Results of New York Gun Control Day 2008


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mrreynolds
April 14, 2008, 10:33 PM
A-76A, mandatory storage, passes 95-35.

A-829, child operated firearms, passes 86-46.

A-3447, expands definition of AP ammo, passes 85-40.

A-3451, expands COBIS, passes 79-49.

A-8700B, creates firearms disqualifications registry, passes 124-0 with no debate.

A-2868, disguised guns, passes 83-46.

A-6525A, gun dealer liability. Phil Boyle offered amendment, found not germane to bill, appealed decision. Amendment fails 83-52. Bill passes 85-53.

A-9819A, microstamping, passes 90-43.

A-7331A, semi-auto prohibition, passes 85-46.

A-2772A, .50 prohibition, passes 85-49.

The pro-gun side was much more animated than in previous years. Debate and voting took over 3 hours.

Speaking on the bills: Brian Kolb, Marc Butler, Greg Ball, Mike Cole, Dan Burling.

Explained their vote: Nancy Calhoun, Dan Burling, Cliff Crouch.

The only antis to speak on the bills were the sponsors. Michele Schimel was far and away the most shill with her prepared speech/diatribe.

Steve Englebright, Charles Levine, Pat Eddington explained their vote on A-9819A.

Matt Titone explained his vote on A-7331A.

I recorded the proceedings and will post the audio on our website in the near future.

Unrelated, A-10154A, requires state agencies and certain covered authorities to purchase handguns from "responsible" suppliers, was amended and resubmitted to Governmental Operations.

Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
http://www.nysrpa.org
http://www.rpa-pac.org
Yahoo! Messenger ID: nyrkba

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Henry Bowman
April 14, 2008, 10:39 PM
Reads like a declaration of war against the Second Amendment.

bensdad
April 14, 2008, 10:46 PM
Wow.

How do they sleep at night, knowing they have done nothing to fight crime or promote liberty?

Standing Wolf
April 14, 2008, 10:48 PM
How do they sleep at night, knowing they have done nothing to fight crime or promote liberty?

Knowing they've advanced the cause of socialism, they sleep very well.

pdowg881
April 14, 2008, 10:56 PM
Can someone explain more? All this stuff really passed? Is this New York State or New York City? Is this all law or did it only pass thorugh one part (State senate or house?) Need more details.

Old Fuff
April 14, 2008, 11:01 PM
But of course the Governor will veto all of these bill won't he...

I mean..... won't he... :cuss: :cuss: :barf:

yhtomit
April 14, 2008, 11:03 PM
mrreynolds: ouch! I hope this is NYC, rather than the whole state, but I'm with pdowg881, looking forward (wrong phrase) to more details on at least some of these.

("semi-auto prohibition"?!)

timothy

Six O'clock Tactical
April 14, 2008, 11:04 PM
woah woah woah... what? I havent heard anything about this! semi-auto prohibition? WHAT!??!

Tell me what that means please, cause im kind of having heart palpitations right about now...

mrreynolds
April 14, 2008, 11:50 PM
mrreynolds: ouch! I hope this is NYC, rather than the whole state, but I'm with pdowg881, looking forward (wrong phrase) to more details on at least some of these.

All the New Yorkers up or downstate with your mouth hanging open can do a couple of things. Join the NRA to get the NRA-ILA alerts. If you live in New York you should already be a member of the NYSRPA you can actually talk to these people I e mailed:

Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
http://www.nysrpa.org
http://www.rpa-pac.org
Yahoo! Messenger ID: nyrkba

Did he stop what he was doing to e mail me back no that would have been to easy. He "called me" stayed on the phone until I had sufficient information. Become a part of the solution. You can join either organization from my site Small Armz but I'm not here to pitch a sale. FYI.

A-76A (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a76), mandatory firearms storage. Prohibits keeping loaded firearms for personal protection.

A-829 (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a829), prohibiting "child operated" firearms.

A-2772A (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2772), prohibit the sale and possession of all firearms with a bore diameter over .50" including shotguns.

A-2868 (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2868), prohibits the possession of guns that look like toys.

A-3447 (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a3447), redefines the definition of AP ammo to include all frangible rounds and those with plastic tips. Would ban most hunting ammo.

A-3451 (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a3451), expands the failed ballistic database COBIS. 200,000 casing collected over the past 7 years at a cost of $28 million with no crimes solved with it.

