Gun Store Transfer Cost Insanity


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Monkeybear
April 14, 2008, 07:43 PM
So I sold a couple of rifles online. Now I just gotta find an FFL to send them out for me. First on my list of stores is the one I frequent the most, figure it will be an excuse to see if they have any of the guns near the top of my want list. I call and explain what I am looking for and after a few minutes a gentleman tells me that it will cost $90 each plus shipping to send them to another FFL. WOW! Thats even more than Collectors who only wants $70 and that includes shipping. They list tons of guns on Gunbroker so its not like they just don't want to go to the post office.

I found a nice courteous FFL who agreed to do it for $10 plus shipping but since it seemed like he was doing me a favor and that might not be his normal rate I'll not share his name. Thats right, $10 from a shop I have never visited.....yet. As of today I'll give him as much of my business as I can. As for that other shop, it dose not matter how near they are to me I will not darken their door ever again. They even have a gun on lay-a-way for me right now. They can keep the gun and the money.

Maybe they just don't want to be bothered with it, and thats fine. Jim Pruett's won't ship out. They tell you on their website; "Receive Only" and I respect that. What I don't respect is being jerked around. I know its their shop and they can charge what they want but come one, $90 each is a bit excessive.

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PPGMD
April 14, 2008, 07:51 PM
You live in Texas? You don't need a FFL to ship hand guns or long guns.

nalioth
April 14, 2008, 07:55 PM
Nobody is jerking you around, it is not required for an FFL to ship to an FFL (unless you live in some state with weird laws).

Texas doesn't have any requirements on this that are stricter than the Federal laws already covering it.

Monkeybear
April 14, 2008, 08:02 PM
I know I don't need one but some FFLs won't accept firearms from individuals. Just their policy or sometimes even out of ignorance. I have yet to receive my buyers FFL information and and so I don't know if he is one of the ones that won't. I just like to have my bases covered.

Maybe "jerked around" isn't the right word but I have been as a repeat customer and I have always paid the asking price without any hassle to "support the local gunshops". I just asked them to take my rifles with theirs to the post office and they quoted me at twice what most everybody else said they would do it for.

Maybe this isn't such a big deal to the rest of you and maybe after I have had some rest from a long long day I will read this post and wonder why I caused such a fuss but I think its things like this that make me drive for 2 hours out to Tomball Pawn whenever I need a gun.

nalioth
April 14, 2008, 08:15 PM
I have yet to receive my buyers FFL information ... then you should not worry yourself until you do. It is the buyers responsibility to use an FFL that will receive from an individual, not yours.

Mr White
April 14, 2008, 08:23 PM
I certainly wouldn't let them keep the money you put on a layaway gun. I'd tell them to cancel the layaway and once you have the money in hand, then ask to talk to the owner or manager and tell him why and that you'll never be back.

They won't know the consequences of their greed unless you do.

BANGS
April 14, 2008, 08:42 PM
You might post where you are and see if anyone in your area knows of cheaper FFL's. I know one in North Texas that receives for $10. If you need his info pm me, might help you out. The other option is get your own FFL, if you do too much shipping the license will pay for itself.

Dismantler
April 14, 2008, 08:45 PM
I wanted to send two handguns to my brother. (Shipping from NH to PA.) Many dealers do not accept guns from non-dealers. My dealer charged me $40 per gun, and the UPS freight. Other dealers in the area charge $40 per gun...for a piece of paperwork.

The dealers also charge $40 for a 4473 if I buy from or sell to an unknown party and want it legal and above board...even though person to person sales are legal in NH.

I agree with the original poster. It's too much for a 4473.

The Lone Haranguer
April 14, 2008, 08:52 PM
Man, where do some of these charges for transfers come from? The gun shop/range I go to charges $15 for members, another shop charges $19.95. All they do is a few minutes of paperwork and a phone call (and with a CCW, not even the phone call). Where the paperwork is more complicated (e.g., California where I came from), I can see a maximum of $35.

gym
April 14, 2008, 08:58 PM
$40 in South Fl, I just checked locally in Pompano last week

nalioth
April 14, 2008, 09:15 PM
Folks, this isn't about "receiving" transfer costs, this is about "sending". Some FFL holders evidently find this an onerous duty to perform and they charge accordingly.

My local ffl ( who I've visited and used for years ) put the nail in his own coffin in my book when I went to him to see what he'd charge to send a rifle to a Connecticut FFL. He told me $70 PLUS shipping for this. That, on top of other quirks he's been showing have sent me to another dealer for inbound transfers and when I sell firearms, I insist the buyer must use an FFL that receives from individuals.

.cheese.
April 14, 2008, 09:23 PM
same here in Hollywood, FL. $30-$40 depending on who you call. Or at least it was about 6 months ago.

DMK
April 14, 2008, 09:25 PM
What a scam. The receiving FFL won't accept a transfer unless it comes from an FFL. The sending FFL charges almost $100 to send it (plus shipping!), then the receiving FFL probably charges the transferee some outlandish rate. You're probably talking about $200 bucks by the time all is said and done, just to get the firearm from one person to another.

