Some Hypotheticals and a Follow-on Question


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javacodeman
April 16, 2008, 10:22 AM
Lets assume the following (hypotheticals):

1) Heller upholds individual right to keep and bear arms
2) Heller upholds in a way that allows for the challenging of other gun laws
3) Machine gun ownership is eventually deregulated due to Heller

Now for the questions:
1) Which machine gun will become the "standard" that all of us that don't want to go through the BAFTE hoops currently and/or don't have the green to buy one of the limited guns on the market?

2) What calibre round will this "standard" gun shoot?

3) Is this calibre round currently on the market at a very inexpensive rate?


Background: I was thinking this morning while getting ready, "Man I sure want to get a machine gun when they become available"--hope against hope. "When I get one, I'll have to have loads of ammo to practice and to be zoombie ready. I wonder if that ammo is currently available very cheap and will then be very expensive due to all of us like me stocking up once we get our machine guns. I wonder if I should stock up now--take a risk that I'll buy the wrong ammo, but at a lot better price."

Any thoughts?

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Conqueror
April 16, 2008, 10:31 AM
Even if 922o is reversed, the NFA will not be and you'll still have to jump through ATF hoops. Why would there be a "standard" machine gun? Buy whatever machine gun you want, be it 9mm or .50BMG.

javacodeman
April 16, 2008, 11:31 AM
Let me clarify: My current understanding is that no machine produced after xxxx date can be purchased/owned by a civilian.

If you read my post, the NFA might be done away with using the Heller ruling.

If this happens, new machine guns would be open for civilian purchase/ownership. My question is (if you can look into the future), what would be the standard (most common) caliber machine gun.

Is this a crazy question?

There may be more than one answer, but let's look at it from a hand gun perspective: the standard calibres (most common) today would arguably be 9mm and .45. I'm not saying that .38, .40, .22 aren't out there with their owners that would champion them, but the 9mm and .45 are probably larger in number.

Back to the "new machine gun" assuming my previous premises laid out, what would be the most common caliber(s)?

Henry Bowman
April 16, 2008, 11:36 AM
3) Machine gun ownership is eventually deregulated due to HellerJust opening up the register (eliminating 922(o)) would be a significant "deregulation."

If you read my post, the NFA might be done away with using the Heller ruling.That would be WAY down the road, if ever.


But playing along, I expect that a low cost round (like the .22LR) would be quite popular for converting $$$ into sound. It is hard to feed large numbers of rimmed rounds, however, so a new, low cost (rimless) round might be developed.

Tommygunn
April 16, 2008, 11:39 AM
The Heller ruling will apply to Washington D.C. and only to Title I firearms.
I do not believe SCOTUS heard anything about Title II guns, therefor the court will remain silent on that issue.
The main effect Heller will have on the U.S. will not be to invalidate gun control laws per se, but only in the ramification the decision will have as precedent in any future cases throughout America where gun control is an issue.

Conqueror
April 16, 2008, 11:42 AM
My question is (if you can look into the future), what would be the standard (most common) caliber machine gun.
And my answer, again, is "whatever people want." New machine guns are still being made in just about every military caliber and several non-military calibers. If 922o was repealed, some people would buy new M16s, others would buy new AKs, others would buy new MACs, and others would buy new M2s. It would be as difficult to find a "standard machine gun caliber" as it is to find a "standard rifle caliber" right now.

sacp81170a
April 16, 2008, 12:50 PM
My question is (if you can look into the future), what would be the standard (most common) caliber machine gun.

Just basing it on what would be the most fun and shootable, I'd say the guy who comes up with a reasonably priced .22 lr minigun will make a ton o' money. At least, that's what I'd want to find under my Christmas tree. :D

(We can dream, can't we?)

LaEscopeta
April 16, 2008, 01:33 PM
Given the current interest and sales of AR-15 and AK type weapons, Iím guessing select fire versions of these rifles will be the most common new machine guns, if 922(o) were eliminated. Also guessing .223 versions would slightly outpace 7.62 x 39 mm and .308 versions.

Prince Yamato
April 16, 2008, 01:36 PM
Look at the black rifles people buy. Now imagine all of those in select fire... those are going to be the popular guns. AKs, ARs, and FALs.

Dope
April 16, 2008, 01:42 PM
To semi-answer your question, I would expect there to be a lot of 7.62x39 and 5.56 machine guns. A lot of pistol calibers/conversions too I would imagine.

Dope

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