Best out of the box 45 acp


April 17, 2008, 12:46 PM
In your opinion, what is the best right out of the box 45 acp as far as reliability, accuracy, and longevity or toughness is concerned? Also most, if not all of my shooting will be with cast bullets. I can't afford custom guns so out of the box will have to do. A good trigger is also a consideration. I had looked at a Glock, but was told I couldn't use cast bullets in it. Is this true? I appreciate your input. JP

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April 17, 2008, 01:07 PM
Springfield XD is the best in my opinion.

Glocks have polygonal rifling and they recommend not using cast lead bullets. Some people do anyways and some say if you clean it often there shouldn't be a problem, but the manual says not too. Take from that what you will.

April 17, 2008, 01:10 PM
30 years ago, I would have said a Series 70 Colt, but today, considering the price and overall fit, a Springfield Armory mil-spec 1911A1 with a NM serial number.

April 17, 2008, 01:22 PM
If price is important, the Ruger and S&W offerings may be worth a look. In general, I prefer the European autos, but the good ones in .45 ACP are really pricey.

The CZ 97B is a nice gun, and I love mine. They often take a little fiddling to feed LSWC. So, I don't think it fits your criteria, per se. They run about $550 nowadays.

A Springfield Mil Spec (not GI) is probably your best bet in the 1911 platform, as others mentioned.

Ballester Molinas (spelling?) used to be dirt cheap, and they were OK guns. However, I wouldn't really consider one due to compatability issues; they aren't "real" 1911s. You don't see these around much anymore, or so it seems to me.

April 17, 2008, 02:15 PM
I'd also go with a Springfield Mil-Spec. They are generally reliable, accurate, and you'll have a hard time wearing one out with lead bullets. Besides, 1911's and good triggers go together like pie & ice cream. :)

April 17, 2008, 02:24 PM
Dan Wesson PM7 - well made and accurate.

April 17, 2008, 02:47 PM
I have a SIG P220 and it is excellent. I don't what they're running for new, but SIGs in general are a bit pricey.

As for the Glock, if you really want one you can always get a drop-in barrel with conventional rifling and shoot lead all you want.

April 17, 2008, 02:49 PM
The current P220 will a milled stainless steel slide and internal extractor is not your fathers P220.

I would not put the current P220 on the best out of the box list anymore.

April 17, 2008, 05:33 PM
welcome to thr, get the xd .45 acp, or one of the many sa 1911 varients and shoot and be happy!

April 17, 2008, 05:38 PM
id go hk mk23 or glock 21

April 17, 2008, 07:16 PM
The G21's ergonomics aren't for everybody... I have one and I love it! But that's me.

A high quality aftermarket barrel, such as KKM, Bar-Sto, or Storm Lake, is strongly recommended, if hand-loads are to be used. The tolerances of the firing chamber and barrel rifling both plays into this advice. That done, you're good to go! Considering the practical life of a Glock, it's not an outrageous investment.

Other positives in the Glock Camp include:

- Legendary Reliability--Proven Platform!
- Ready Parts Availability--Not True With XD!
- Accessories Galore--Check The Net!
- Ready Repairs Available--Not True With XD!
- Easy Conversion To 10 mm!

My 3rd Gen G21's been just great! 10,500 + rounds of .45 ACP and 2000 + rounds of 10 mm, and still going strong! No breakage or repairs of any kind!

Honestly, if you're going to look at reloading exclusively, check into the remarkably flexible 10 mm too! Load it softly for targets, push it to true .357 magnum power for trail or self-defense!


April 17, 2008, 07:22 PM
STI Spartan or XD. I'm sure my XD will hiccup some day, but it hasn't after about 2000 rounds. And every mag I've bought for it worked, and didn't say "Combat" anywhere on it.

April 17, 2008, 08:07 PM
The current P220 will a milled stainless steel slide and internal extractor is not your fathers P220.

I would not put the current P220 on the best out of the box list anymore.

