CA: Roosevelt High School Student Shot and Killed by Officer


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Chipperman
April 16, 2008, 08:43 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6083383

Fresno, CA (KFSN) -- A Roosevelt High School student has been shot and killed by the school's police officer. Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer says the shooting happened shortly before noon Wednesday on campus.
Dyer says the 17 year old sophomore attacked the officer with a modified bat, leaving the officer seriously injured.
According to Dyer, the officer managed to reach for his gun to protect himself but the clip fell out. Dyer says the officer reached for a second weapon he kept in an ankle holster and fired one shot at the student, killing him.
The school was put on lockdown and students were kept inside their classrooms. The officer has been taken to Community Regional Medical Center with a large gash to his head. He is expected to recover.
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The student killed in the shooting has not been identified at this time. Counselors are on campus and students have been released to their parents.

"According to Dyer, the officer managed to reach for his gun to protect himself but the clip fell out."

One reason I don't like mag disconnects.
Hope the officer will be OK.

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elrod
April 16, 2008, 09:02 PM
.....has been shot and killed by the school's(sic) police officer.

Must be some tough High School. Their own police officer. And he carries a BUG.:uhoh:


Tragic

toopercentmlk
April 16, 2008, 09:07 PM
I agree with ELrod that it's scary that he even thought he needed a BUG....

Winchester 73
April 16, 2008, 09:11 PM
Probably be a call for Louisville Sluggers to be outlawed now.

hankdatank1362
April 16, 2008, 09:11 PM
Chalk another one up for the logic of an ankle holster!

I've only had mine for about a month, but with it, I have no reason NOT to carry a BUG.

CountGlockula
April 16, 2008, 09:14 PM
Schools are getting very dangerous recently.

plexreticle
April 16, 2008, 09:21 PM
When you're going for a back up that's about as hairy as it gets.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
April 16, 2008, 09:28 PM
Hmmm

1. "According to Dyer, the officer managed to reach for his gun to protect himself but the clip fell out."

One reason I don't like mag disconnects.

And the reason I despise light comp-style mag release pressure levels. Same reason I no longer own a Glock, a Taurus Mil Pro, or a Kel Tec. Same reason I ditched them for positive locking mag release guns like Kahrs, 1911s, CZs, & BHPs. I knew this would happen sooner or later in a reported case (and surely has happened many other times unreported) since it happened to me many times with those makes, and I never even *needed* the gun, unlike this good officer. Betcha anything it was a Gluck (no mag disconnect, but probably carried with empty pipe). Why oh why don't people engage their noggin about this important safety issue, I'll never understand.

2. Thank goodness for backup guns and knowing how to quickly access them under stress. Glad he prepared for this situation.

3. Sounds like the kid had it comin - good shoot.

Zoogster
April 17, 2008, 01:59 AM
Poor guy, that hit had to be disorienting. I wonder what type of weapon was involved and if it had a magazine disconect rendering the round in the chamber worthless when the mag dropped.

That feature is required to add a new pistol the the CA approved list. Though LEO are exempt.





Edited to add, the type of weapon appears to have been a 96FS, which should not have had a disconnect.

Devonai
April 17, 2008, 02:19 AM
Betcha anything it was a Gluck (sic) ...

After tens if not hundreds of draws from concealment with several different models of Glock pistols I have never accidentally dropped the magazine. In fact, I've never accidentally dropped the magazine on any pistol, ever, with the exception of a Ruger P90 early in my shooting career. That's not to say it doesn't happen in combat, but blaming Glocks is just silly.

Serial Fan
April 17, 2008, 02:25 AM
Must be some tough High School.

It is. I grew up in Fresno. I didn't go to Roosevelt but some friends of mine did. Tough place, although that was 25 years ago, and I haven't lived there for almost twenty years, so I don't know what the situation is now. But I heard some stories back in the day.

jakemccoy
April 17, 2008, 02:28 AM
Winchester wrote,
Probably be a call for Louisville Sluggers to be outlawed now.


More likely, we'll see a push for disarming cops at schools.

Winchester 73
April 17, 2008, 02:35 AM
Winchester wrote,

Quote:
Probably be a call for Louisville Sluggers to be outlawed now.

More likely, we'll see a push for disarming cops at schools.

It's California.Probably both.
Formerly CA resident.

jakemccoy
April 17, 2008, 02:37 AM
Glock has a magazine disconnect? Really? Since when?

Also, the magazine release is difficult to mistakenly depress on a Glock. I'm handling my Glock right now.

Am I witnessing the beginning of yet another Glock urban legend?

Winchester 73
April 17, 2008, 02:46 AM
"Since the twelfth of never and thats a long,long time"
Johnny Mathis.1962.
Billboard.

C96
April 17, 2008, 03:00 AM
A 17 year old sophomore blindsided the officer when he stepped out of his office. That the officer was able to get his hand on any weapon was fortunate.

This 17 year old sophomore was six feet tall and weighed 250 pounds and gets a free shot at the cop with a shortened baseball bat.

I'd say the cop did pretty damn good.

