Which sub-compact .40 would you get?


April 15, 2008, 09:45 PM
For concealed carry .40, what would you go with, and why?

I have it narrowed down to these three:

Springfield XD 40 sub-compact
Glock 27
Kahr PM40

...Or would you go with something else?

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April 15, 2008, 10:43 PM
My wife has the XDsc9 and I love it. I am thinking of trading in my Service .40 for a sub compact .40.

April 15, 2008, 10:46 PM
My 10+1 P40 is light, thin, snag-free, dependable and accurate. You can buy a whole lot less for a whole lot more, and most people do.


April 15, 2008, 10:47 PM
Got the 27, so far I'm very happy with it. Make sure you get the mag finger extension from Priece. Finishes it up nicely...

April 15, 2008, 10:50 PM
Of the ones listed, Glock 27. I'd prefer an MK40 over any of the three listed, though.

April 15, 2008, 11:03 PM
None of the Above. I'd get a Hk or Sig in the .40 caliber

April 15, 2008, 11:36 PM
None of the Above. I'd get a Hk or Sig in the .40 caliber

I have a Sig P229 .40 and love it, but it's a little too big to carry concealed with my normal work attire.

April 16, 2008, 12:38 AM
i have a xd sc .40 and that is what i reccomend. they are reliable accurate and except the higher cap mags with the mag sleeves.

if you are gonna get a kahr i suugest that you go with one of the steel framed models. i have the k 40 and i can equally reccomend them as well. they are accurate, reliable, have a nice trigger, and i have never had an issue with it or the xd sc.

the mags for the kahr are expensive but for a carry gun you really don't need that many i have 3 and that gets me by.

the mags for the xd are less expensive and easier to find.

April 16, 2008, 12:43 AM
I have the GLOCK 27 and like it a lot. Got it after having my GLOCK 23 for awhile, same basic platform so it is easier to transition between them. Also got an Advantage Arms Conversion Kit for the 23.
Trying to stay with one reliable platform (GLOCK) and one caliber (40 S&W).

April 16, 2008, 01:36 AM
p2000sk :). especially if you're a lefty.

April 16, 2008, 02:22 AM
Why do you say so if you're a lefty?

April 16, 2008, 03:00 AM
I vote "None of the above" how about a CZ 2075 RAMI ?

April 16, 2008, 03:08 AM
Why do you say so if you're a lefty?
Because the H&K P2000 pistols have ambi mag and slide releases.

If you're shooting .40 out of a smaller handgun you should probably consider something with better ergonomics built into it. From personal experience I'd say the XDsc or a P2000sk would be your best bet. I've owned a G27 and while it's a tad lighter and shorter than the other two, it starts to hurt after a shooting a few magazines worth of ammo. I personally like my .40s to be somewhat robust in design. For example, that KelTec P40 looks like it wouldn't last longer than 5k rounds. I'm not saying they can't last longer or that it's a terrible gun because I don't own one, but I can only imagine that it's not quite as solid and built-up as a an XD, H&K, Sig, etc. A steel Kahr isn't a bad choice either.

April 16, 2008, 08:37 AM
I checked PM40. If you go this route, get the MK40. You'll be glad for the extra weight.;)

April 16, 2008, 09:25 AM
I have the Glock 33 (.357 Sig), but I am planning on get a 27 barrel for it. Great little gun w/ a lot of firepower!

April 16, 2008, 10:02 AM
I've got a Glock 27, so i voted for that. I like the amount of customization you can do, for me it's little things since I am no gunsmith, but I've got a 9mm conversion barrel for it, a pair of Concealable Control floorplates, some +2 floorplates, G23 and G22 magazines, Hogue grip for it, and holsters for it are almots certainly going to be easiest to find for it out of the three.

That said, I'm with treo, the CZ 2075 RAMI is on my wishlist.

April 16, 2008, 10:19 AM
I voted XD it's what I carry daily. It's also the most accurate 3" pistol I have ever fired. 1911 grip angle, 10+1 with the Pierce extension, never failed to go bang, and I can conceal it with just a t-shirt. I have a Sig 229 as well and I simply can't carry it concealed. (I'm tall and skinny) :)

April 16, 2008, 10:40 AM
I voted Kahr because it is easier to conceal, but I prefer the XD SC. I have one in .40 and it is great. I don't carry it really, but goes along in the car a lot. I keep the sleeved full sized mag in it when I do, but can swap it with the compact mag if I get out and take it with me for a short stroll (gas station etc) My 3" CDP is just as easy to conceal, is thinner and more comfy to carry any length of time, is a .45, and a 1911, which I prefer.

