Was this acceptable in your opinion?


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conw
April 15, 2008, 07:16 PM
Hey guys,

I had a somewhat negative experience today at the local range. I had recently decided to get my CCW, but have been open carrying here in NC for a couple months or so.

So I went in, signed up in advance for the class, and can now shoot for free for the next half year or so.

I struck up a conversation with one of the guys behind the counter, and mentioned that I had been OCing. This apparently started some process in him that resulted in some pantomiming...it was unsettling.

At one point in the conversation, he said "Yeah man, but if you don't conceal then anyone who wants your gun or money, gets it. If you conceal, they usually come up to you and flash the gun (he pretends he has a gun in his waistband and lifts up his shirt)...that's when you say 'HERE'S YOUR MONEY' and (he reaches toward his gun, openly holstered on the hip, and then turns his hand into a mock gun, points it at my head) says "BOOM."

He also, at another point, said "Dude, if you come into my grocery store, my shop, I'm gonna be like...whoa, you a bad dude. I don't know you're good, so you're bad. And I'm gonna be like, get out of this store now. (He reaches under the counter and gets out a Mossberg 500 tacticool and lifts it into partial view)."

This left me with a very bad taste in my mouth. If this weren't so convenient relative to my apartment, and the only place in town, they'd have lost my business. He wasn't an owner, but the owner's son was right there. This is unacceptable in my book, and very immature. What if he is in a questionable "defensive" shooting and I have a vendetta against him, and testify against him in court - say that he was a loose cannon when I encountered him at his workplace?

I'm not interested in doing that, but it seems like his behavior is unacceptable to others for a variety of reasons, and not the best behavior for his own good either.

Opinions?

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OMGWTFBBQ
April 15, 2008, 07:22 PM
Eh... I tend not to read too deeply into the ramblings of the guy getting paid $10/hr to man the counter.

Oro
April 15, 2008, 07:25 PM
Sounds like he was colorful and vigorous in his dissertation, but I don't see anything to get upset about. Lots of folks in the world, and we should tolerate their eccentricities unless they impinge on our freedoms. I agree he might not be painting the best picture of himself, but it takes all types...

ArmedBear
April 15, 2008, 07:25 PM
He doesn't sound like the Poet Laureate. However, he has some good points, actually. They might be worth considering, since the guy behind the counter at the store might be a lot more like him than like you.

...unless you are curious to know what buckshot feels like...

Walkalong
April 15, 2008, 07:28 PM
Eh... I tend not to read too deeply into the ramblings of the guy getting paid $10/hr to man the counter

Ditto. Morons everywhere. Let it roll off your back and enjoy your shooting there.

"Don't let the Bastards get you down". I wish I could remember the latin for it, but I am not as smart as my brother. (the History major who went back and got a teaching degree so he could teach college classes on the side for fun and a little spare change, as if he needed it. :))

illEagle
April 15, 2008, 07:29 PM
Well said kamerer.

+1

jsuttle
April 15, 2008, 07:29 PM
You have my support, I think people like this do more to damage the 2nd amendment than anyone else. It makes it difficult to make an argument for the need of CCW and gun ownership in general when you have people out there pretending it is a game. Sounds like the type of guy who gets shot with his own gun. Nothing as embarassing as psychos dreaming of the day they can get in a fight.

Oro
April 15, 2008, 07:32 PM
"Don't let the Bastards get you down". I wish I could remember the latin for it

From my history degree, I recall that being popularly bastardized as:

"Illegitimus non carborundum."

However, technically I think it's more "pseudo" Latin than grammatically correct. I've heard the when General Stillwell had to deal with the insane politics of dealing with the Nationalist Chinese in WWII, he kept that over his desk.

eventer289
April 15, 2008, 07:33 PM
Eh, refusing to give them business is a little extreme considering this was only one employee. I can't say I'd stop going somewhere because one employee was acted like an idiot.

mekender
April 15, 2008, 07:38 PM
im guessing this was a range in the triad area wasnt it?

Vodka7
April 15, 2008, 07:46 PM
Maybe I missed something, but you're upset because he pointed his finger at you while acting out a hypothetical robbery situation? Or you're upset because he said he'd tell someone open-carrying a gun to get out of his store, and showing that he was prepared to defend himself? I mean, when you open carry, everyone knows you have a gun, all he was doing was returning the favor. He didn't point it at you or even take it all the way out.

