Which Small 9mm To Get? Down to 3 Choices...


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MadMercS55
April 16, 2008, 02:10 PM
Have been looking to get a small 9mm pistol for a few months now. Have it pretty nailed down to one of 3. They are, Glock 26, XD SubCompact, and the S&W M&P 9c. I'm very familiar with the Glock, but not so much with the others in their compact formats. Any big pros and cons would be great. Not sure which direction to go, so any/all opinions would be great.

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gilfo
April 16, 2008, 02:22 PM
Look into the CZ Rami. I have the Poly version. About same size as a Glock, alittle heavier though about 23 oz. DA/SA hold 10rds. I love mine.
Good luck all the pistols you mentioned a very good choices, just wanted to add mine suggestion as I was looking at the same models you mentioned.

Papaster
April 16, 2008, 02:24 PM
IIRC, both Glock & XD can accept the higher cap mags of their bigger-brother counterparts. I don't believe the same is true of M&P, but could be wrong. This may or may not be worth consideration for your purposes. S&W & SA both have great marketing offers going right now, with the free mags/other gear & rebates, but I'm sure you know that. I personally love the ergonomics of the S&W.

Dahwg
April 16, 2008, 02:25 PM
I would go with the XD- just feels right in my hands, I think they're a step up from glock. The trigger pull on those things is amazing. The grip angle makes a big difference and they seem to be more accurate. That said, a lot of people don't like the grip safety on the XD. Best bet is to try them both and find out what fells best to YOU.

For the record, I'm not an XD fanboy, my sidearm of choice is my CZ P-01. :evil:

blackcash88
April 16, 2008, 02:45 PM
Don't forget the Kahr PM9. I have one and it's been very reliable and accurate.

19-3Ben
April 16, 2008, 03:59 PM
IIRC, both Glock & XD can accept the higher cap mags of their bigger-brother counterparts. I don't believe the same is true of M&P, but could be wrong.

I respectfully must inform you that you are indeed wrong. I have both the full size and the compact. The compact takes full sized mags with no problem. they are very compatible platforms.

I LOVE the ergos and the feel of the M&Pc. It's also fantastically accurate.

everallm
April 16, 2008, 05:51 PM
+1 on the RAMI. also comes with 14 round mags if that's your preference.

asiparks
April 16, 2008, 06:17 PM
As a fan of the CZ I tried an early steel framed rami. Nice but heavy. I haven't handled the poly version.
I would have said Glock 26 ( i have one ), or 19, but I shot the compact S&W M&P 9 the other weekend and was very impressed with the ergonomics, construction and accuracy. Tempted to pic up the 45 version that has the 1911 style safety....

Lobotomy Boy
April 16, 2008, 06:21 PM
I have a 26 and love it, but would be happy with a M&P or a the XD. I picked the Glock over the XD because the XD is slightly larger (the Smith wasn't on the market yet). If I was making the choice today, I'd consider the new Walther PPS because it is smaller than even the baby Glock.

Any of these (including the CZ) are good guns, though I can't vouch for the Walther PPS yet because it is too new and I haven't shot one.

Daggertphi
April 16, 2008, 07:00 PM
I have the xd-subcompact and love it. When I shot the Glock it felt a little loose in my hand. I was also more accurate with the XD. I would have to say the decision maker for me tho was the loaded chamber indicator and striker-status indicator. I'm familiar with handguns, but my fiance is not, so those two features left me with more peace of mind. The free XD gear was a nice side feature, including the mag-holder, speed loader, and the 16 rd mag with grip extension.

Great feel+great shooting+free gear=Happy day!

Ken Rainey
April 16, 2008, 10:22 PM
Not saying anything bad against the other two, but based on my experience with the Glock 26 I'd have to recommend it. It's a proven, simple, durable, dependable, amazingly accurate little pistol with plenty of hoslters designed for it. It's very easy to learn to detail strip, and parts (if ever needed) are inexpensive and easy to replace, overall, it's just about ideal.