April 16, 2008, 12:37 PM
Wow, I hadn't looked closely at the CZ 2075 RAMI. That's a pretty cool gun. Anyone have experience with one?

And those who like the MK40 over the PM40, what are the reasons? I assume the heavier gun will be nice for reducing recoil, that's a plus. But does the heaviness make it harder to carry for long periods of time? I guess the same concern would apply to the CZ 2075 RAMI as well.


April 16, 2008, 12:42 PM
I'd take the 239 over any of your choices.

April 16, 2008, 12:45 PM
I chose the PM40 since I feel the Glock 27 and SA are closer to mid-size guns. If I need a small gun that is easy to conceal but still packs a whallop the PM40 is my best bet. The only place I can carry a G27 is on my hip (pockets ain't big enough on my pants)...and I would rather have a G23 than a G27 as they carry about the same for me.

April 16, 2008, 12:50 PM
XD-40. I cannot say enough good things about mine. It has at least 2,000 rounds through it without a single malfunction. As others have stated, it is very accurate for a 3" gun, in fact I think I shoot better with this than my full-size 1911 and Beretta 92! I have shot the Glock 27, and although it functioned well, the trigger guard kept slapping my middle finger in a weird way. I've never gotten along with Glock sub compacts, they just don't fit my hand very well.

My XD-40 SC goes with me everywhere. I conceal it in an IWB holster when I wear a long shirt or coat, I throw it in my backpack when I'm at my office, and it sits beside my bed at night with an X-treme Mini light clipped on the rail. (The Glock does not have a rail). Anyway, the XD is durable, accurate, extremely reliable, and comfortable to shoot. You won't be disappointed.

J Lambs
April 16, 2008, 01:27 PM
On the list, I would choose the XD sub for shooting, which I have in 9mm. But for carry, I also have the MK40, which is much easier to CCW that the XD.

April 16, 2008, 01:38 PM
HK P2000sk is nice.

April 16, 2008, 01:45 PM
QUOTE:"Wow, I hadn't looked closely at the CZ 2075 RAMI. That's a pretty cool gun. Anyone have experience with one? "

I own one, we bought it for DW but it just wasn't a good fit. So I stole it from her ( I bought her a CZ82 to replace it) I love mine it's accurate, it conceals easily & I never thought it was heavy.

MAKE SURE YOU GET GOOD MAGAZINES we almost got rid of it because we had a bunch of FTFs until we got new mags

Ruger Redhawk
April 16, 2008, 02:13 PM
I've been using a Glock M-27 for my primary carry gun for over 10 years. It's a nice little package easy packin'

April 16, 2008, 02:20 PM
I don't carry right now, but my G27 with Pierce extensions and Lasermax are ready for service.

April 16, 2008, 02:25 PM
My wife has the G27... loves it.

I've carried it on occassion, and I like it to. Shoots well, reliable, small, and holds 9+1.

April 16, 2008, 02:26 PM
Hey Waldo, how do you like the lasermax? I'm considering saving up for a laser of some sort, and I really like the lasermax internal lasers, but they have gotten different reviews. Some people swear by them, others, especially people who haven't used them, seem to feel the lasergrip option is far better.

April 16, 2008, 02:28 PM
Been carrying my Glock 27 since 2001, no complaints. I have the Pierce pinky rest and a G23 magazine as a reload.

April 16, 2008, 02:35 PM
Glock 27, to be united with my G35 & G23.:neener:

April 16, 2008, 02:36 PM
I'd take the 239 over any of your choices.I concur.

Of the three choices presented, I'd probably take the XD. It points better than the Glock for me, and it's less likely than the Kahr to have issues.

I do not care for the CZ Rami; it's too chunky for a subcompact.

April 16, 2008, 08:14 PM
Glock 27, without a doubt in my mind.

Glock: Though the others might be reliable, the Glock shines above the rest when it comes to a history of reliability AND awesome DURABILITY, for sure.