A-6525A (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a6525), holds gun dealer liable for 3rd party misuse of a firearm.

A-7331A (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a7331), prohibits virtually all semi-auto handguns and rifles which use detachable magazines as well as many pump shotguns.

A-9819A (http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a9819), requires "microstamping" on all pistols even though the technology doesn't exist.

perpster
April 15, 2008, 12:07 AM
They still have to pass the Senate (somewhat more conservative than the uber liberal Assembly).

I thought these were coming up on 4/15 not 4/14. I made all my calls and emails late in the day on 4/14. Damn.

Make sure to contact Assy Speaker Silver, Senate Speaker Bruno, your own Assemblyperson and Senator, and the Governor's office.

Maybe Heller will hold out some hope down the road. Other states are going right-to-carry and Castle Doctrine. Not NY.:cuss::fire::banghead:

SpeedAKL
April 15, 2008, 12:10 AM
Unbelievable. This is probably the harshest anti-gun legislation we've ever seen in the US.

perpster
April 15, 2008, 12:11 AM
Anyone with NY political savvy willing to hazard a guess on how these bills will fare in the Senate?

karandom
April 15, 2008, 12:12 AM
This has put New York over the edge. Its on my list of never going to live there places.

SpeedAKL
April 15, 2008, 12:23 AM
One of my roommates is from NY and is a big gun guy. He just went to sleep and doesn't know about all this. It's gonna be nasty surprise in the morning:(

Rmeju
April 15, 2008, 02:05 AM
Wow... I mean just...wow


I'd also be curious as to these bills' viability in the senate.

I hope the supremes are watching this kind of crap when trying to figure out what sort of scrutiny to give the Heller decision!

Yikes, they really went overboard with this one.

Reid

Bobarino
April 15, 2008, 02:09 AM
7331-a - likely irrelevant but do they realize its a muzzle "brake", not a muzzle "break"? what freakin idiots.

Bobby

John G
April 15, 2008, 02:16 AM
Living here is giving me an ulcer. It's bad enough that I can't move to Rochester because of it's "no centerfire semi-auto rifles with six or more rounds capacity" law. Must be all those gangbangers with M1 Garands, ruining it for the rest of us.

PAULREVERE
April 15, 2008, 04:19 AM
Your fellow "assemblyman" are enemies of the people. You guys have some serious problems that need to be corrected. :fire:

TAB
April 15, 2008, 04:37 AM
How do they sleep at night, knowing they have done nothing to fight crime or promote liberty?

on top of a pile of cash they have stolen from the citz of NY... its not about fighting crime... its about making them look like they are fighting crime.

rocinante
April 15, 2008, 07:22 AM
Just WOW. Just grateful the concept of state right hasn't totally been strangled by federalism.

This may be wishful thinking but a HUGE mass of bills like that has a desperate last stand, now or never, do or die quality to it.

romma
April 15, 2008, 07:52 AM
likely irrelevant but do they realize its a muzzle "brake", not a muzzle "break"? what freakin idiots.


They have zero clue, trust me...

Watch Senator Mcarthy: from NY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

2nd 41
April 15, 2008, 08:12 AM
How do they sleep at night, knowing they have done nothing to fight crime

And the beat goes on.

Lichter
April 15, 2008, 08:51 AM
Here is the NY site so you can actually look the bills up. The procedural history is interesting. Many of these bills have been passed before and have died in the Senate.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/

ctdonath
April 15, 2008, 09:44 AM
The NY Assembly is more, um, extreme in what it passes.
The NY Senate tends to be more level-headed against such BS.
The NY Governor will probably sign whatever "anti" legislation reaches his desk (witness: NRA-supported Pataki signed the NY AWB ... and the current guv is a (D)).

Probably at best a toss-up whether any of it gets passed.

Buy what you can while you can.
Or leave. I did.

charon
April 15, 2008, 09:44 AM
Virtually the same basket of joy they are trying to push on us in Illinois. Most of ours are currently stalled in the house, if I'm not mistaken. Daley has been going full court on the high emotion "for the children"<tm> bs with his schools CEO sockpuppet, Arne Duncan and the fully compliant local media trying hard to enrage our otherwise unconcerned state population.

Good Luck NY

Hawk
April 15, 2008, 09:52 AM
I don't like the proposals any better than anybody else but in the interest of accuracy can the .50 cal bill really be said to pertain to shotguns?