There's plenty of people here on THR who would agree with his first point. I don't know how you could consider him a loose cannon, but I wasn't there.

lonegunman
April 15, 2008, 07:50 PM
I am not a fan of open carry. I think it is for police wannabes or oddballs.

Nothing personal, but discretion as they say, is the better part of valor.

Besides, the look on the face of a scumbag when a concealed gun magically appears is pretty priceless. Why miss out on the best part of a gunfight?

btg3
April 15, 2008, 07:51 PM
Heard/read worse right here at THR.

Nevertheless, it's too bad that this range allows such a PR liability to deal with its customers. Some ranges should work a bit harder on their image in the overall interest of RKBA.

conw
April 15, 2008, 09:38 PM
Vodka7 et al,

I'm not "highly upset"...however, if the guy is to be taken seriously and (as others said) spread good PR for RKBA and the range itself, I don't think he should act like that. Heck, I wouldn't act like that if I were paid.

Ironically, three or four people who came in the place were OCing, as was the guy who said it was bad. Seems like people who are totally against it can always come up with scenarios where THEY should be able to do it, or cops should definitely have the right in their eyes even when in plainclothes. If you want to be able to do it at all, ever, support the right for everyone to do it all the time!

Whoever said OC is for screwballs and cop wannabes, it's funny, since lots of people say that about anyone who carries...period.

As far as the storeowners' responses and whether I want to test the effects of buckshot...I have OCed for a while here, as I mentioned, and the people who seem to be strongest against it are cops and CCWers. No one else seems to give a hoot.

Consider this post and the orig post I made rants, but I wouldn't act that way for the world. I can't understand why anyone would, and it seems a liability for a lot of reasons. Someone who seems to relish the thought of killing in defense and is dumb enough to openly talk about it to strangers gives me bad vibes.

conw
April 15, 2008, 09:42 PM
Oh, as far as switching ranges, I don't mean an all-out boycott or extended animosity. I just mean that it would have been a strike against them in my decision process to choose the best fit for me.

And, vodka, I wasn't even OCing at the time. HE was OCing, ironically, and I wasn't. Why he felt a need to show me his/their shotgun is beyond me. How about if I'd been like "Yeah, but then I'd be like...[and pulled out my knife 'just to return the favor some more']" - if I had been acting as thoughtlessly as him, the situation wouldn't have been nice. Sure, it's "his" establishment, but it is discourteous to act that way.

jakemccoy
April 15, 2008, 09:51 PM
ArmedBear wrote,
He doesn't sound like the Poet Laureate. However, he has some good points, actually. They might be worth considering, since the guy behind the counter at the store might be a lot more like him than like you.


Point taken...I'd chalk it up as a learning experience. Anti-gun people are actually worse than the guy in this shop. I'd rather learn this way than later in some hostile anti-gun environment.

conwict wrote,
Sure, it's "his" establishment, but it is discourteous to act that way.

Is it really his establishment? It sounds like he's the spoiled brat son of the owner.

conw
April 15, 2008, 10:01 PM
jake,

sorry if I was unclear; the owner's son was a pretty cool guy. No problem there. He was, however, witness to our conversation and didn't seem fazed by it.

This was a tertiary employee...when I said "his" establishment I meant, he is more rooted there than I since he works there.

Bazooka Joe71
April 15, 2008, 11:12 PM
He also, at another point, said "Dude, if you come into my grocery store, my shop, I'm gonna be like...whoa, you a bad dude. I don't know you're good, so you're bad. And I'm gonna be like, get out of this store now. (He reaches under the counter and gets out a Mossberg 500 tacticool and lifts it into partial view)."


Now, I'm not a fan of open carry, but no one else sees anything wrong with this statement? Last time I checked, "bad dudes" don't walk around with their gats visible...Granted, I see things different than a lot of other people, but when I see a guy/gal walking around a store or wherever open-carrying I think to myself, "well, if the bad guys do come, I have someone on my side."

I would expect that statement from your average Joe, but not someone working at a gun shop/range.

BruceRDucer
April 15, 2008, 11:15 PM
Hey Conwict, thanks for sharing the story.

Chalk this up to people who love, at all costs, to play the ONE-UPMANSHIP GAME with you.

No matter what you say, you're wrong, and he's right, and he's willing to engage in lots of melodrama to prove it.