Glock: a MULTITUDE of aftermarket parts, and easy to find replacement parts.

Glock: Simple to operate with few parts (especially outwardly), and thus less likely to fail, when you compare it to the others with all the bells and whistles. Simplicity trumps all when it comes to a weapon that you're going to use in a HIGHLY stressful life and death situation.

Glock: Simple and quick to take down and clean.

Glock: You can get a pinky extension if you're not comfortable with the stock grip.

Glock: You can easily heat up the back of the grip and push in that "hump" if the angle is too much for you. That "hump" is there because of the hole in the bottom-rear of the grip, so one can more easily grasp the magazine in case it ever gets jammed up there for whatever reason. Glocks were made for chaotic combat, and this is just another plus.

Glock: You can get 29 round magazines for the .40 models. :D

April 16, 2008, 09:27 PM
XD40sc with 9 rd and a 12 rd mag. Pearce grip extension for the little finger on the 9 rd mag.

Later add 9mm conversion barrel and use same .40 cal mags for plinking. Suggest using actual 9mm mags if carrying for self defense.

You will not regret it.

April 17, 2008, 12:30 AM
Glock 26 baby!:D

April 17, 2008, 02:44 AM
kahr mk40

i wouldn't do the PM unless it was a PM9

April 17, 2008, 02:47 AM
Springfield XD 40 sub-compact is one of my CC's,in fact it was my 2nd XD of purchase,I can conceal it easy enough...love it as much as my XD .45's.

April 18, 2008, 05:48 PM
I just got rid of my XD9SC, not a .40, but the same size. Quite top heavy and rather unwieldy. The grip is also a bit longer than the G26/27/33, which makes it more difficult to conceal.


I've been carrying a g27 for quite a while, though.

I am not a fan of the XD's, and I did give them a shot by buying one.

April 18, 2008, 06:16 PM
Why anyone would want to carry XD-sc I can not imagine. Heavy. cumbersome. yeeecchhhh....

Kahr is the way to go. Why? Because it's highly accurate, lightweight, stows well, thin, or at least my CW9 is...I voted Kahr PM40.

someone said PM9 and not PM40, whatever, but never gave the reasons why.

Opinions without reasons are unfounded opinions.

And isn't a Glock 26 9mm only? And isn't the 27 double-stack mag in 40? When will Glock ever learn?

I don't GET IT. :banghead::fire::what::cuss::barf::banghead::banghead:

April 18, 2008, 06:16 PM
i carry a cz 40p but sure like the looks of the rami

April 18, 2008, 06:19 PM
sure, carry a gun that weighs a lb and a half or more, empty.

April 18, 2008, 06:29 PM
Actually none of those m y son has a Taurus PT140 and it shoots when you pull the trigger, every time.

April 18, 2008, 07:16 PM
Why did you not include the M&P40c? Excellent firearm, good warranty, fantastic customer service, $50.00 rebate and 2 extra mags until 4-30-08.

I own one and love it, sold my XD40SC after buying the M&P.

April 20, 2008, 02:46 AM
True, the M&P is another contender...

I borrowed a buddies G27 for a week and really liked how it disappeared. Very concealable. I assume only the Kahr would be more easily concealable out of the ones mentioned in the thread. I'm not in love with Glocks - they seems so blocky and utility-ish compared to my Sigs, but you know, that Glock may be just what I need for my sub-compact concealed carry weapon.

@BlenderWizard - thanks for the comparison pics. That XD does seem top heavy - and long grip/short barrel.

Thanks for everyone's input. According to the vote, the XD has edged out the Glock and the Kahr has been nearly doubled by the others.

April 20, 2008, 07:18 PM
One thing AGAINST Kahr is that their reliability is spotty at best.

April 20, 2008, 09:22 PM
HK P2000sk.

April 20, 2008, 10:56 PM
Thanks Rayden, I'll check out the HK before I buy this week. Looks pretty nice as well.

April 21, 2008, 08:53 AM

April 21, 2008, 09:27 AM
One thing AGAINST Kahr is that their reliability is spotty at best.

True of the older models; however, the 4 I've had (including a PM40) have been flawless. Mags are expensive though...

April 21, 2008, 09:59 AM
+1 for CZ2075 RAMI in .40

My carry of choice.


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