Milner may winch but he will salute and say Ay Ay captain ! All without a single legislature having to act. YOU DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS ONE. This my friends is the real POST HELLER WORLD.

Its all about the big MO. The momentum is building folks. You ingnore this. You ignore that. Then in a few years everyone of your neighbors are agreeing with the "guns should be stored at the police station" crowd. You'll be the one that they turn too and say "didn't you own guns Harry?" and they will be turning you in for re-education.

Wake up PLEASE !

Flyboy
April 16, 2008, 02:27 PM
You know Target won't even sell toy guns, right? I wouldn't shop there.
Neither does Sears. Neither does my local grocery. The point of avoiding Wal*Mart is that they do sell guns, but only under onerous (read: more restrictive than law) terms.

kingpin008
April 16, 2008, 04:35 PM
When Walmart does something like this videotaping they will use the best of available technology to catalog and track all the sales. Instant retrieval. Google search capability.

Wow, conspiracy theory much? As stated earlier, Wal-Mart no more "videotapes" firearm transfers than they do sales of lawn furniture. Has ANYONE seen an individual be videotaped while in the process of buying a gun at Wal-Mart? I mean camera-in-face videotaping? No? Didn't think so. And even if they did have cameras sophisticated enough to zero in on a customer's personal info, the very second that they entered their SSN, that's a breach of privacy, if Wal-Mart chooses to go the "instant retrieval google-search capability" route. The fact is this - Wal-Mart, like any other retail establishment (even your local mom & pop gun shop) has video surveillance to protect their property and merchandise. That DOES NOT equal "videotaping gun sales" no matter how much you may want it to. This partnership with Bloomberg, however ridiculous and reprehensible, is a far cry from the sort of "national registration" cabal you're crowing about.

Seriously. Calm down a bit, maybe loosen the chinstrap on your tin foil hat. It'll do wonders for your blood pressure.

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