A2772

A. 2772--A 50-CALIBER WEAPON MEANS A RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE IN 50-CALIBER OR LARGER, .50 BMG CALIBER OR LARGER, ANY OTHER VARIANT OF 50-CALIBER OR LARGER, OR ANY OTHER METRIC EQUIVALENT OF SUCH CALIBER, PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT NOTHING IN THIS SUBDIVISION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO INCLUDE ANY MUZZLE LOADING RIFLE WHICH IS DESIGNED TO USE BLACK POWDER, OR A BLACK POWDER SUBSTITUTE, AND WHICH CANNOT USE FIXED AMMUNITION.

Too bad. If my memories of upstate shotgun hunters is accurate, some will cheerfully throw the Barretts under the bus.

eric.cartman
April 15, 2008, 09:57 AM
A-9819A, microstamping, passes 90-43.

A-7331A, semi-auto prohibition, passes 85-46.

Is this a joke?

:uhoh: I, honestly, can't believe what I'm reading :fire:

LAR-15
April 15, 2008, 10:46 AM
Did the NRA really endorse Pataki?

jlday70
April 15, 2008, 12:25 PM
Just wrote the Speaker..of the assembly expressing my disgust...

Leanwolf
April 15, 2008, 03:05 PM
BENSDAD - "How do they sleep at night, knowing they have done nothing to fight crime or promote liberty?"

They sleep quite well because their eventual goal is NOT to "fight crime or promote liberty."

Their eventual goal is to "save America" with their long sought goal of establishing their Great Brave New Marxist Socialist Fascist Police State Utopia.

That's what its all about.

L.W.

ctdonath
April 15, 2008, 03:09 PM
Did the NRA really endorse Pataki?
Yes. It was actually a big campaign.
"Vote Freedom - Vote Pataki - NRA"

Major faux pas you don't hear much about now.

Rokyudai
April 15, 2008, 04:11 PM
This is disturbing but not at all unexpected. I am glad to have given NY the good bye gesture years ago.

ZeSpectre
April 15, 2008, 04:31 PM
And while they were busily moving these new bills toward law....how many folks were assaulted/died because of a failure to enforce existing laws and hold criminals accountable?

archigos
April 15, 2008, 05:11 PM
I'm getting out of this fascist state as soon as I'm out of college. Luckily, that's just weeks before the January implementation date of those bills. I still feel sorry for my family and all the others stuck here. It's bad enough -before- those bills.

In the meantime, anybody that lives in NY state, please do your part and contact your state senator. To find contact details, go to http://www.senate.state.ny.us/sdlookup.nsf/Public_search?OpenForm

vis-à-vis
April 15, 2008, 05:51 PM
Holy hell, that's ridiculous!

*subscribing*

yellowsl
April 15, 2008, 07:09 PM
I have lived here all my life but i have no plans to stay here after i retire. my kids are still young but because the nanny state mentaility they have driven most of the good paying jobs out of this dump of a state so i will have to tell them that they will be better of some where else be sides this state.

In my county the budget is 325 million a year 70% of that is social services.200 plus county vehicles go home with people at night.

this state is rapidly going down hill instead of trying to solve the real problems of the state the crooks in albany just keep passing feel good legislation with catchy names going only after the law abiding tax payers and butt kissing the criminals.

my father is still alive thats why i stay here i see him everyday i feel that is my responsibility.he was there for me when i was a kid i could not leave him now that he is old and gray.

I am a nysrpa member and nra member i write and call the crooks in albany but it just gets old I HATE NY

big44
April 15, 2008, 07:20 PM
New York City! One of the last bastions of Communisin:cuss:

yokel
April 15, 2008, 08:27 PM
One of the main justifications for the people keeping and bearing arms was, and is, to keep in check local tyrants who despise individual freedom and are drunk with the power they can exert when they take ownership of people’s lives.

Well, so much for that idea…

Be sure to be nice and respectful when you contact your arrogant, usurping elected tyrants and despots.

ghschirtz
April 15, 2008, 08:47 PM
Well holy snot. I guess Mikey Bloomberg is grinning like the hyena he is. I live in ********** and I bet they will try this year to surpass NY.

Prayers tonight the Supremes go the right way and side with the Founders...and DC Circuit.

