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Elza
April 17, 2008, 12:54 PM
I got the snot scared out of me yesterday. I carry a Ruger P90 IWB. I treat it like any DA pistol/revolver. I carry (‘carried’ after yesterday) it hammer down with the safety off. I didn’t think about my holster not having a retention strap.

Yesterday evening I had my shirt off. I looked down and the thing was cocked!!! I have no idea how or where it happened but I nearly downloaded some brownware when I saw it!

I now carry it locked and have started drilling my self to push the safety up when drawing. Mental note: only carry a DA pistol/revolver in a holster with a strap over the hammer.

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Conqueror
April 17, 2008, 01:24 PM
I lol'ed at "downloading some brownware."

Glad your pistol poltergeist did not similarly touch the trigger.

General Geoff
April 17, 2008, 01:28 PM
Keep in mind this is only a concern with pistols/revolvers with an exposed hammer.

Bazooka Joe71
April 17, 2008, 01:29 PM
Wow, close call.:what:

Elza
April 17, 2008, 01:31 PM
Conqueror: Glad your pistol poltergeist did not similarly touch the trigger.Fortunately the trigger is completely covered and resides below the belt line.

X-Rap
April 17, 2008, 01:36 PM
I had a Pistol Pocket IWB holster that allowed the safety on my Kimber Ultra Carry to move off safety twice. Notice I had that holster.

Nugilum
April 17, 2008, 01:40 PM
I nearly downloaded some brownware when I saw it!

You owe me a new keyboard... :evil:

SsevenN
April 17, 2008, 01:43 PM
Thats why I am a fan of striker-fired DAO, W/O safteys for concealed carry.
Keeps it nice and simple for the used who is most likely going to be in a state of duress when required to draw. I want to keep it as simple as possible.:D

I'm glad your OK and learned a lesson without any blood loss!

ny32182
April 17, 2008, 01:45 PM
Sounds like a pretty amazing set of circumstances must have transpired (any way you just forgot to decock it? My money would be on that as the problem).

That said, if the holster is good, the trigger is completely covered, and there "should" be no real danger.

Or, just get a Glock. ;)

ny32182
April 17, 2008, 02:03 PM
As a followup, when I used to carry a pistol with an exposed hammer (P228), I would make it part of my holstering motion to have my thumb on the hammer, to ensure it was decocked. If it was not, I got a different-than-normal feel on my thumb.

I shall never carry concealed with a holster with a retention strap. I figure if I ever have to draw, getting my hand under my shirt reliably will present enough trouble, and that further complications past that are no good.

Elza
April 17, 2008, 02:06 PM
ny32182: Sounds like a pretty amazing set of circumstances must have transpired (any way you just forgot to decock it? My money would be on that as the problem).No chance at all. I checked it out when I first got up in the morning and hadn’t touched it all day.

When I came in from mowing the lawn I removed my shirt and sat down in my recliner. It is the well overstuffed leather variety. The only thing I can figure I dragged it against the leather and managed to pull the hammer back. A bit far fetched but it’s the only answer I can come up with.

I was out-and-about earlier but it rides too far up to get snagged by the seatbelt.

TexasRifleman
April 17, 2008, 02:14 PM
Keep in mind this is only a concern with pistols/revolvers with an exposed hammer.

Or, just get a Glock.

Or just get a 1911 which is MEANT to be carried that way :)

axeman_g
April 17, 2008, 02:19 PM
I did that once with a SW M19. I was too lazy to switch out holsters when I put the CZ away, picked up the jeans I was wearing earlier with my Sipple Solution holster and slipped the m19 into the leather. It has no retention strap... BIG MISTAKE. I got out of the car to go to the atm... felt a sharp edge while typing in my code and withdrawal... felt back there and the hammer was on full cock.

Download some brownware is an understatement... there was some yellow memory leakage also!!!!

El Tejon
April 17, 2008, 02:23 PM
Why would Condition 0 scare you?:confused: P90s have safeties? I thought they only had dingus droppers?

Safeties on 1911s get clicked off from time to time. Just observe Rule #3 and you'll be fine.

El Tejon
April 17, 2008, 02:28 PM
Found a photo of the P90, it is a dingus dropper.

CNYCacher
April 17, 2008, 02:37 PM
Yeah, the P90 has a firing pin block. . . Were you worried about a snap-fire?

Halo
April 17, 2008, 02:37 PM
I nearly downloaded some brownware

Is that original? You should copyright it. Now I'm going to have to spend the rest of the day looking for an excuse to use it at work.

Elza
April 17, 2008, 02:53 PM
El Tejon: Found a photo of the P90, it is a dingus dropper.CNYCacher Yeah, the P90 has a firing pin block. . . Were you worried about a snap-fire?There is a model that is a de-cocker only and one with a de-cocking safety. Mine is the de-cocking safety version and the safety was off. With hammer back it is good to go. The trigger is fully enclosed on my holster but I still don’t like the idea of it being cocked and un-locked.

Elza
April 17, 2008, 02:54 PM
Halo: Is that original?No. It’s an old computer gaf that’s been around for a long time.

El Tejon
April 17, 2008, 03:00 PM
Elza, well, if you want to term it a safety, O.K. (IIRC, Smith calls the dingus dropper a "safety" too), but it seems less than optimal to have it in that condition. Of course, to me, crunchentickers are less than optimal.:D

Anywho, no reason to panic. You did the right thing and kept your digits off the bangswitch=no concern for ND. Rule #3 will get you through every time.:)

I've had the safety flipped off on my 1911, especially after rolling around on the ground a lot during training or even up and down out of the car, chair, etc. But if you carry a 1911 you check the safety just like you check that the mag is seated on all autopistols.:)

Breath deep, you are fine, all is one with the universe, ommmm.:D

Elza
April 17, 2008, 03:20 PM
El Tejon: Elza, well, if you want to term it a safety, O.K.Well, with the safety ‘on’ the hammer won’t stay in the cocked position (or drops if is already cocked) and the trigger will not pull the hammer back. With the safety ‘off’ the hammer will remain in the cocked position until released by the trigger or the trigger will pull and release the hammer for DA operation.

Sounds like a safety to me………….

blackcash88
April 17, 2008, 03:45 PM
Quote:
I nearly downloaded some brownware

Is that original? You should copyright it. Now I'm going to have to spend the rest of the day looking for an excuse to use it at work.

I like "firing off a stink pickle" better.

Then there's always dropping a bowl baby, deploy some porcelain paratroopers, mark on top the porcelain datum (for the ASW guys),... :evil:

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