I realize the government created these silly rules and the paranoia, but guys like these are not helping our cause.

Untill the law tells me I have to, there is no way I'd use a dealer to ship a package that I can ship my own darn self.

lvcat2004
April 14, 2008, 10:29 PM
I have never sent a firearm via FFL, but received many through my FFL who charges $15 here in Las Vegas.

Is there something really complicated about sending a firearm, paperwork wise, that they feel that charging an outrageous amount of $$ is justified??

TX1911fan
April 14, 2008, 10:34 PM
My FFL charges $25 to receive, $16 if you have a CHL. I think he charges $25 to ship.

oneshooter
April 14, 2008, 10:41 PM
Try Jim over at the Shooters Shop. He is in the book.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

jerkface11
April 14, 2008, 10:48 PM
My guy charges $10

JWarren
April 14, 2008, 11:16 PM
I know this is about shipping and not receiving, but I just had to share.

I've used one shop for 6 firearms over the last year. Each time, they charged me 10% of the value of the firearm as a transfer fee.

I was OK with that. It was better than the place that charged a flat $75 dollars and acted like you were dirt for ordering anything that they did not stock.

Then I realized that I spent about $300 in transfer fees last year. As I was about to order another rifle that was going to cost another $100, I found a person in my community who does FFL work as part of their business for $25 flat rate.

This is in line with other places I've seen.


BTW--- the 10% place told me that they were doing me a favor because I did so much business with them. They said that they charge 20% to everyone but their good customers.

I doubt I'll remain in good standing for long.


-- John

Atla
April 14, 2008, 11:19 PM
I always thought of $25 as the 'norm' for this sort of stuff.

btg3
April 14, 2008, 11:29 PM
Varies from $15 to $35 in upstate SC, and no problem receiving from individuals. The transfer is somewhat easier if the buyer has a CCW permit which waives the background check (ie, no phonecall is necessary).

I sold a rifle last fall, and shipped USPS to FFL in TX, with no FFL on my end. Easy.

PPGMD
April 14, 2008, 11:38 PM
My old FFL charged $25 to receive that included the $5 for the FDLE background check. My current one charges $30 including the call.

joplinsks
April 15, 2008, 12:27 AM
If the buyer can find a FFL that will accept from an individual, it's PERFECTLY LEGAL to ship direct to them. Been there... done that a few times. Fedex Ground will accept rifles without any problems and are very reasonable, while UPS can be trouble depending upon who you face behind the counter. If you end up paying a FFL to send it, you're just eating up your profit.

Kind of Blued
April 15, 2008, 12:45 AM
I admittedly didn't read the thread in its entirety, but I know that www.atlanticfirearms.com has a link to a list of ALL registered FFLs in your area. The last time I checked, there were a few willing FFLs to do a transfer for $15. Check the site.

Sir Aardvark
April 15, 2008, 01:10 AM
There is a limit on how much is required from you to support your local gunshop...

Don't let them fleece you!

You can do it yourself for free.

LawBot5000
April 15, 2008, 01:34 AM
This is the reward for letting the gun retailers push congress to tighten up the rules on issuing and renewing FFLs.

This raising of prices for transfers is just the begining. The laws of supply and demand tell us that eventually transferring an ordinary gun will become more and more like transferring an NFA weapon as time goes on.

The solution is to push back and reverse this trend, though nearly no one in congress has the courage to propose any repeals.

nalioth
April 15, 2008, 04:10 AM
If you end up paying a FFL to send it, you're just eating up your profit. All my sales ads have a $200 fee listed if I have to ship using an FFL on my end. This gives the buyer incentive to find an FFL that receives from individuals.



The reason that some FFL holders only receive from other FFL holders doesn't make much sense to me. There is no law stating that the shipping FFL has to run a check with their PD for stolen guns or whatever, so nobody is really protected by this mindset.

3 gun
April 15, 2008, 04:57 AM
After reading all the horror stories I need to post this.

I have it good and so should you. Here is the DEAL for Ohio buyers. He's only about a 1/2hr from my favorite outdoor range, Tusco Rifle Club near Dover. Smaller shop/quick stop/bait store combo. Does transfers for $1. Will do your consignment for $5. He handles the clubs transfers for the yearly raffle for the last 3 years. May not be the biggest, most convenient or well stocked but no one can say he's over priced.

PENN STATION
Greg Rennicker - Owner
2586 St. Rt. 39 NE
New Philadelphia, OH 44663
330-364-7668

Only used him a couple of time but never ran into a problem.