As always, YMMV...;)

Northalius
April 16, 2008, 10:30 PM
Dahwg, on another forum (TFL) a guy who bashed Glocks for so long finally bought one for his [supposedly] "expendable travel gun," and when he brought his Glock 26 to the range, he said it was actually more accurate than his XD9sc. At the end of his shockingly suprising unbiased review of the competition between his XD and Glock, the Glock 26 came out on top in his "point system" he had for the competition.

If you don't like the grip angle (it's that way for a reason, which I'll get to in a sec.) then simply heat it up over a candle (when it's fully UNLOADED of course), and push it back.

That "hump" is there, because GLOCK put a hole on the bottom-rear part of the Glock pistols' grip, so a soldier could put his finger inside to more effectively grasp the magazine and pull it out, in case it ever got jammed up there. So, you see, that "hump" is there for a tactically sound reason. ;)

Anyway, I agree, go check them out for yourself; go to a range where they rent guns and rent them all out, then make your decision.

P.S. if you think the G26's grip is too short, then simply get a pinky extension. But better to have a shorter grip option, because you can effectively ankle-carry the G26 without the pinky extension, if you ever want / need to. ;)

Bear2000
April 16, 2008, 10:32 PM
I have a CZ Rami and like it a lot - nice and solid in the poly frame. BUT to be honest, I'm considering a Keltec PF9 or possible a Ruger LCP for carry purposes.

J Lambs
April 16, 2008, 10:38 PM
I have the XD Sub and I love it. It is my most reliable handgun. That being said, I am contemplating getting the M&Pc with my stimulus rebate.

MadMercS55
April 16, 2008, 11:14 PM
I have some trigger time on a friends G26 and it felt like it was going to "pop" out of my hand. He didn't have the pinky extension on his and I'm going to try that before making a decision on the G26. I've only seen the XD subcomp and M&P in photos. I checked one local store today and found only fullsize versions. I'm off over the weekend and will check out a couple more places here that should have them in stock. Hopefully I can find some rental XD & MP's to get some time on. I'll also see if I can find a CZ Rami to handle.

10-Ring
April 17, 2008, 06:25 PM
I really think Glock did its best work in 9mm and the G26 is one of the nicest shooting subs made today, plus the potential of 33 round mags makes for a fun shooter :cool:

jgo296
April 17, 2008, 06:34 PM
g26
unless you plan to ankle carry i would seriously suggest looking into the glock19

Marshall
April 17, 2008, 06:42 PM
I like an XD better than both of the other pistols, in the service models. However, for a subcompact, the Baby Glock is hard to beat.

MarcusWendt
April 17, 2008, 06:55 PM
XD or the M&Pc. Both are superior weapons to the Glock.

blackcash88
April 17, 2008, 06:59 PM
Pee Emmm Niiine

Anna's Dad
April 17, 2008, 07:01 PM
I'm not a Glock fan and haven't owned one. I have owned both the XD and M&P and much prefer the M&P.

I find it more comfortable and I am much more accurate with it.

former-redberet
April 17, 2008, 07:09 PM
As someone who owns all three (not subcompact but compact or fullsize) the glock is the superior. The M&P is right behind it and the XD isn't exactly trash either. They are all quality... just feel then all in your hand and pick which one you like the best.

Babalouie
April 17, 2008, 07:35 PM
As far a functionality and size they are equal. The XD and M&P have different grip angles than the Glock. Its going to come down to a tough decision. As someone once said...if your in love with two girls marry the pretty one...and beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Good luck :cool:

Lucky Strike
April 17, 2008, 07:42 PM
I considered all 3 and chose the XD

I shot the XD and Glock and handled all three.....XD just felt the best and I liked the grip safety

R&J
April 17, 2008, 07:51 PM
Our experience with three Glock pistols has been excellent! Reliable as hammers; accurate as the shooter can be; durable as you could ask--they do everything very well!

With no breakage or repairs, our three Glocks have performed as follows YTD...

