[flibuste]

Anyone knows about this gun :

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Big-Old-Army-Ruger-item-17579.html

?????????

[Tommygunn]

You sure that ain't a photoshop gun??:scrutiny::uhoh::rolleyes:

[mykeal]

If it's a doctored image it's a damn good one.

I've never seen such a gun, either.

[Voodoochile]

That'd be one heck of a cap & baller there.

Even though I don't see it doctored I bet it's a fake.

[JayC]

Ruger Walker?

[flibuste]

It is real and not a fake but I do not have any more info................

[Pancho]

Now that is a gun on steriods.

[4v50 Gary]

Custom gun. Ruger grips but new frame and cylinder. The rammer looks like it's the original (as does the barrel).

[Pancho]

440 Euro sounds reasonable for a custom gun that looks that good.

[arcticap]

Here's a copy of a free French to English computer translation of the auction webpage by www.freetranslation.com :


purchase to 1.000,00 €
Bid in course Number of objects: 1

Fine: 4 days, 09h:15m:54s
Number of bids: 8
Current bid: 430.00 €
Reserve price: Yes (not attains)
Better encherisseur:
philippe27 (100.0%)

Direct purchase to 1.000,00 €

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See the questions déja put

Salesman Salesman: mousticos (92.9%)
Total of the evaluations: (14)
See the other objects of this salesman
Location, expeditions and accepted paymentsCountry: France (59153)

Conditions of sending and fresh of delivery:

The buyer pays the delivery expenses
Services of proposed deliveries:
Recommended Colissimo for a cost of 15.00 €
Do not dispatch to the international one

Expedition conditions: recommended colissimo assured to his value put back against signature

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Starting date of the bid: April 13 2008 - 14:08
Fine of the bid: April 21 2008 - 14:08

Object descriptionI sell a Big Old Army ruger, arms that was worth to the purchase 10000FRS be a little more than 1500€

in very good state, this gun was appraised and there is a reserve price (that will not be unveiled on naturabuy)

this is a piece of collection trés rare, it not some has that some copies, which in fact a very coveted piece of the collectors

of course it pulls

arm of 8th one to black powder

I am at your disposal for all pieces of information, except the price!

I put a photo with the ruger "normal" by way of comparison

Good bids

Obligatory mention: Arm of 8ième Category.
The put questions to the salesman

Q: 13/04/2008 Beautiful Tres arms, and in fact rare tres,, small just detail, legislation, it is in 4th CAT (arms has percussion on cheminees of non HISTORIC conception)
It etait in fact in 8th CAT, and has recu a classification in 4th, as the PISTOL 1873 SAA (the one of manufacture UBERTI, with cylinder has cheminees)
Another detail etrange of our legislation on the weapons
Question of enzo78

R: 13/04/2008 I have to look for, turn and return the question, on all the sites, and I did not find anything, being affiliated with the antac, I asked the question and I received the following response; 8th category, arms to black powder
what one gives me the exact item, site, mall, paragraph that talks about us this gun powder black in 4th
Following the gunsmiths, it is be in 8th, be in 4th, this is at the voucher to want of each.
Has my under prefecture, they also replied me 8th category, when I went to declare it! !!! and they did not want to hear about these corridor noises
therefore I remain on the version of my under prefecture and lawyer of the antac

Q: 14/04/2008 Yes this is the probleme of the legislation FRANCAISE, there was a placement has day, the texts are on the basis of the items of the ministere of the interieur, continuation has judgements, with confirmation of the FFT (done verif on the weapons of 19th conception, but not HISTORIC)
Example, if you had one TO TOBOGGAN P08, has a blow (on a basis percussion has cheminees,chargement by the mouth in powder noir)et well you would have a P08 black powder, has a blow, in 4th cat (and yes stupid), for has the conception, 19th siecle, (arm armericaine "western"), it did not exist any P08 has load by the mouth ...therefore, this is not a weapon "HISTORIC" therefore, no classification in 8th
The RUGER did not exist to the 19th siecle, you had pricipalement the PISTOL WALKER 44, the PISTOL 44 ARMY 1860, the NAVY PISTOL callus 36, etc etc, that are them.. in 8th classification cat, for they existed really has this epoque.
I think also as the good classification of the RUGER, is the 8th cat ... but .... not for our legislateurs, non-specialistes ...
I am ok with you, this is an "aberation", of all facon this is a beautiful tres arms, a good deal, the simplest one and the more turn sour for you, is to sell it has a marksman with license FTT
The weapon is really beautiful tres, of big tres precision, this is a true weapon, and not a simple replique
cdt
Question of enzo78

Q: 14/04/2008 Hello, 5 years ago this weapon was classified in quatriéme, but in front of this abération them authorities reviewed classification, it is well classified in cat 8 now!
Question of perfex10