This is appalling. Good luck, you all in NY. I hope the Senate has not lost all sense of reason.

Just another reason the state will crater in a bonfire of the vanity of its political class.

What the heck is going on that we have two neo-Marxists running for President.

Charlton Heston, in Planet of the Apes..."it's a madhouse! A madhouse I tell you!..."

archigos
April 15, 2008, 09:08 PM
I don't like the proposals any better than anybody else but in the interest of accuracy can the .50 cal bill really be said to pertain to shotguns?
Yes, the ban will prohibit shotguns larger than .410.

mrreynolds
April 15, 2008, 09:10 PM
This week, several anti-gun measures passed the State Assembly and are now heading to the State Senate, where they will most likely be referred to the State Senate Codes Committee.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4406728#post4406728

AnthonyC.
April 15, 2008, 09:27 PM
About the muzzle "brake"/"break" thing, would it still be legal to use a muzzle "brake", if it is just prohibited under the law as a "break"?

ctdonath
April 15, 2008, 11:01 PM
can the .50 cal bill really be said to pertain to shotguns?
It says "rifle", and "rifle" has a very specific meaning under NY law:
Among other factors, a "rifle" has a rifled bore and fires metallic cartridges. A "shotgun" has a smooth bore and fires non-metallic cartridges.
So no, it will not affect shotguns in NY.

FieroCDSP
April 15, 2008, 11:26 PM
Manufacturers will incur minimal costs to adopt the new technology. The
anticipated cost is to be between fifty cents and one dollar per
firearm.

I love this part about the microstamping. How the heck do they know how much it'll cost the manufacturers when the technology has not been industialized yet (it's still in labs), and they can't even explain what a barrel shroud or muzzle brake are, or how they make the gun more deadly? And should the semi-auto ban pass alongside this, what makes them think there will be anyone building or selling arms in the state anyway?

I also like the toy-gun wording. If your gun is anything other than scary, evil black, cold-blue steel, or a nickle-plated sissy pistol, you're going to jail.

At least the founders did something right in providing the senates to be a second chance against this stuff. Best of luck to all of you in NY.

God, grant me the strength to be vigillant and brave in the face of my own state's legislatures.

ctdonath
April 15, 2008, 11:32 PM
can't even explain what a barrel shroud ... is
According to one famous NY representative, Ms. McCarthy, a barrel shroud is (and I quote) ‘a shoulder thing that goes up’.

MilsurpShooter
April 15, 2008, 11:36 PM
They try the .50 cal thing often, thankfully they don't put in an exemption for the Muzzle loaders and it "usually" fails in Senate.

This is the motivation I need to get off my Arse and get my pistol license though. Need to get my Uberti 6 shooters before they're not allowed any longer

zminer
April 15, 2008, 11:58 PM
Part of the text of A06525:

"Section 904 requires that retail dealers exclude persons under eighteen from premises where firearms, rifles and shotguns are sold, unless the minor is accompanied by a parent or guardian."

So gun shops are like pornographic video stores now? Oh wait, I forgot, these laws are for the children. :rolleyes:

Eightball
April 16, 2008, 12:09 AM
should the semi-auto ban pass alongside this, what makes them think there will be anyone building or selling arms in the state anyway?I think that's the point.

Let's just hope all the manufacturers of firearms force this crap to apply to their police, as well. It's for the children, after all.

Six O'clock Tactical
April 16, 2008, 12:56 AM
Okay, so I contacted my senator and said the following. Please forgive me, but I kind of jigsawed some of the things I saw on here together because I thought it sounded really good.

The text box wouldent hold enough for me to give any of you credit though... sry...:cuss:

"Dear Ms. Young,

It has come to my attention that there are several bills pending decision in the Senate which would, if passed, be an irreversable blow to the firearm community. Specifically these bills are:
A-76A: Mandatory firearms storage. This would essentially prevent citizens the ability to keep loaded firearms for any reason, including personal protection.
A-2772A: Prohibiting the sale of firearms boasting a bore greater than one half of one inch. This would include shotguns which are an essential tool for hunting considering New York already has laws banning the use of rifles for such activities.
A-2868: Prohibiting the posession of "disguised guns". This is such a broad definition that it would be impossible to police.
A-3451: The expansion of the ballistic registry system which, to my knowledge, has wasted twenty eight million taxpayer dollars without a single ballistics related conviction in return.
A-3447: Redefining armor piercing ammunition to include virtually every type of ammunition used for hunting game and achieving a humane kill, and finally (and most definately most disturbingly)
A-7331A: The prohibition of firearms boasting semi-automatic fire capabilities and detachable magazines. Not only would this ban approximately twenty million firearms, but it would also be extremely counterproductive as now the criminal element would technically be restricted to revolvers and other non-ejecting actions, leaving no trace behind for any detective to scrutinize when a crime occurs.
Please Ms. Young, do not let this attack on the Second Amendment continue any longer.
Thank you for your time.
~Jeffrey L. Ohliger"