ColinthePilot
April 17, 2008, 04:13 AM
According to Dyer, the officer managed to reach for his gun to protect himself but the clip fell out.

1. What pistol uses a clip? (sorry, clip vs magazine is a huge pet peeve of mine)

2. just a general "HUH???" I carry a Taurus Mil Pro, and I've shot a few Glocks. I've never unintentionally dropped the magazine, on those or any other pistol i've ever handled. Unbelievable.

3. good thing the cop had a BUG, but better if he learned how to unholster his sidearm without unloading it.

Feud
April 17, 2008, 04:21 AM
2. just a general "HUH???" I carry a Taurus Mil Pro, and I've shot a few Glocks. I've never unintentionally dropped the magazine, on those or any other pistol i've ever handled. Unbelievable.

3. good thing the cop had a BUG, but better if he learned how to unholster his sidearm without unloading it.

Since he had just been struck in the head with a baseball bat, I am willing to forgive him being a little unsteady with his hands. ;)

Zoogster
April 17, 2008, 06:19 AM
I did a bit of searching and found the weapon used by the Fresno PD is the Berreta 92FS issued to all personel as of the dates of the various references.
That is a .40 S&W weapon that should not have a magazine disconnect standard.
:(

So most likely he either had a malfunction or carried with an empty chamber.
Who knows though, maybe the safety was too complicated for him after getting hit in the head by a 200-250 pound guy (different articles state 200 and 250) with a baseball bat and he opted for the simplier BUG, likely a personaly owned weapon he could operate in such a state better than the duty weapon.

jakemccoy
April 17, 2008, 06:26 AM
Zoogster wrote,
I did a bit of searching and found the weapon used by the Fresno PD is the Berreta 92FS issued to all personel as of the dates of the various references.
That is a .40 S&W weapon that should not have a magazine disconnect standard.

It doesn't matter what kind of gun you say it was. Urban legend already has it as being a Glock. So, it was a Glock. :rolleyes:

TAB
April 17, 2008, 06:34 AM
Mag disconnects have saved way more police officers then they have killed.

In this case I'd bet it was user error. ethier the mag was not all the way seated or the mag release was hit during the draw.

shdwfx
April 17, 2008, 11:45 AM
Mag disconnects have saved way more police officers then they have killed.

Really? If you have evidence of that, it would be good to know.

Draven32
April 17, 2008, 12:03 PM
Probably be a call for Louisville Sluggers to be outlawed now.

Naah, just a long complex and obscure registrations system, a California Approved Baseball Bat list, restrictions on allowing children access to baseball bats, and a requirement that baseball bats be kept in a DoJ- approved Baseball Bat Safe.

scrat
April 17, 2008, 05:02 PM
More likely, we'll see a push for disarming cops at schools.

this i can see them trying. He did what i would have done

CWL
April 17, 2008, 05:11 PM
There are some pretty bad gangs in Fresno.

Doubt the kid just sat back after he cracked the LEO once in the head, he probably kept swinging the whole time and hit the officer's hand or the primary pistol.

Good thing the officer kept a clear enough head to reach for his BUG.

Chipperman
April 17, 2008, 05:35 PM
Slightly updated version from the same link:
Fresno, CA (KFSN) -- A Roosevelt High School sophomore has been shot and killed by the school's police officer.
Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer says the shooting happened shortly before noon Wednesday on campus. Dyer says the 17 year old, identified by family members as Jesse Carrizales, attacked the officer, later identified as Junus Perry, with a modified bat, leaving him seriously injured.
Perry was treated at Community Regional Medical Center and released just before 5pm. According to Dyer, the officer managed to reach for his gun to protect himself but the clip fell out. Dyer says the officer reached for a second weapon he kept in an ankle holster and fired one shot at the student, killing him.
Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said, "In speaking with the officer that was involved in the incident, there is no recollection on his part of him having any type of dealing with this student on a negative basis. And, uh, he wasn't really familiar with who the student was. Um, it doesn't appear that, at least based on what we have found at this point in time, uh, that there any type of confrontation that had occurred prior to this, with the officer."

PTK
April 17, 2008, 05:46 PM
Note that while the article said "clip", the reporter in the video said "magazine".

That aside, that's a horrible way to go. Darwin still works, though.

His brother said "They could'a tazed him, could've hit him with a stick, whatever. Didn't need to shoot him!"

Yeah, right. If I get hit in the head with a baseball bat and get struck silly, I'll be sure to reach for something less-lethal...

SsevenN
April 17, 2008, 05:47 PM
The first time I ever drew my HK USP from a holster my thumb rode the "paddle" style magazine release and I slang the mag in the mud........

Granted that was three years ago, and my first hand gun, first draw ever.
But I still find that to be the biggest oversight on USP's......

Mannlicher
April 17, 2008, 05:48 PM
title of thread should be "kid attacks cop with bat, officer defends himself to detriment of out of control kid"

Eyesac
April 17, 2008, 06:11 PM
Mag disconnects have saved way more police officers then they have killed.

Where do people come up with this crap? What gives?

Ithaca37
April 17, 2008, 06:31 PM
Poor bastard (the cop) I hope he is ok.

title of thread should be "kid attacks cop with bat, officer defends himself to detriment of out of control kid"
+1
I wasn't sure what direction this was headed at first.