R: 14/04/2008 Hello, and thank you for this precision, that goes in the same direction that the lawyer of the antac, it is damage that I do not put back the hand on the document. One grants us guns to cartridges to black powder in 8th and fills, one would classify a black powder to fireplaces in 4EME.
For my party, the response of the lawyer and of my under prefecture suffices me.
greetings

Q: 14/04/2008 I had a ruger, I sold it (unfortunately) apres q'il is reclassified in cat 8
This is the most beautiful weapon of not at all than I have u in hand, the your is a wonder!
Question of perfex10

R: 14/04/2008 Yes, this is a wonder, I myself in separates to against heart, for I not some will rediscover more, to leaves mine, I some know a lot.
A need of € for another purchase obliges me to some to separate me
Damage!!!
thank you for your interest
cordially
Charly

[mike101]

Didn't our friend Arthur Rex Rochelle claim to be making a stretch Old Army, and a stretch Remmie? :D

Maybe we could convince Magnum Research to make us a BP version of this thing.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/BFR.asp

[SAKOHUNTER]

Now that's pretty slick!

I wonder how much it weighs?

[scrat]

So that would be like trying to make a gun bigger than the WALKER. my guess is you would need a tripod to shoot it. What the walker only weighs 4 1/2lbs at almost 16inches can we get any bigger. Im not tooo sure i see the logic on this

[SAKOHUNTER]

A standard OA weighs 3.19 lbs so I bet this big one would be close to a Walkers weight.

By the looks of the cylinder I bet you could cram about 70 grains of 3f in it.

Wonder how much of that charge would be wasted with the 7 1/2 barrel.

[mike101]

Depending on barrel length and caliber, it weighs between 4.5 and 5 lbs.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_specs.asp

[Timthinker]

This thread has caused me to wonder what companies could construct unique black powder revolvers such as the "Ruger Walker" depicted here. Obviously, any custom caplock revolver will prove expensive to produce, but it could meet the criteria of the purchaser in a way no other firearm could. I hope some of our other senior members can answer this inquiry.


Timthinker

[Old Fuff]

Revolver makers (as well as other manfacturers) take a concept, estimate the costs of designing, tooling, and making the concept; and then make a market study to see if the number of potential buyers would make the whole thing profitable. That's what Ruger did for example, prior to bringing out their new pocket-sized .380 pistol - and I think they will sell a zillion of them and it will do very well.

Cap & ball revolvers represent a very small part of the overall market, and a speciality model like an updated Walker would only be a small segment of that small market to begin with. So in theory to make money they'd have to charge a very high price (example: the USFA New Model Remington) which would constrict sales even more.

So the probable answer is that a larger manufacturer wouldn't likely touch a Walker-like revolver with a ten-foot pole, but a small shop custom maker might. If so, expect to pay very big bucks to get one.

There is another possibility. Someone might take the present Walkers and retrofit and replace the fragile lockwork to make a more reliable "shooters model." Again expensive, but far more likely.

[Rachen]

Nice, but pointless.

Most of the powder would be wasted if that cylinder is loaded to the max, not to mention generating excessive recoil.

[Rachen]

Ruger Walker?

LOL!!!:D:D

[scrat]

Yep Rachen.

It may look really cool but i think you would have to have at least a 10 inch barrel otherwise your just loosing the powder out of the barrel.
That or your getting a mighty big flame as it burns out the barrel not propelling the bullet any longer.

[scrat]

Quote:
Ruger Walker?

LOL!!!


They just want their own club

[bigbadgun]

RUGER WALKER thats blasphemy.
The 2 dont even compare. However everyone knows that I am not a fan of the ROA BUT that is a revolver I would like to get my hands on for a day just to put it errr me thru the paces.
Interesting concept but damn that thing is huge. I bet it kicks like a mule. BUt I think it would be a fun toy to play with for a day. 1000 euros is alot of US dollars.
Ok I dont want it for a day I want it for 2 hours.

[Pancho]

I think I'd want it drilled for a stock and a longer barrel.

[Timthinker]

The existence of the "Ruger Walker" depicted in the photograph demonstrates that a customized caplock revolver can be produced, but at a high price. I wonder how many gunsmiths in the internet age advertise their ability to create such customized works. It is a point worth considering.

The term "Ruger Walker" seems fitting here since the Walker was a truly massive caplock revolver. And so too is this beast. I hope this brief explanation justifies my use of that creative term.