tpaw
April 16, 2008, 01:47 AM
Are present gun owners grandfathered in, or does it now mean that if we already have semi-autos that we will be expected to surrender them?

MilsurpShooter
April 16, 2008, 02:00 AM
Are present gun owners grandfathered in, or does it now mean that if we already have semi-autos that we will be expected to surrender them?

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a7331


Section 4.

Amends section 265.20 of the penal law by adding a new subdivision e to
exempt from misdemeanor violation any person who lawfully owns, uses or
retains control of an assault weapon prior to January 1, 2009 and who,
prior to April 1, 2009: renders the assault weapon permanently inopera-
ble, surrenders the weapon to appropriate law enforcement or properly
registers the weapon with the ballistic databank.

RDak
April 16, 2008, 02:19 AM
WOW!! :mad:

Old Fuff
April 16, 2008, 10:03 AM
Everyone should remember that what you see here is what the gun-grabbers want to enact across the country, and at the federal level if they can. It represents the left-wing Democrats’ game plan for the whole country.

What makes a difference, at least for the time being, is because of the political climate in New York, they feel secure in voting for such statutes without having to worry about what the voters in their districts will do come election time - and in this they are probably right. New York City and the East Coast in general is the tail that wags the dog. :cuss:

While we should feel sorry (and outraged) about what is happening, it would behoove the wise to watch their own backsides. These gun-grabbing legislators are not restricted to New York, and will be found everywhere – even in my own gun friendly state of Arizona.

tpaw
April 16, 2008, 10:25 AM
[QUOTE]Amends section 265.20 of the penal law by adding a new subdivision e to exempt from misdemeanor violation any person who lawfully owns, uses or retains control of an assault weapon prior to January 1, 2009 and who,
prior to April 1, 2009: renders the assault weapon permanently inoperable, surrenders the weapon to appropriate law enforcement or properly
registers the weapon with the ballistic databank.

Does that mean if you register the weapon you can maintain possession of your semi-autos?

Old Fuff
April 16, 2008, 10:40 AM
Does that mean if you register the weapon you can maintain possession of your semi-autos?

Only until they go to the final step, and use the registration lists to confiscate them. Don't think that can happen? Ask our members who live in California.

tpaw
April 16, 2008, 11:00 AM
I'm inclined to think this is not going to be just a New York problem. If we all don't stick together nation wide and lobby, we all stand to face the same restrictions by the antigun politicians. We must try to cut the head of the dragon so the body no longer functions. Everyone should write their senators, and express their outrage. Our rights are being taken away a little at a time. I don't like the way this country is going. We need to take it back!
Stay in touch politically, and vote for the right people. Hopefully, we can turn this around and win back our rights as citizens, and not be dictated to like Nazi, Germany. I'm afraid that's what many of our politicians want. To make sheep out of the masses.

Nightwing
April 16, 2008, 11:04 AM
I know this is totally unrealistic, but it would be so cool if tens of thousands of gun owners just up and moved, and bombarded their local government with letters saying why they left. But we don't make statements like that anymore. We're lame.

Hawk
April 16, 2008, 11:07 AM
It says "rifle", and "rifle" has a very specific meaning under NY law:
Among other factors, a "rifle" has a rifled bore and fires metallic cartridges. A "shotgun" has a smooth bore and fires non-metallic cartridges.
So no, it will not affect shotguns in NY.
Thought so. Thanks.

On a tactical surmise: it would likely be unwise to contact one's representatives while precisely echoing the press release - in the (admittedly unlikely) event the rep knew shotguns were excluded it wouldn't do one's credibility one particle of good to exhibit reading comprehension issues.

I don't know where the original press release came from but it exhibits a degree of hyperbole I didn't associate with NYSRPA during my time in NY.