Ask yourself this question:

If you had to pay 5 cents for this performance, would you have paid it?

[I wouldn't]

Of course, somebody might act out and victimize you precisely as described, but my guess is that the percentages are way in your favor. I think you should open carry, if the turkeys don't like it, let'em gobble.:) If I see someone carrying, I know there's one more man I can count on.

bogie
April 15, 2008, 11:44 PM
Open carry means that if there's an ambush scenario, you're the first body on the floor.

Open carry means that some folks may mistake you for a bad guy. That's just the way it is.

I would NOT open carry without a Darn Good retention holster.

hunterSthompson
April 15, 2008, 11:55 PM
uh i live in NC and thought open carry was not legal any way?

mekender
April 16, 2008, 12:00 AM
OC is legal in most of NC... you can OC in banks but not CC... you cant OC in any other prohibited CC places... the city of chapel hill has restrictions against OC of handguns under a specific length... other than that, its allowed

MIL-DOT
April 16, 2008, 12:07 AM
My opinion ? ( you did ask). I can't believe this scene generated a 7 paragraph complaint here on the World Wide Web. What's the deal lately with folks crying about how they were treated at the gunstore/show ? So the guy's a little goofy, who ain't?

FieroCDSP
April 16, 2008, 12:08 AM
Three words: Weapon Retention Drills.

If someone is in range to grab your gun from it's holster, they are within striking range for you. If they are going for your gun, you have every legal/moral reason to believe they are going to use it on you, and therefore your life is in immediate danger. This is not the time to be standing idly by. Both your hands are free, only one of the BG's is free.

If they've got the drop on you from behind, though, you have to decide whether your going to take the risk of reacting. Self-defense schools often teach these kind of scenarios.

bogie
April 16, 2008, 12:11 AM
I don't wanna worry about malinformed idiots who think that they wanna play hero and take the bad gun away from the guy. And I can't always keep my back to a wall.

If someone tries to grab your boomstick, and it goes off during an ensuing scuffle, who gets blamed? I HATE paying perfectly good money to lawyers.

Frankly, I'm old enough that I prefer to take the path of least resistance.

Besides, a kel-tec looks stupid if you wear it like a BBQ gun.

misANTHrope
April 16, 2008, 12:12 AM
I just see it as another gun store guy who's really free with his advice. They're out there in force- you've just gotta give it all a good hearing and squirrel away the nuggets that agree with you.

rs25.com
April 16, 2008, 12:19 AM
My local shop has a guy kind of like that. He said some pretty offensive stuff, and now my wife refuses to come in to that range any more. However, over time he's dropped the "macho" routine and seems pretty down to earth, and now gives me discounts on my purchases.

YMMV.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 16, 2008, 12:24 AM
Yeah, I'd slough that off - it's no big deal - just another semi-lunatic rant of someone in the general public. He didn't endanger you - just expressed his views in a rather odd and animated way.

His views on open carry are interesting to say that least. He is actually 100% dead wrong on open carry when he says "I don't know if you're bad or good if you open carry." Quite the opposite is true. Criminals are going to conceal until it's time to perform the crime. All open carriers are good guys - bad guys aren't gonna tip their hand by walking in someplace open carrying. Concealed carriers could be good or bad. But all open carriers are good.

conw
April 16, 2008, 01:49 AM
As far as someone physically removing the gun from my holster, unless it's Jack Bauer I don't think that's happening. I can throw an elbow pretty damned hard. It could actually be an advantage in a scuffle if someone tries to go for my gun, because I can grapple pretty well and am fairly strong. I also notice anyone within about 10 ft of me (at least!) and pay 'em good attention...if someone has enough training to get it from me easily, I'm pretty well screwed huh? Good thing most people who'd be insane enough to try to steal a holstered gun don't train with special forces...

The guy was talking about someone sticking me up for my gun, which seems like a plausible but not likely scenario. Kinda like "you'll get taken down first in a massacre," it seems to be mostly hypothetical. I agree that if I were a psycho, which I'm not, I'd look for any openly armed people in the vicinity and off them first. But, frankly, I'm just not seeing any real life proof of this kind of stuff. It's conjecture. Situational awareness is king, and trust me, with a piece openly on your hip you can't afford not to be aware.

bogie, if this is a bbq gun...