Timthinker

[arcticap]

One purpose for having a longer cylinder might not even involve loading that much more powder which would only be wasted though.
That long cylinder provides the option to load it with longer & heavier slugs too. Maybe that would allow it to be used for more hunting applications than with the original cylinder design...especially as a back-up against dangerous predatory game animals. Maybe it could be loaded with a huge volume of shot, or stuffed with several projectiles per chamber...or a combination of shot & ball or a buck & ball load, who knows? (Maybe Rachen could even invent an incendiary device for it! :D)
Plus those longer chambers might allow more velocity to develop independently of the barrel length, so they would share the same velocity increasing result as having a longer barrel.
I wouldn't be surprised if the designer/builder chronographed the additional velocity potential of this "improved" ROA to justify its existence.
Every BP gun has powder inefficiencies anyway, so why not just admire and imagine about how much fun it would be to shoot such a unique specimen?
Maybe creating another purpose for such a gun should really only be an after thought, since it may have been intended to be more of a display piece and a collectible anyway.
But as long as it shoots, then it's up to the owner to find any hidden benefit that may be built into it's design, whether it's real or only imagined. :)

[Pancho]

It would be nice to know who modified the gun, better yet it would be too much to wish for if the new owner would hear about our forum and give us a range report.

[Rachen]

(Maybe Rachen could even invent an incendiary device for it! )

:DHey man, that really got me thinking. Do they have tracer rounds for blackpowder???

[biermkr]

Think Roman Candle

[Rachen]

Think Roman Candle

LOL! Are you talking about those CAS shooters who use 'special balls':D in their pistols to make the night look like Lunar New Year?

[biermkr]

yes sir!!

[arcticap]

Hey man, that really got me thinking. Do they have tracer rounds for blackpowder???


How about using it as a longer range grenade launcher! ;)

[razorback1010]

Ruger Big old army

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Anyone knows about this gun :

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Big-Old-Army...tem-17579.html

?????????

Je vois que la question a traversé l'Atlantique, mais qu'il n'y a pas plus de réponses que chez nous. Ce Ruger reste un mystère...

If you consider that gun as being a custom one, 1000 Euros is a cheap price, it must have cost at least the triple to build. But what would you buy it for ? To me, it looks like a powder-wasting heavy monstruosity.
Anyway, I think Articap has a point here when speaking about "longer and heavier bullets", but how to load them ? The notch in the frame doesn't seem able to allow the loading of anything but "normal" sized bullets. If you need to disassemble the cylinder in order to load, a hunter's use seems out of question.

[Pancho]

Razorback, You bring up an excellent point but loading a cylinder off the frame is not that uncommon. We humans have a fascination with the absurd.

[razorback1010]

Razorback, You bring up an excellent point but loading a cylinder off the frame is not that uncommon. We humans have a fascination with the absurd.
Yeah, that's why we so often spend centuries to build something nice just to destroy it in a short and violent war...:rolleyes:
And the size of the loading press to accommodate such a cylinder...must be a really handy thing to carry in the woods :neener:

[arcticap]

Who would have any extra time to reload? :D

http://www.okavangoboating.com/gALLERY/images/swazi_lion.jpg

http://www.okavangoboating.com/gallery.htm

[Pancho]

When you say reload, are you talking about the gun or my pants. Those two would not find me very tasty but I'd be dead before they found out.

[flibuste]

Some more info on the BIG ROA :

There was an gunshop advertisement on it in a French gun magazine "Cibles" in 1996.
If that could help to gather info on this gun

Regards

[Fiveshooter]

As already mentioned. It looks to have more room for powder than it has barrel to burn it. It may do well with a heavy conical. That presents another problem. There is not enough room to under the loading port to load a really heavy (long) conical. You would have to remove the cylinder and use a custom loading ram. If power from the old army is what one is after I suggest a five shot in a larger caliber like the one in the link below. It is still a custom gun and not cheap but it offers a lot more power in a cap lock revolver. I like it anyway and I know I prefer it to the long cylinder model offered here.

http://imageevent.com/fiveshooter/ccgoa

[scrat]

Wow thats some kind of gun

[lgsracer]

While not a stretch version here is a guy that builds a 5 shot fifty caliber model Ruger Old Army:

http://www.clementscustomguns.com/handguns/ruger.htm

.50 Cal. Ruger Old Army: This is a 5-shot conversion of the Old Army to .50 cali. Gun will shoot .490" round balls @ 1250 fps and a .488" dia. bullet @ 1150 fps using Hodgdon's Triple 7 powder. Standard features include an oversize 5 shot cyl. made to fit your individual gun, 6 3/4" full octagon barrel with integral front sight base and dovetailed sight blade, action job, and reliability modifications. We pioneered this conversion and it is only available from us. Accuracy will put some centerfire guns to shame. Bullets are available from Mt. Baldy Bullets. Stainless guns only. $995 or $1400 on our gun.

Here is a reveiw on this conversion:

http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_ClementsFugett.htm

[Fiveshooter]

lgsracer,
That is my gun in the article. I think it was the third or fourth one that David Clements made. It really is a very tight and well made conversion.
It is so tight in fact that it really requires a minor cleaning of the cylinder after 10 to 15 shots because the B/C gap is so tight. I think that is a small price to pay for the accuracy this gun can produce.