A Pro-Gun Political Party... In Britain


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Fosbery
April 16, 2008, 02:09 PM
Thought I'd let you all know about a new comer on the political scene in the UK: the Libertarian Party (http://lpuk.org/). It's no relation of the US Libertarian Party, except that they stand for very much the same thing.

They stand for, in the long term, the wholesale abolition of restrictions on small arms. In the short term, they propose legalising less-lethal self-defence tools like pepper spray, tasers etc, legalising their carry, removing restriction on knife carry, introducing concealed carry pistol permits, legalising handguns, self-loading rifles and 'assault shotguns' and making firearms certificates simpler and easier to get. They would also remove muzzle loading guns from firearms certificates so that anyone could buy them anywhere.

So after their first term you would need to get a permit to own guns (no serious criminal history etc) like you do now, but if you met the requirements the police would have to give you one - right now it's up to their discretion. It would also be issues straight away, rather than needing to wait 3-6 months like you do now, and you would not be required to keep your guns locked up. You could then buy whatever you wanted, except machineguns, rocket launchers etc, and guns wouldn't be registered. You could then get a CCW permit (with a small training requirement) and carry your guns concealed. Anyone would be able to buy pepper spray etc and carry it without any kind of permit, same for knives.

They're very small, and only been around a since January, but growing :)

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G36-UK
April 16, 2008, 02:35 PM
Sounds nice. There might be a couple near me, I'll have to check it out.

I doubt such a progressive firearms policy will go down well here though.

Dope
April 16, 2008, 03:25 PM
That's better than my state's laws. How sad is that?

Dope

nplant
April 16, 2008, 03:30 PM
I hope for the sake of my friends in the UK that this gets a groundswell of support. You guys have been taking a pretty bad beating in the past decade or two, and I'm glad to see some organization (sorry, organisation) finally trying to put it to the Queen's men on the subject of rights.

Good luck, and keep the faith.

woodybrighton
April 16, 2008, 03:34 PM
give them a look see but there right up with me winning the lottery and they getting any serious power:fire:

The Viking
April 16, 2008, 04:35 PM
Question for the British members here: Am I right to believe that muzzleloading firearms were unregulated up until a year or so after Dunblane? I remember reading an article from a british newsrag (probably a tabloid) lamenting these horrible engines of death and destruction of cute puppies.

everallm
April 16, 2008, 04:43 PM
If they are a single issue party then the UK will continue to be S.O.L.

Dow they have any other manifesto points, trade liberalisation, EU membership, tax etc?

42
April 16, 2008, 04:48 PM
finaly a party I can support and this year will be fun aas it could brung a hung parliament so small parties could have power.

LAR-15
April 16, 2008, 06:13 PM
I believe Australia has a successful Shooters Party that actually has seats in their parliament.

Good luck

Fosbery
April 16, 2008, 06:21 PM
If they are a single issue party then the UK will continue to be S.O.L.

Dow they have any other manifesto points, trade liberalisation, EU membership, tax etc?

Oh not at all. Read their manifesto (it's on the left hand side of their site) and guns are only mentioned once, and they only say they will legalise handguns and less-lethal stuff. I don't think they're making a big thing of the other stuff until they've started to attract some attention. They have policies in every other area I can think of, their main policy right now is abolishing the income tax.

If you missed the link above their site is http://www.lpuk.org/

serrano
April 16, 2008, 06:30 PM
I believe Australia has a successful Shooters Party that actually has seats in their parliament.

Good luck

With the current state of Australian gun laws I'd hardly call them successful.

neviander
April 16, 2008, 06:43 PM
If Great Britain repealed the ridiculous gun control laws they now have in place, I would be a happy man...and I live in Texas!

What a fantastic example that would be for the rest of the socialistic gun grabbing "iggernots" in the rest of the world. More guns, less crime WOOT!

Australian Shooter
April 17, 2008, 07:29 PM
LAR-15, you are right, the Shooters Party holds two seats in the upper house of the NSW parliament. Not the federal parliament. I believe this is better because gun laws are technically a state issue in Australia. Like the SSAA, their numbers are also steadily growing.

Poper
April 17, 2008, 07:38 PM
With the current state of Australian gun laws I'd hardly call them successful.
Give them a chance. They're just getting started and have a lot of momentum to overcome.

As the old sayin' goes: "Ya' gotta start somewhere sometime!"

At least they have made a start!

GO AUSSIES!
:)

Poper

Rachen
April 17, 2008, 08:28 PM
We should set up an email link with them right now this minute and update them with all our nra and other activist activities. like I said in a post I made many months ago, we have superior technology at our disposal in our fight for our rights.

Lets use it. Set up a sister forum or something with them so we can have unhindered communication.

CountGlockula
April 17, 2008, 08:42 PM
You should get some support from the NRA.

Australian Shooter
April 17, 2008, 09:32 PM
Here is the link to the Shooter's Party website http://www.shootersparty.org.au/

matt87
April 17, 2008, 09:50 PM
A party after my own heart to be sure and they would certainly get my vote and full support.

Interesting point about the possible hung parliament... but just how many candidates will the UKLP have standing, in which constituencies, and how likely are they to win?

romma
April 17, 2008, 10:08 PM
The journey of thousand miles begins with the first step!

Give Em' hell Britain!

bluto
April 17, 2008, 10:20 PM
Well, this is very heartening news. It's exciting to even think of our brethren in the U.K. and (eventually) Australia getting their right to bear arms back. As has been said, what a great example to the rest of the world (including/especially our own U.S. politicians) that the fundamental right to self defense goes hand in hand with the ability to own firearms.

I'll check the website to see how I can send money.

Wow, "All donors must be registered on a UK electoral register". Does that mean I can't send in a contribution?

matt87
April 17, 2008, 10:28 PM
I expect it's to prevent the various dodgy dealings that have gone on with the mqainstream parties, or at least reduce them.

Mk VII
April 18, 2008, 07:35 AM
Am I right to believe that muzzleloading firearms were unregulated up until a year or so after Dunblane?

No, modern production ones were treated like any other firearms.

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