Shot Placement versus Caliber?


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k_dawg
April 16, 2008, 02:28 PM
Remember the old arguement about which is more important? Shot placement, or Caliber?

TAMPA, Fla. Doctors say it's amazing that a 41-year-old Tampa-area woman survived after someone shot her right between the eyes while she was riding in her boyfriend's pickup truck.

Doctors think she was hit with a .44-caliber bullet that broke in two pieces, each traveling under her skin and exiting behind her ears last weekend. She was released from the hospital hours later with just stitches.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351472,00.html




Guess we were ALL wrong!

Simply amazing...
:what:

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shdwfx
April 16, 2008, 02:45 PM
Brick-chopping Karate experts are wusses.
This woman splits .44 bullets with her fore-head!*

Medusa
April 16, 2008, 02:46 PM
I do remember a case, years ago, that a guy had cancer in brain and decided to kill himself. So he shot himself in the head. When he later woke up in the hospital it turned out he had shot the tumour and it was all in pieces and removed. So he got rid of the cancer. I woulnd't say it's a reliable treatment though.

Mr White
April 16, 2008, 02:50 PM
If one could do that reliably, just imagine how many bar bets they could win!

"Go ahead, shoot me. I'm serious. If I live, you owe me 20 bucks. If I die, you can keep whatever's in my pockets."

Eric F
April 16, 2008, 02:55 PM
About 20 years ago I was working in a Rescue squad, an eight year old shot his twelve year old sister in the fore head the bullet did almost the same thing but it never came out. It hit directly in the fore head and scirted around between the skull and the skin and stopped just above the ear.
Some times it is not caliber or shot placement but more about bullet design. I am willing to bet in these two cases a flat nose bullet would likely end with death in both cases.

springmom
April 16, 2008, 03:09 PM
:what::what::what:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351472,00.html

Hit between the eyes with a .44, the bullet has enough energy to leave her head, break the back window, and hit a Jeep behind her....and she lived.


Springmom

Eric F
April 16, 2008, 03:11 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356511

this person beat you to it by a few minutes.

Old Fuff
April 16, 2008, 03:17 PM
Well I understand that some wimmin is pretty hard headed... :neener: :D

Spyvie
April 16, 2008, 03:56 PM
If this story isn't evidence of divine intervention I don't know what is.

RockyMtnTactical
April 16, 2008, 03:57 PM
It's a fluke, nothing more.

Dahwg
April 16, 2008, 04:06 PM
oops, posted on this too.. I did a search but it didn't come up. :o

steveracer
April 16, 2008, 04:30 PM
Guy in Norfolk got shot in the side of the head. The bullet worked its way around the back of his skull, exited the other side, broke the car window, and lodged in a tour bus. (what are tourists doing in this awful place?)
Anyway, that particular .45ACP round was fired by an acquaintance of mine. He had to shoot the guy in the chest to kill him.

Ske1etor
April 16, 2008, 04:36 PM
Cop was once shot in the forehead with a .25acp. Bullet didn't even fracture his skull, cut his forehead open though.

As we used to teach in the spook business, carry a .25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it you may shoot it. If you shoot it you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody - and he finds out about it - he may be very angry with you - Jeff Cooper.... lol

HK G3
April 16, 2008, 04:37 PM
The woman in the article MUST be related to Chuck Norris in some way, shape, or form!! :neener:

CWL
April 16, 2008, 04:40 PM
Once again, goes to show that NO handgun caliber is guaranteed to be effective.

Double Naught Spy
April 16, 2008, 04:58 PM
I do remember a case, years ago, that a guy had cancer in brain and decided to kill himself. So he shot himself in the head. When he later woke up in the hospital it turned out he had shot the tumour and it was all in pieces and removed.

Internet/urban myth, and not a very good one at that.

As for the caliber being a .44, who is to say? The docs can tell the difference between the wounds of a .40, .41, .44, .45, etc. based only on the wound? I highly doubt it.

Technosavant
April 16, 2008, 05:00 PM
Sounds like a fluke. Good for her. But for every one of these, you can find somebody who was a one shot stop and DRT (Dead Right There) when hit with a .22 short or a .25acp.

No firearm (handgun or long gun) is an instant death ray.
No single hit will incapacitate and kill 100% of the time.
No single hit is guaranteed to be "just a flesh wound."

Shot placement, power of the round, and followup shots if necessary are what is needed.

Thankfully this woman survived. I would not wish to try it again in any caliber. But if defending yourself, that firearm isn't a Star Trek phaser set to kill. It throws projectiles, and those can do strange things when they hit their targets.

Buzztail
April 16, 2008, 05:29 PM
The woman in the article MUST be related to Chuck Norris in some way, shape, or form!!

HAHAHAHAHA...

AdamSean
April 16, 2008, 08:54 PM
Don't forget to take account for reduced velocity from distance of travel and the fact that it had to go through the windshield. If it was within the usual distance, I don't think she would be here right now.

Biker
April 16, 2008, 10:23 PM
Shot placement is always the number one factor. However - and I take every edge I can get - bigger bullets make bigger holes.

Biker

SoCalShooter
April 16, 2008, 10:26 PM
Sometimes it just aint your turn to die.

Bezoar
April 16, 2008, 10:32 PM
actually this is why in world war one the combatants were forced to put copper and lead jackets on machine bullets by the hague after enough soldiers were walking off the fields after taking AP bullets, without a lead jacket to fragment, through heads.

ironic to jsp or jhp, but "put an expanding layer on them AP bullets boys"

trickshot
April 17, 2008, 12:04 AM
Sometimes things happen that don't make any sense. Life if full of mysteries.

I know a man who was shot in the head at point blank with a 38. He walked into the emergency room, a doctor operated and removed the bullet, and he walked out of the hospital. Maybe some people really do have thick skulls?

shdwfx
April 17, 2008, 12:25 AM
...bet a 9mm would have just bounced off. :rolleyes:

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