Chipperman
April 17, 2008, 06:52 PM
title of thread should be "kid attacks cop with bat, officer defends himself to detriment of out of control kid"


I used the title the article originally used.

John Wayne
April 17, 2008, 07:01 PM
Couldn't you just stick a finger from your free hand up the mag well and hold down the disconnect to get off a shot?

Impractical, yes, but wouldn't it be faster than reaching for a BUG?

Bazooka Joe71
April 17, 2008, 07:09 PM
His brother said "They could'a tazed him, could've hit him with a stick, whatever. Didn't need to shoot him!"

Now that's funny. Yes, your POS brother just hit me in the head with a baseball bat...Let me grab a stick when I have a perfectly good gun on my side.:rolleyes:

Or maybe he should have called for a backup with that tazer. I'm sure he had plenty of time to think things over while he's getting pummeled with a baseball bat.

BTW, he was a 17 year old sophomore? LOL, don't most people graduate at 17?

Winchester 73
April 17, 2008, 09:31 PM
BTW, he was a 17 year old sophmore? LOL, don't most people graduate at 17?

Or 18.You are on point.

Bazooka Joe71
April 17, 2008, 09:39 PM
Yeah, now that I think about it, I would have just turned 16 if I was a sophomore in high school.

USMC 1975
April 18, 2008, 08:40 AM
"Couldn't you just stick a finger from your free hand up the mag well and hold down the disconnect to get off a shot?

Impractical, yes, but wouldn't it be faster than reaching for a BUG? "


He may have been able to do that, but lets give this Cop a break. He got clobbered in the head with a baseball bat. I am sure that if we lined a number of our forum members up and let a 250 lb guy take a swing at their noggin with a very heavy chuck of wood we would probably make a miscue somewhere along the line. Under the circumstances, I think this Cop did very well. He also is damn lucky to have not had any permanent side effects from the injury.

In regards to the brother saying they should have used a Tazer ? Here we go. The family will say what an angel he was and the bleeding heart liberals are going to come running with a list of what the cop should have done. The family will sue, get a $ 500 K " shut your mouth " payment and the Cop will be made out to be the villain.

I look at this entire incident as unfortunate. But, look at the bright side - there is one less POS on the streets that we will have to cloth and feed in prison someday once he became an adult and graduated to bigger crimes.

If your stupid enough to ambush a cop with a baseball bat, then you deserve everything you have coming to you, including a bullet.

Chris

BruceRDucer
April 18, 2008, 08:47 AM
:)


"It doesn't matter what kind of gun you say it was. Urban legend already has it as being a Glock. So, it was a Glock."----JakeMcCoy

Jake, you are so FUNNY! You are a man after my own heart! Well said!

doc2rn
April 18, 2008, 09:13 AM
Zoogster~ 92FS....That is a .40

Uhm no it is not, 92= 9mm, 96=.40cal

John Wayne
April 19, 2008, 02:45 AM
I'm not saying the cop made a bad choice by reaching for his backup, just questioning what the best option would be if faced with a similar situation.

Zoogster
April 19, 2008, 04:03 AM
Uhm no it is not, 92= 9mm, 96=.40cal

Excuse me, they are issued 96FS in .40 cal, I meant to type that, but was a bit tired and mistyped after looking for specs on the 92 and 96 line.

I was looking them up to see if any models came with a mag disconnect and the last place I looked, the Beretta USA website, only gives detailed information on the 92 by name, referencing both the 92 and 96 at the same time. You can only look at some numbers for awhile for reference before it becomes a bit suggestive. :neener:
The last thing I was looking at before typing it in had 92 everywhere so I typed what I saw not what I was thinking.
http://products.berettausa.com/frame_tabellaprodotti_2002.asp?sgmt=31&Model=92/96%20Series&descr=1

I did however edit post #9 to add the info with the correct model at about the same time. So I guess all is not lost. :neener:


None of the models seem to reference any type of magazine disconnect or magazine interlock.
I tried to see if it was an option, perhaps used by liability concerned departments, but it did not appear so.

VARifleman
April 19, 2008, 04:21 AM
Freaking crazy stuff.

As for mags dropping out. This is a problem with pocket carried keltecs on the left side, possibly the right side as well, but I haven't had a glock's mag fall out when drawn. I've had it fall out when it was picked up off the table if it has a long release (34/35), but this is not the case if it has a weapon light.

Good for the officer for keeping in control enough in the circumstances to get out alive. That is the goal, and he succeeded. How you get there is not very relevant, it is getting there that is important. There are ways of getting there that are more reliable than others, however something that should not be trained for (reaching in the mag for the disconnect safety, which wasn't actually present) is not a good course of action when you've trained for a BUG. Come on people, give the man a break. He's alive and that's what matters.

jakemccoy
April 19, 2008, 04:29 AM
I'd actually like to pay for a training session from the man.

plexreticle
April 19, 2008, 04:47 AM
There is something to be said for European style mag release; you know if you mag is locked in and you won't drop it by accident.

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