It does exclude muzzle loaders and does include a compensation provision which, by itself, would exclude shotguns as I doubt the state has the kind of cash surplus it would take to "buy" all those scatterguns. If it did, the state income tax would be history and the toll booths along I-90 would be torn down. Fat chance.

The puzzling part is that the bill as written is plenty bad enough - I'm having a problem conceiving what could possibly be gained by misrepresenting the thing. There's nothing to be gained and much to be lost by taking a page from Brady's playbook and distorting things. The bill sucks out loud when described accurately; there's no point in "gilding the lily".


gild the lily
1. To adorn unnecessarily something already beautiful.
2. To make superfluous additions to what is already complete.

RP88
April 16, 2008, 11:29 AM
sounds like a response to Heller. Since NY 'sways the nation with its ideals', then I guess they're hoping to sway SCOTUS in some way. Or, they just keep trying to do stuff like this and just chose this day to try again.

Also, am I the only one seeing how mainstream the gun issue is again? All three candidates, every local news show, The Daily Show/Colbert Report, wtc. have had a whole week on guns. whats really funny is how most (not all, but alot of local news near me along with the Daily/Colbert report) seem weighing in favor of guns. I guess thats nice for now.

ctdonath
April 16, 2008, 11:38 AM
registers the weapon with the ballistic databank
Per existing ballistic registration in NY, this presumably requires sending the semi-auto to a central testing lab, at a cost of at least $50.

ctdonath
April 16, 2008, 11:43 AM
I'm having a problem conceiving what could possibly be gained by misrepresenting the thing.
By obfuscating the issue, greater confusion reigns - puting the onus of legality on those who want exercise rights, thus extending the practical prohibitions (few will do X if, while apparently legal, there still seems a good chance one will be jailed for it).

Precedent is there: the NY AWB, while an attempt at mirroring the thankfully-defunct federal AWB, was enacted via new vebiage that is full of errors, obfuscation, and uncertainty. Result? few exercise their right to AWs, and those who do, do so with fear and trembling - just how the leaders of the Empire State want it.

tpaw
April 16, 2008, 12:05 PM
NYSRPA

I have been a member of the NRA for many years but I'm embarrassed to say that I never joined the NYSRPA. Why, to be honest, I only realized recently that they even existed. Shame on me.
I'm joining as soon as I finish this post, and urge other New York State gun owners who are not members to join as well. It's a small fee for what seems to be a very worthy organization.
We need to protect our rights as gun owners, and this is a good place to start. By the way, I do not have any financial interest in the organization nor do I work for them. I'm just a regular hard working, tax paying Joe, who wants to maintain my rights as a gun owner, and not be pushed around by antigun politicians.
The number is 1-(518) 272-2654 or 1-800-469-7772.
There web site is: http://www.nysrpa.org/

Texan
April 16, 2008, 12:29 PM
I agree with RDak, WoW!!!

I can't believe what I just read and think the funniest one in the list of bill is:

A-9819A, requires "microstamping" on all pistols even though the technology doesn't exist.

Another surprise, at least for me, was MSNBC's reporter taking the stand he did in the interview.. ???? Outing her the way he did..

What are those people thinking anyway??? Reads like a scene from a Rod Serling book!!

o~\o

Downr@nge
April 16, 2008, 12:59 PM
wAit, isn't all this against the second ammendment which allows us the right to bear arms? Basically rendering this type of legislation, well, unconstitutional and illegal?

WayneConrad
April 16, 2008, 01:29 PM
Downr@nge, the 2nd amendment has not been incorporated. That is, it has not yet, via the 14th amendment's "equal protection" clause, been applied to the states. Therefore the states are allowed to infringe upon it.

In any case, the feds do routinely infringe upon the 2nd. Since those infringements are passed by the legislature we voted for, and approved by the courts, they are legally not infringements no matter what you and I think the constitution says.

Constitutional arguments are fun, but not where we get the most bang for our buck. Local legislative action is where we gain and lose the most ground.

Hawk
April 16, 2008, 01:43 PM
The New York state legislature finds that semi-automatic assault weapons are military-style guns designed to allow rapid and accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans.