G21: 10/2005, 10,500 + Rounds .45 ACP, 2000 + Rounds 10 mm

G19: 12/2005, 8,500 + Rounds

G17: 06/2006 11,000 + Rounds

Funny, I don't find them ugly any more! ;)

--Ray

Quiet
April 17, 2008, 09:46 PM
Out of the three, I would go with the Glock Model 26.
For me, Glocks are more accurate and reliable than the XD series.

Another subcompact 9x19mm handgun, you should consider is the Kahr Arms PM-9.

BlenderWizard
April 17, 2008, 09:52 PM
My vote is for the Glock. i had an XD9SC up until about 2 weeks ago, and I just didn't like it. It's high bore axis made it very top heavy.

Here's a comparison photo:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/BlenderWizard/guns/2guns.jpg

See how much higher the top of the slide is on the XD?

Oppy
April 19, 2008, 12:38 AM
I don' recall hearing anything bad about any of the ones mentioned throughout this thread - Glock26, XD9SC, or M&P. At the end of the day pick what feels best to you (one of these or others), shoot them before you buy (if you can) and I am sure you will be very happy with whichever you decide.

The bore axis comparison may be an valid, but if we are talking about millimeters of difference, I am not sure how that would override proper hand grip etc. But I'd rather leave that discussion to those who can do the math:confused:.

Some may carry better than others (IWB for instance), so that could be a consideration for you.

Have a great weekend all.

hinton03
April 19, 2008, 04:57 AM
Why not look at the pistol that defines the small 9mm market....Kahr.

LawofThirds
April 19, 2008, 05:03 AM
Like noses, sometimes you have to pick your own gun.

Old Guy
April 19, 2008, 08:50 AM
When picking a pistol for self defense, the pure job description "Self Defense"
says it all.
Concealing/shooting accuracy/on board capacity, so take the with extension, and without on the magazine, reference accuracy.
At seven yards, no difference in accuracy, none, with half your fingers hanging off the end (one hand shooting) feels weird as heck, but no difference in accuracy than with the extension. So ankle holster is just fine.

One of my co-workers, Security Officer, Carry's the twenty six as his on duty gun, it fits all his old Glock holsters! no hang stuff on the rail extra bit, and the G17 magazine I gave him as a spare beats the wee baby ten rounder he had.

In running a few of the old Black Talon WW rounds through my G26, they averaged just over 1000 FPS, the best being 1026 FPS, and quite an impressive profile in the ballistic Gel.

I watched Chris Edwards (with a G26) of Glock, shoot the top score in a IALEFI Annual Training Conference a few years ago, awesome! over 200 firearms instructors from all over the World taking part (including yours truly!) I shot my G17, he cleaned our clocks. He did not win the match, as an industry rep he was not eligible, just shot for interest sake, he still out-shot us never the less!

Not bad for a pistol that can fit in a on belt camera case.

DawgFvr
April 19, 2008, 03:00 PM
Too bad you have to carry it in a belt camera case...cuz it's waaaaayyyy too wide: read thick...for IWB carry. I mean, really, it gives Block a bad name.
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I mean, come on, just compare the ultra wide G26 magazine compared to the slim, trim Kahr mag:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/DawgFvr/Kahr%20K9/g26p9magfront.jpg

MadMercS55
April 19, 2008, 07:50 PM
Well, finally had off today and checked out the XD9 Sub comp. It was nice, but was just too "bulky" overall. Couldn't get into the feel of it. Tried a rental as well, 100rnds later, I still didn't really like it. I handled the MP 9C as well, no rental available for it yet, and it may be in my future. I went to the range today with a group of friends, one of whom was selling a Kahr CW9. I put 100rnds through it and loved the thing. It's by far pretty much exactly what I've been looking for but had overlooked Kahr entirely. I picked it up with an IWB holster and 4 mags for a decent price. He was selling a few of his guns due to a recent divorce and lawyer fees, etc. I also bought a Sigma 9VE in the deal too (not sure what I'm going to do with it). Not too bad either way. The Kahr will complement my SW 642 for summer time carry and it's super thin.

blackcash88
April 20, 2008, 02:41 PM
How did you overlook Kahr? SEVERAL people recommended them, including myself in the fifth post of YOUR thread. :rolleyes:

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