Your Obscure Pistols (Pics)

[andrewdl007]

So, I found a gun that belonged to my gradfather, but I had never heard of the make or model of the gun before I got it. It was mass produced in France in the 30s and 40s but very little is known about them. From my research, the serial numbers are meaningless. Any way, I thought it would be fun to show my obscure pistol and others show theirs as well.

[browningguy]

MAB's aren't obscure, well not if you look hard enough. :)

This is an H&R .32 ACP:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/Pistols/HR32small.jpg

And a Dyse 1908, althought they are pretty common.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/Pistols/dreyse1908.jpg

[Mad Magyar]

And the answer to what are those grips of Mad Magyar's HSC made of is:
Hamburger Buns with Toasted Sesame Seeds!

I like that......
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q148/veritas2369/OstrichMauser007.jpg

[Ash]

Here's mine. British Revolver, Old Patern, #1 Mk 1 made by Garate Anitua and chambered for 455 Webley. The butt is designed so that the revolver can be used as a cudgel if you run out of ammo but not out of Huns.

Ash

[lee n. field]

Mad Magyar, that's a Mauser, isn't it.

The ergonomics look a little "pessimal" to me.

[Ash]

The Mauser HSc is a far better pocket pistol than the Walther. But what exactly is that grip material?

Ash

[Cosmoline]

Are thos lizard skin grips on that Mauser?

[Moonclip]

I don't seee MAB's all that often. The H&R and the Dreyse I saw at a local auction last week. I have seen more Dreyse pistols though. I knew of one used in an attempted murder inb a local case!

Those grips look like ostrich. I didn't really like my HSC .380acp so I sold it. I like the way they look though.

[Funderb]

those mabs are based on the browning design right? like the FN 1922?

[Don Lu]

http://www.genitron.com/Unique/sterling-mk7-b.jpg

[Ford]

I know this is a handgun thread but it made me think of a long gun I have.
It doesnt have any markings on it I can find and I have no clue what it is.
I would aprecciate it If anyone can tell me anything. I have more pics of it If anyone thinks they might know.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2387/2260239431_3687726395_b.jpg

[DrLaw]

Ortgies .32
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/DrLaw45/Ortgies.jpg

[DrLaw]

And the answer to what are those grips of Mad Magyar's HSC made of is:
Hamburger Buns with Toasted Sesame Seeds! :evil:

Here is what is it supposed to look like without the bread!
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/DrLaw45/HSc.jpg

The Doc is out now. :cool:

[DrLaw]

Japanese Type 26 9mm rimmed revolver.
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb53/DrLaw45/pistol002.jpg

The Doc is out now. :cool:

[TIMC]

Here is an old belgian pocket revolver .320 caliber and made somewhere in the late 1800's as best I can figure.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/Belgianpocketpistolcomplete.jpg?t=1208232267
Here is a little Spanish made .22 single shot pistol. I don't know much about this one at all except it is old and does still shoot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/singleshot22pistol.jpg?t=1208232689

[jmabbott888@aol.com]

How about a Sterling PPL in 380ACP?

[stownsend]

Here are a couple obscure old pistols I have...The first fires a pinfire round, but that's about all I know...

[Deanimator]

Japanese Type 26 9mm rimmed revolver.
I remember back in the '70s when a bunch of those came in. Ammunition for them was one of the very first items that Midway sold. I almost bought one.

[SKKY9mm]

Heres an old one given to my father.

[Rorke's Drift]

My father gave me this. A Whitney Wolverine. We used to call it the space gun. Not totally rare, I'm told, but definitely among the obscure in my collection!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/roarksdrift/CopyofDSC06279.jpg

[Snow Dog]

Not exactly obscure but it's the rarest one I own - C96 Broomhandle

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/robs42mb/BH7.jpg

A couple I used to own but have since moved along - Sharps 4 barrel pepperbox:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/robs42mb/Sharps3.jpg

M1879 Reichsrevolver:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/robs42mb/RR2.jpg

[bigbadbowtie]

Very nice collections guys!!

[herohog]

AMT AutoMag III in 9mm Winchester Magnum (9x29)
http://herohog.com/images/guns/AMT9MAG.jpg

[Snowdog]

I guess it could have been the Chinese I had a few hours ago, but I felt the urge to vomit after seeing that Sterling PPL. That's one odd duck I don't think I've seen before.