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/03/court-guns-and-bbq-guns.html

I agree that keltecs aren't it. But neither am I. I have a cheap uncle mike's sidekick holster, and it works for me. Doesn't look too bad IMO. Tidy if nothin' else.

Anyway, the gun's out of commission right now, and no OC. I have no holster for my beat-up Colt Army Special.

yongxingfreesty
April 16, 2008, 01:56 AM
nothing to get upset over. he just giving you ideas of what can happen. he has a point, but do as you wish.

jrfoxx
April 16, 2008, 01:59 AM
I like how the guy, who is currently OPEN CARRYING goes on to say that if you open carry, people will assume your a "bad guy" and might shoot you, or that the thief might shoot you first. If he really thought that were the case, then why is HE open carrying? Isnt he afraid someone will see his gun and shoot him, just like he says will happen to others? Oh, I guess heas a super ninja and doesnt have to worry about that when OCing, only other people who do it have to worry....
:rolleyes::banghead:

If OC is such a bad idea for many reasons, why is HE doing it?

Six O'clock Tactical
April 16, 2008, 02:05 AM
he must be new and feeling the "bad assedness" of working in such a testosterone-junky place of employment.

people like that are nothing to be upset about, just bask in the knowledge that you arent creepy.

conw
April 16, 2008, 03:16 AM
jrfoxx and six o clock tactical,

You're right. It's like what I was saying about the right to OC. People want to pick and choose their rights. This guy wants to be able to OC at the range and is ok with others doing that, but if you're not in his club, too bad. He probably doesn't care if other people get to carry at all...long as his butt's covered.

bogie
April 16, 2008, 03:30 AM
Guys, it's not about macho. It's just about common sense. I do not wish to be hassled. I do not wish to be the possible target of Joe Bystander thinking that he's going to take down a "terrorist." I don't feel like scuffling or swinging elbows or anything of the sort. I feel like just smiling, and happily going about my business.

USMC 1975
April 16, 2008, 08:13 AM
In my 50 years of life I have finally come to the conclusion that:

" The more I know about people, the more I love my dog ".

The guy behind the counter is probably a nutjob, but you get what you pay for.

Chris

mtnmedic11
April 16, 2008, 08:19 AM
I usually dont like the randoms I run into at the range and shoot on a private hunk of land for the price of mucking a few horse stalls...I like the horse crap better than the dudes like you ran into.

buzz_knox
April 16, 2008, 08:23 AM
Open carry may or may not be a problem depending on where you are at. In areas where open carry is common, you don't hear the disaster tales or concern. Where open carry is uncommon, you get actual instances of trouble.

GRB
April 16, 2008, 08:27 AM
I see it this way. It is not your store, it belongs to someone else who lets this guy work there. Why complain to us and not to the owner of the store. Your coming here to vent is kind of what the guy in the store did, he was venting in a way about all the dirt bags and how he would handle them. And he vented about open carry on the street, but at least did it to your face. I wonder, did you even tell him how you felt? Maybe he could have explained in quite rational terms why he said what he said, and did what he did. Maybe not, and then maybe you could have explained to him, in rational terms, why you disliked what he did. Then maybe he would not do it again. Venting here is one thing, but it will not likely change, or allow to be explained, the behavior you found distasteful.

When I see a goober of a gun store clerk doing what I beleive is the wrong thing, I either bring it to his attention, or to the attention of the management in the great majority of cases.

All the best,
Glenn B

GRB
April 16, 2008, 08:29 AM
I see it this way. It is not your store, it belongs to someone else who lets this guy work there. Why complain to us and not to the owner of the store. Your coming here to vent is kind of what the guy in the store did, he was venting in a way about all the dirt bags and how he would handle them. And he vented about open carry on the street, but at least did it to your face. I wonder, did you even tell him how you felt? Maybe he could have explained in quite rational terms why he said what he said, and did what he did. Maybe not, and then maybe you could have explained to him, in rational terms, why you disliked what he did. Then maybe he would not do it again. Venting here is one thing, but it will not likely change, or allow to be explained, the behavior you found distasteful.

When I see a goober of a gun store clerk doing what I beleive is the wrong thing, I either bring it to his attention, or to the attention of the management in the great majority of cases.

So no, I do not in my opinion find what you did, or failed to do, to be acceptable.

As for the gun store clerk, his actions and words were not anything wrong in and of themselves, but do seem rather a goofy form of machismo.