TAB
April 15, 2008, 05:06 AM
The reason that some FFL holders only receive from other FFL holders doesn't make much sense to me. There is no law stating that the shipping FFL has to run a check with their PD for stolen guns or whatever, so nobody is really protected by this mindset.



there is a valid reason for this... its called saving thier butt. Think about it, you a send off a gun to a FFL... the guy fails the background check. The FFL can't just send it back.

nalioth
April 15, 2008, 05:07 AM
there is a valid reason for this... its called saving thier butt. Think about it, you a send off a gun to a FFL... the guy fails the background check. The FFL can't just send it back. In my opinion, in this situation the buyer failed at doing his homework and the receiving FFL can add the firearm to his stock, or buy it out from the buyer or whatever. It is not the sellers responsibility to make sure background checks can be passed or anything else on the buyers end.


Folks, again, this thread is about SHIPPING HASSLES when using an FFL holders services. There are only 9 gazillion threads on "my dealer only charges $X to receive firearms and throws in a bottle opener" around here.

mekender
April 15, 2008, 05:44 AM
simple solution... buyer pays the shipping fees including the sellers FFL fees... if the buyer doesnt like it, it falls on him to find a FFL that will accept shipments from a non-FFL... they arent all that hard to find

TAB
April 15, 2008, 05:51 AM
In my opinion, in this situation the buyer failed at doing his homework and the receiving FFL can add the firearm to his stock, or buy it out from the buyer or whatever. It is not the sellers responsibility to make sure background checks can be passed or anything else on the buyers end

In my exp working for a FFL, most people that failed background checks, had no idea they were going to fail.

As a biz owner I can understand why another biz owner would not want that headache.

nalioth
April 15, 2008, 06:02 AM
In my exp working for a FFL, most people that failed background checks, had no idea they were going to fail.

As a biz owner I can understand why another biz owner would not want that headache. What if the seller doesn't want the gun back? It's not the sellers responsibility to run a background check on the buyer in advance.

I personally include many pictures and a very good description in my ads. Not passing a background check on the buyers end is not a valid reason for me to take the gun back, after the sale.

TAB
April 15, 2008, 06:15 AM
thats just it. The FFL can't just send it back to you.

So what the FFL holder should just keep it in his safe? They can not legally sell it.

the FFL I worked ran in to big probs with a transaction where the buyer failed the back ground check.,. Was shipped to the us, guy failed the back ground check. The guy made a drive from so cal to pick up his gun... only prob was he failed the back ground check too.

Would you want to deal with that head ache?

Ltlabner
April 15, 2008, 07:05 AM
Woozie.

My guy charges $30 to recieve. Not sure he charges anything to send out other than shipping. If he does, I doubt it's more than $30. I'm pretty sure he doesn't charge anything, however.

nalioth
April 15, 2008, 07:14 AM
thats just it. The FFL can't just send it back to you.

So what the FFL holder should just keep it in his safe? They can not legally sell it.

the FFL I worked ran in to big probs with a transaction where the buyer failed the back ground check.,. Was shipped to the us, guy failed the back ground check. The guy made a drive from so cal to pick up his gun... only prob was he failed the back ground check too.

Would you want to deal with that head ache? So your FFL holder wants to "pass the buck" back to the sending FFL? What's the sending FFL holder gonna do with it if the seller doesn't want it back?

That is not High Road behavior.

btg3
April 15, 2008, 08:32 AM
If the buyer fails the background check, then he can not take possession and needs to make arrangements to sell the gun. Perhaps at a substantial loss -- to discount the price, pay shipping, consignment, whatever. It's the buyer problem. If anything, it may be a good opportunity for the FFL holder -- either to establish some goodwill, collect another fee, or make a deal on the firearm.

jimbob1911
April 15, 2008, 08:56 AM
I had a guy who I got dozens of transfers from for no cost to me. I tried to give the guy at least 20 bucks because I felt bad but he would never take it. Then one day I happen to have 5 pretty cheap rifles that I bought in a lot. The guy's son tried to say " we have a 30 dollar a gun transfer fee you know". Normally I would just pay it and shut up but that would put my total cost in transfer fees above what the total cost of the rifles was. I would never have bought it if I knew that was going to happen. Anyway I argued with him and I had one last rifle that was coming in and it was to be the last one I was going to buy for a while. I had been waiting on it for almost a year now and when I went to pick it up the same guy tells me yup there is a new transfer fee. I paid it on the rifle, left, moved a week later and never went back...

LiquidTension
April 15, 2008, 09:42 AM
Last time I shipped anything I just took my 2 pistols to the FedEx hub and convinced the guy to ship them ground. No big deal.

Before the local gunsmith closed up shop, he sent a gun off for me. All he did was charge me the actual shipping price, which wasn't much since he could send it USPS.

btg3
April 15, 2008, 11:11 AM
Liquid Tension, how long ago was it that you shipped Fedex ground?

Old Sarge
April 15, 2008, 12:24 PM
This is "possibly" the reasoning. I sent a crossbow back to the factory, for repair. A good friend owns the UPS shipping station, and said he was giving me a discount. It cost me $38 and change to ship it. When it was fixed and returned, it cost Horton, $8. to send UPS. Go figure?

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