[jmabbott888@aol.com]

Vomit all ya want, it's accurate & reliable lol.

[glocker82]

wow I love that C96!

[MachIVshooter]

Remington model 51 .380. Not all that obscure or rare, but the only autoloading pistol Remington ever made for the civilian market.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/Remingtonmodel51.jpg

H&R Trapper model .22. It's a 9 shot DA with no loading gate. I can only assume it was meant to be pointed downward when firing, as the cartridges will back out and bind the cylinder when held horizontally.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/HRtrapper22.jpg

Meriden .38 S&W, a DAO 5-shot revolver with a spur hammer:confused:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/Meriden.jpg

Le Francais officer's model .25, DAO stiker fired. I can't grasp the glass-smooth slide firmly enough to retract it, and I'm no weakling. I can only assume it is meant to always be loaded via the tip-up barrel.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/LeFrancais25.jpg

[dao]

Le Francais officer's model .25, DAO stiker fired. I can't grasp the glass-smooth slide firmly enough to retract it, and I'm no weakling. I can only assume it is meant to always be loaded via the tip-up barrel.

Yes, this old gun (1914) is to be load via the tip-up barrel only.
An ingenious system, used many years after by Beretta.
The big drawback of this gun : an heavy DAO trigger.

[Mad Magyar]

A Whitney Wolverine. We used to call it the space gun. Not totally rare, I'm told, but definitely among the obscure in my collection!

Real sweet gun....How would you like to trade a ..........:D

[chipperi]

Not completely obscure but you don't see them that often S&W 39-2 ASP Custom with guttersnipe sights.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n115/chipperi/asp3.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n115/chipperi/asp5.jpg

[Ash]

Ah, a melt-job.

Ash

[Moonclip]

Anyone have or like Astra 400's, 600's, 300's? They are kind of weird. I have 2x 600's and 2x 400's.

[seeker_two]

chipperi: You are now the target for my eternal envy....I've wanted an ASP since reading Gardner's James Bond novels.... :cool:

[Rorke's Drift]

A Whitney Wolverine. We used to call it the space gun. Not totally rare, I'm told, but definitely among the obscure in my collection!
Real sweet gun....How would you like to trade a ..........
:)
Thanks. I haven't fired it for years, but it is the first pistol I ever shot. The exposed hammer on a .22 is unique, and it has interesting controls-the safety is the reverse of a 1911, and the rear sight is basically folded spring steel. My Dad bought it at Wards in the early 1960s.

I don't mean to wander off topic, but does anyone have experience with the Olympic Arms reproduction of the Wolverine-I have heard very mixed reviews. Thanks, and this is a great forum!

[Jim Keenan]

A little different category, but here is a pic of a Deringer I bought not long ago.

Jim

[SDC]

Here are a couple of oddballs, but I don't own either of them:

A Zulaica automatic revolver
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/Zulaica.jpg

and an upside-down MTs-3 "Rekord" Olympic target pistol, that was only used for one Olympics before it was prohibited as giving shooters an unfair advantage.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/Margolin_MCZ_RF_pistol-1.jpg

[barman]

2 French Mle 1873 and one Belgian A. Drissen revolver:

All the three of them still shoot fine.

http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/11/17/69/93/dsc00010.jpg

[Famaldehide Face]

Where the hell is that auto revolver from?

[SDC]

The Zulaica was made in Spain, but few were made and it's one of the very few "automatic revolvers" ever made (the others being the Mateba and the Webley-Fosbery)

[jackstinson]

SEDCO SP-22
Not the most unusual looking gun, but a little obscure. The company was only in business for 3 months. Mine shoots pretty well.
George Jennings and Bruce Jennings sued SEDCO for design infringement and closed John Davis's company down. John was Jim Davis' brother, Jim owned David Industries and was George Jennings son-in-law. Complex intrigue and industrial espionage back then in the Southern California ZAMAK world. Jack

http://weirdjack.com/guns/SP-22-R.jpg

[CypherNinja]

Don Lu: Is that a super shorty Sterling?

[herohog]

Anyone have or like Astra 400's, 600's, 300's? They are kind of weird. I have 2x 600's and 2x 400's.
I used to have these... I had a lot of the 9mm Largo stuff. Always wanted the Bergman-Bayard 1910. Next to the Jo-Lo-Ar, it's the Holy Grail of the Largos.

http://www.9mmlargo.com/1910.gif

http://www.9mmlargo.com/joloar.gif

[Eroc]

I've always wanted a Liberator, anybody got one of those?