Whereas assault weapons are semi-automatic firearms designed with military features to allow rapid and accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans.

lcav pdf:
http://www.lcav.org/library/model_laws/Assault_Weapons.pdf

I should probably be well past being capable of disgust or shock but isn't "NYS Assemblyperson" a paid position? And, if it is, shouldn't they do better than a near total copy-and-paste from a San Francisco advocacy group? Granted, LCAV encourages the use of their stuff by legislators too lazy and stupid to do thier own research / concoct their own lies but wouldn't the average grammar school teacher still "fail" the NYS Assembly for plagarism regardless?

It's not like I'm going to be the only one to notice - the phrase "rapid and accurate spray firing" is not only a glaring oxymoron it ... non-high road content redacted...

Got NewCalifYorkBayEmpireState?

Now I'm going to feel compelled to tiptoe through lcav's site - there's bound to be a "shoulder thing that goes up" in there somewhere.

FLA2760
April 16, 2008, 01:50 PM
This is so disturbing and I fear a warning of what may be coming for a good portion of our country. I see the timing here very suspect in that Heller is to be decided in the near future. I am an NRA life member and as others have said if you are not a member of NRA or your state's pro Second Amendment organization I urge you to join. These politicians are not stupid they know that these bills will do nothing to curb crime but everything to further their goal of making the United States of America like the UK.

#shooter
April 16, 2008, 02:08 PM
Go west young man, go west!

tpaw
April 16, 2008, 02:56 PM
Go west young man, go west!

Not the answer, this could spread like a cancer. Get politically involved and use your power to vote. Sometimes we can be our own worst enemies by just sitting back. I know, I sometimes took things for granted, but not any more. The antigun politicians are gaining a foothold that we may not be able to undo. They are like snakes that slither past you with their antigun agenda.
The only one's they are protecting are the criminals.

NYenthusiast
April 16, 2008, 03:29 PM
Thats it, when college ends Im gone!!:mad: So the bills have passed, but they are not laws yet correct?? dont they need to get through the senate?

tpaw
April 16, 2008, 04:03 PM
dont they need to get through the senate?

As far as I know they do.

mrreynolds
April 16, 2008, 07:52 PM
New York Anti-Gun Bills Head to State Senate!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356366

jjbduke2004
April 16, 2008, 08:51 PM
So is Cerberus going to pull Remington out of Illion if this goes through? The semi-auto law also applies to manufacture. (Although, I'm a little confused--are they changing the "evil feature" count? Would a Rem 750 or 597 be classified as an assault rifle under the new law?)

If Remington completely pulls out of Illion, taking many skilled union jobs with it (that ought to get the Dems' attention), I'm sure that town will disappear.

Perhaps a Barrett-style boycott might catch NYS's attention. Tell all the PD's: no 700's or 870's for you. See how the state will react.

Flyboy
April 16, 2008, 09:30 PM
A-3447, redefines the definition of AP ammo to include all frangible rounds....
"redefines the definition of AP ammo" to include ammunition specifically designed to minimize penetration in drywall, let alone armor.

Wow.

Rmeju
April 16, 2008, 10:20 PM
Frankly, I think the firearms industry needs to go a step further than that.

They should all stop selling all new guns of any kind to any government agency in states that are deemed by the industry association to have gone off the deep end. NY, CA, and coming soon, IL, NJ, & MA.

Then they need to put in all of the bulk contracts to the other states that they may not sell any of the weapons purchased to any state agencies in blackballed states, or to any person they should reasonably know would sell them to a blackballed state's agencies, under contractual penaly of <insert rediculously heavy fine here>.

Guns are evil and nobody should have any, right?

Reid

gc70
April 16, 2008, 10:29 PM
The firearms storage bill has been passed 16 years in a row by the state assembly without passing the senate?! That is persistence.

tpaw
April 17, 2008, 10:13 PM
The firearms storage bill has been passed 16 years in a row by the state assembly without passing the senate?! That is persistence.

Perhaps, but what about all the other bills that were passed by the n.y.state assembly? All ny gun owners should take note of what is happening here this time around. Some of the bills are off the chart, but they still passed them without even knowing what many of them mean! McCarthy (D-Liberal) was asked about a rifle part (shroud), and she thought it was something that flips up onto the shoulder!......:eek:

Renwyn
December 3, 2008, 07:12 PM
Did this ever go anywhere?

expvideo
December 3, 2008, 07:15 PM
Knowing they've advanced the cause of socialism, they sleep very well.

No animal shall sleep in a bed... with sheets.

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