All the best,
Glenn B

conw
April 16, 2008, 02:33 PM
Glenn,

The beauty of the net is that I can rant and rave and at worst just get a calm, logical response from someone like you :p

Seriously, it's a one-time thing. If it happens again I will either vote with my wallet or complain. I may have overreacted, but there's no accounting for emotion. The guy just really rubbed me the wrong way.

I'm glad I didn't complain about him, and I'm not regretful that I ranted here.

In part, I wanted to start a discussion about how people handle this kind of situation, which makes it something a little more than rant (though not much).

As I expected, people either
a) complain about it on threads like this
b) complain to management
c) don't worry about it
or d) somehow change their habits if it bothers them, either by shooting alone or avoiding the goons.

conw
April 16, 2008, 02:36 PM
Oh, and as for whether I told him how I felt, I didn't bring up his acting tendencies. I didn't think to at the time, hence the rant here.

But I did disagree with him on a logical basis, and just tell him that in my experience he was wrong and that situational awareness is perhaps underrated in his world. I was questioning whether people here found his behavior acceptable. And I will decide whether to complain, pending further analysis in real life.

I am not passive aggressive...I swear...

*mumbles under breath*

buck00
April 16, 2008, 04:14 PM
At one point in the conversation, he said "Yeah man, but if you don't conceal then anyone who wants your gun or money, gets it. If you conceal, they usually come up to you and flash the gun (he pretends he has a gun in his waistband and lifts up his shirt)...that's when you say 'HERE'S YOUR MONEY' and (he reaches toward his gun, openly holstered on the hip, and then turns his hand into a mock gun, points it at my head) says "BOOM."

He was illustrating the likely outcome if an armed perp decides to rob you and you are OCing vs CCW. What part of it don't you understand? :scrutiny:

Are you offended he expressed a different opinion?

Obviously its your right to patronize another location, but different opinions and advice are part of America.

Clipper
April 16, 2008, 04:15 PM
As that great american, Sgt. Hulka said, "Lighten up, Francis"...

conw
April 16, 2008, 06:56 PM
Buck,

That actually isn't what happened at all. Read closer.

;)

There will be a quiz at the end of class!

Catherine
April 16, 2008, 11:15 PM
Quote:

I am not a fan of open carry. I think it is for police wannabes or oddballs.

~~~~~

Holy moly!

Sometimes I am really amazed at what I read on PRO gun, PRO liberty and PRO Second Amendments boards.

Hey, whatever trips your trigger in opinions, liberty, self defense issues and firearms!

Catherine prefers Open Carry.

Catherine now continues to mutter to herself... sigh and lament.

WayneConrad
April 16, 2008, 11:39 PM
I am not a fan of open carry. I think it is for police wannabes or oddballs.

Nothing personal, but discretion as they say, is the better part of valor.

Besides, the look on the face of a scumbag when a concealed gun magically appears is pretty priceless. Why miss out on the best part of a gunfight?
The best part of a gunfight is not having a gunfight at all.

Let us suppose that open carry may be a deterrent. Just perhaps. Would that not be a whole lot better than a big surprise?

Even if not, one on the hip is quicker to deploy than one hidden in the waistband.

I don't know what to say about being called a police wannabe or oddball. I think I'll just ignore that. Come to Arizona, see what it's really like in the land of open carry. It's not what you think.

To other posters, about gun grabs: Gun grabs of non-cops who open carry, don't happen. Ever. Document instances of it happen don't exist. If they do, they should be easy to find a news account of. I think the press would drum that right up, don't you?

Catherine
April 17, 2008, 12:21 AM
I have another thought here too.

NO offense. Okey dokey? Choose to read it or NOT read it. We all have free will and for now... we are a FREE people.

I happen to think that OPEN carry, CONCEAL carry and ANY type of CARRY should be "LEGAL".

I must be a real old fashioned "ODD BALL" because I happen to THINK/BELIEVE that the Second Amendment means EXACTLY what it says just as our Founding Fathers wrote it!

But hey... we all have opinions and opinions are like snowflakes... they all DIFFER.

Catherine who thanks God for her God Given Right To Self Defense which is backed up by the "Second" and who chooses to Open Carry because for now she lives in a FREE STATE.

I think that EVERYONE should OPEN CARRY withOUT having legal problems even though it is LEGAL in their home state as one gentlemen mentioned in another thread where it was LEGAL but they SCREWED the citizens of that state!

Open Carry and/or conceal carry should be allowed by the politicos, with their PAID protection, their special rights where they THINK that THEIR LIFE is worth more than YOUR LIFE or YOUR LOVED ONES!

If an anti gun person does NOT want to own or carry or shoot a firearm... no one is FORCING that gun into an anti gunners hand.

If a PRO GUN person wants to carry open... go for it. I think that if more people did this... you would not have all of these 'confusing' thoughts by so called gun people or NON gun people.

I think that if you CHOOSE to open or conceal or NO carry... whatever trips your trigger. YOUR CALL. YOUR LIFE. YOUR DECISION.

I made my choice.

My groom/husband carries concealed and OPEN. HIS choice and it depends on where he is.

Respectfully yours,

Catherine
PS: I feel very SAD for the people who have a law where is says that Open Carry is LEGAL and the LE, the court system, the politicos DEFY that law and make those people PAY using their God given right to self defense which is backed up by the SECOND and the 'LAW' in THEIR STATE! That is so VERY wrong - so very wrong. Those people who hurt those open carry people think and act as if they are ABOVE THE LAW! That is very wrong and sad!

Catherine
April 17, 2008, 12:26 AM
Dear Wayne Conrad,

I happen to think that Open Carry helps combat crime in many ways. I think that it helps combat crime BEFORE a criminal or perp thinks about doing the dirty deed with FULL intent! I agree with you there.

Thanks and take care.

Sincerely,

Catherine = Real Name
Armed and Female
Montana = Real Place

Catherine
April 17, 2008, 03:04 AM
My husband just said that people who think that something is 'wrong' with Open Carry are 'warped'.

He carries open and concealed. It depends on the situation for him. Sometimes he does BOTH at the same time especially OFF the beaten path.

He thinks that open carry deters crime.

My husband does not belong to this board so I wrote this for him. My late husband felt the same way as I do about these issues and so does my groom/husband of 2 years.

I can't imagine being married to a man who had NO clue about the Second, the God given right to self defense for yourself, your loved ones, a stranger in need, your dog and in defense of your country from foreign and domestic enemies.

He just got home from the office (24/7 job.) so I was telling him about this thread. Time for a late snack and a John Wayne movie now.

Night...

Catherine (Catherine's husband too!)

Robert Hairless
April 17, 2008, 11:16 AM
I like open carry because it's good to know where to find another gun. I also like it because it helps keep bad people focused on the real threats instead of diverting their attention to harmless old people like me who just want to be left alone. My life's goal is to be 120 and sit in front of a television set with crayons while coloring inside the lines. If God wanted me to be macho he got the formula wrong.

As for the incident that's supposed to be the topic of this thread, what does it matter? It's not a romantic relationship or one that promises a lengthy association. You got six months of free range time because you registered for a course. You didn't get an introduction to Miss Manners or even to me. If the employee's talk bothers you, don't engage in conversation with him. If some annoying patter distracts you from what should be your real focus, work on your focus. A dancing elephant wearing a pink tutu while doing the fandango and waving a parasol is at worst a peripheral matter when I'm focused on a goal. Imitate me: be an insensitive clod, don't concern yourself with inconsequentials, and just get the job done without a lot of fuss.

safetyjoe
April 17, 2008, 01:11 PM
From where I'm sitting after reading the OP's story, I'm thinking the employee is a Maroon. If the guy would have wanted his opinion on open carry he would have asked for it. The whole thing bothered him in a way that it wasn't a real big deal but he wanted to vent a little to like minded people. I need to vent once in a while and it's nice to be able to do so to get things off your mind. As someone else quoted: Lighten up. Jeez.
As far as open carry, no one asked for my opinion on it, so I wont burden anyone here with it, but I open carry only when I'm at the range or hunting. If I see someone open carrying, I give them a wide berth. Read into that what you will.

Safetyjoe out.

conw
April 17, 2008, 01:25 PM
There once was a gent with a bent
Toward sharing his wonts on the net
So he logged on the web
And shared his advice
With a lad who found it quite nice.
And although his post
Was of the first rate
He had not a hair on his pate.
The lad liked the logic
And took after the gent
Who shall be known to all as "Bald Bob."

MarcusWendt
April 17, 2008, 01:34 PM
You were clearly in the wrong. Here is where you screwed up"

I struck up a conversation with one of the guys behind the counter

:D

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