[Ash]

I've handled one that was for sale. I wasn't sure if it was NFA or not, and it was in pretty rough shape, so I passed.

Ash

[Moonclip]

Yeah, I always wondered the legalities of owning one due to smoothbore barrel. Barman, I assume you reload for those 1873 revolvers or is ammo available in France?

[hirundo82]

The Liberator was taken off the NFA due to its status as a collector's item.

See list here (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/sec3.htm).

[barman]

Hi Moonclip,

Yes I do reload for them. In the picture, you can see the H&C box kit that I use for that prupose.

[Catshooter]

Barman,

Could you open show/explain the H & C kit for reloading? I for one have never heard of it.


Cat

[barman]

Hi Cat,

You can check their webpage at the following address:

http://www.hc-collection.com/

Their stuff is like a lee loader, but specially adapted to 11mm73. It works great.

[Jimmy Newman]

Another 30s/40s French produced pistol (this one in .32ACP):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/jnewman606/Pistols/Audax/IMGP0507.jpg

It's an Audax, that's all the name that's on it.

[markk]

Another Deutche Werks Ortgies in .32...

[Catshooter]

Thanks barman, that was very interesting.


Cat

[45Broomhandle]

Here's my contribution to obscurity. This little .22rf single-shot POS was made and offered only in 1953! The name stands for the initials of the president of the company. Sydney Manson. The gun was co-designed by he and WHB Smith, who was a noted gun authority of that era.

When I learned of their existence I searched for years for one. Several months ago this one popped up on a national auction and I paid through the nose to win it.

Of course in the last few months TWO more came up for sale much cheaper. I also latched onto one of those. According to first reports - in a 1963 American Rifleman Dope Bag - was that just under 400 guns were produced. A later article in the '85 edition of Gun Digest said a serial number block of 200 more had been reported. Interestingly, the serial number of this gun pictured does NOT fit any of the various serial number blocks reported!!!

For what it's worth, here's a pic of the gun, and a pic of a vintage ad for it.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mauser/S-MSPORTERPOSED001_edited.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mauser/SMSPORTERAD2.jpg

GUN COLLECTORS: We are merely the caretakers of these historical artifacts for future generations.

[Mad Magyar]

45Br, that is an interesting pistol...Nice going.
The gun was co-designed by he and WHB Smith, who was a noted gun authority of that era.


BTW, this guy was a giant..His illustrated works he did for the NRA on Small Arms of the World is considered a classic...I use that book more than any reference for older pistols..:)

[denfoote]

Before they started flooding in in recent months, this was pretty obscure!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/P5-1small.jpg

[XavierBreath]

http://www.bayourovers.com/TOZ-35M.jpg

This is my TOZ-35. It's not really obscure, it was recently offered by CDNN. It is an Olympic Free Pistol designed in 1959. The TOZ is still used today in 50m pistol. I like it's vintage flavor when shot beside today's tackdrivers.

Here's (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/12/toz-35-range-report.html) a range report.

[XavierBreath]

http://www.bayourovers.com/MartinihenryPistol.jpg

Here is my Martini-Henry pistol (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/02/khyber-pass-martini-pistol.html), made in the Khyber Pass.

[Nortonics]

^

Damn - I ain't never seen a master engraved, cast iron pistol before!

[Moonclip]

I saw that on you blog, you gonna shoot the thing? Free pistols are neat as well.

[45Broomhandle]

I just received a letter today from Roy G. Jinks, Historian for Smith & Wesson. This old-timer pictured below is a .22 Single Shot First Model - according to his letter. The top of the barrel is marked MODEL OF 91. He further stated this model was "...sometimes referred to as the Model of 1891."

Factory records indicate this pistol was shipped from the S&W factory on February 20, 1901. It was delivered to E.K.Tryon Co. of Philadelphia.

According to Jim Supica, who has written books on the Smiths, there were only 862 of these produced in .22 caliber. Makes these fairly obscure I'd say...

This gun has 3 matching serial numbered parts which indicates it is ALL original, and not made-up of various pieces, as some later guns were reported to be.

Yes, there are prettier Smith single-shot .22s out there, but few can claim this kind of uniqueness and scarcity. This is their ONE single-shot pistol, built on a revolver frame, which retained the revolver's recoil shields.

I like it!

Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mauser/SMITHWESSONMDLOF91withammo001_edite.jpg

GUN COLLECTORS. We are merely the caretakers of these historical artifacts for future generations.

[rxraptor02]

45BroomHandle,


That looks really cool.

"A single shot .22 on a revolver frame" interesting concept

Have you ever shot it?

[Famaldehide Face]

That Khyber Pass pistol is a piece of work!, Wonder what else they make?

[CypherNinja]

I'm also interested in the Khyber Pass pistol.

How did it get into the country? Is it possible to get something from there into the country today? (given enough money)

I've wanted something from there for a long time.

[Buck Nekkid]

I just got the CZ 24, plated ones are a little rare. The CZ 45 and CZ DUO don't come around often either:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/CZ24002.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/CZ45--newgrips006.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/MyDUOA.jpg

[Moonclip]

I'd like a CZ45. A DAO pocket pistol makes some sense. Intratec made a poor copy of the CZ45.

[Buck Nekkid]

CZ still makes a version of the 45, called the CZ 92. It's only available in Europe due to our "sporting use only" restrictions on imports. I'd love one of these little babies!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/CZ92glamour.jpg

If anyone knows how to get one over here, I'd sure be interested!!

[45Broomhandle]

I haven't seen any "obscure" front-stuffers on here yet, and there are a massive amount of those worldwide. As soon as the Chinese came up with gunpowder, mankind has tried to work out different ways to best use the stuff to his advantage. A plethora of ingenious "shootin' irons" were designed and tried. (Ever seen a "duckfoot" pistol?)

Below is a picture of a MUCH later (ca1950s) pistol, built by Bob Tingle of Shelbyville, IN with an in-line design, when most muzzleloaders were still being made in the old, traditional side-hammer design. Unfortunately Bob died young so his beautifully designed guns of all ilk, were never made in great numbers. There are probably less than 100 of these beautiful old pistols surviving.

A couple of companies, including an Italian one, have duplicated Bob's design in the past, but those who have owned them say they are simply not the same high quality as the original.

I bought one, with a beautiful detachable walnut shoulder stock, personally from Bob about 50 years ago. (SN 25 as I recall) At some point in those 5 decades the gun and I parted company. In my later years I've thought how great it would be to find another. IT HAPPENED!

Recently the .44 cal. Tingle below was offered at an online auction and I was fortunate enought to obtain this one for under $200! The picture is the one furnished by the auction company, as it has not yet been delivered to my door.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle

NOTE: to rxraptor02, I refrain from shooting my older collectibles for fear of possibly damaging a historical piece. Besides, I've got numerous modern guns available to shoot, so why take a chance?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/mauser/TINGLEPISTOL44_edited.jpg

Yes, I carry a gun! 'Cause a cop is too heavy.

[Aldronus]

hello, I inherited this pistol, just curious to see if anyone knows anything on it..

[45Broomhandle]

Aldronus, that's a mighty interesting looking pistol. What caliber is it? No makers mark on it? I don't think I've ever seen one like it. Maybe someone else on here can help you out.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle

[dtalley]

My son's Rogak P18, 9mm

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa275/dtalley59/LESP-18.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa275/dtalley59/LESP-18a.jpg

[Justin]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=77987&d=1210396393

[Aldronus]

here are some more markings of it, i have to scale the pics down to fit the size limit, but if you want bigger ones, i can send them to you. I don't know what cal it is, but i should be able to get a mic and measure it sometime in the next couple weekends

[Justin]

Xavier-

If you're going to tempt us with pics of a Olympic Grade Free Pistol, you really ought to put it next to a box or two of Eley.

;)

[XavierBreath]

Heck Justin, it shoots the federal bulk stuff better'n I can.......

[zoom6zoom]

Don Lu: Is that a super shorty Sterling?
It's a Sterling Mk7A4 Para Pistol. Select fire, open bolt. It would be classed as an AOW in the US because of the foregrip (a part which was manufactured by Black & Decker for Sterling). 300 of these guns were produced between 1983 and 1988.

[Boxhead]

This Remington derringer.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1055658/derringer003.jpg

[crushbup]

It's a Sterling Mk7A4 Para Pistol. Select fire, open bolt. It would be classed as an AOW in the US because of the foregrip (a part which was manufactured by Black & Decker for Sterling). 300 of these guns were produced between 1983 and 1988.

If it's select fire, it would not be an AOW. It would be only a machine gun.