I suppose I'll have to take your word for it. My P220 was made in the early 90s and is a fantastic pistol. I don't think I've fired any other bone stock pistol with such a nice trigger. Shame to hear the newer ones aren't as good.

April 17, 2008, 09:43 PM
Triggers are still good. They FTF or FTE sometimes. The extractor has to be perfectly within tolerance to function. Too tight you get FTF. Too loose FTE.

Now by no means is this on all guns. Its probably not more that 5% I don't really know and Sig is not saying. They ship thousands of P220's every month. That makes 100 bad pistols a month. I mean odds are in your favor but that is still a lot of defective pistols. That's 100 unhappy people.

The early 90's P220 is a stamped slide with a different, much more forgiving, design are good to go. I wish I still had the two I have sold. Good guns.

I hear they may be moving to external extractors.

April 17, 2008, 11:31 PM
West German P220

April 18, 2008, 02:50 AM
Please provide a $ amount that you are willing to spend. Without understanding what you are willing to invest, we are just throwing our gun suggestions randomly.

"Best" doesn't mean anything unless you provide some parameters.

April 18, 2008, 02:55 AM
Springfield XD is the best in my opinion


Black Majik
April 18, 2008, 03:01 AM
Would out of a cardboard box do? :D

April 18, 2008, 03:25 AM
CWL is absolutely right...without a budget in mind, this is silly. There are plenty of very expensive "factory custom" 1911-type pistols that are quite expensive and you could get a gunsmith-tuned Ruger P345 (for example) with night sights and custom grips for half the price.

Tom Fury
April 18, 2008, 03:43 AM
But specifically third gen DA/SA S&W 4506, 4566, 4516, 4513, 457s. Less expensive, I can't tell the difference in feel between a 4566 and a Sig 220, absolutely reliable with anything you put thru it.
Did I mention absolutely reliable? Thats' my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Cheers, TF

April 18, 2008, 06:33 AM
Sig 220.

April 18, 2008, 06:56 AM
Springfield XD is the best in my opinion.

The trigger on the XD is nice, and only gets better after the first 400-500 rounds. My XD only has about a 4lb trigger on it.

Since cast bullets will be used, and price is a concern... I don't see how Glock could even be considered. You would have to buy the pistol, and then turn around and buy an after market barrel just to safely shoot the ammo you will be using. Seems a step in the wrong direction when looking for a cost effective solution.

April 18, 2008, 07:27 AM
I own a number of 45s and the 2 I'd recommend are the Sig P220 and the Smith M&P. I own an XD but prefer these 2 over it.

April 18, 2008, 08:28 AM
I'd say the Ruger P90.

For a gun that you can find in the very low $400 range, it's one heck of a tough, reliable bastard.
Can't kill 'em.

April 18, 2008, 08:58 AM
Sig P220, have never had a FTF or FTE in one, ever. Have owned and fired old ones and newer ones. Have never even witnessed anyone having a problem with a P220. Currently have a Sig P220 Match SAO, if price isn't a factor I highly recomend it or any of the other SAO Sigs.

April 18, 2008, 02:06 PM
Mostly everyone should be expected to say "Hail Mine!", so take your responses with a few grams of salt. I own 1911s and have shot them for generations. I prefer my S&W M&P45, which was cheap when I bought it... still not bad.


April 18, 2008, 02:08 PM
SIG 220, STI 1911, Smith M&P .45 all have been great.

April 18, 2008, 02:23 PM
I love my CZ 97B, it's a great pistol.

April 18, 2008, 09:14 PM
WOW! You all have been busy while I was away. Thanks for all your recommendations. As for price, I have to keep it under about 800.00. You all have given me a lot to study. Thanks again. JP

April 18, 2008, 09:22 PM
IMHO one must consider price to answer this question truthfully. It depends on how much you want to spend.

April 18, 2008, 10:26 PM
West German P220, no regrets!!

April 18, 2008, 10:37 PM
HK USP45 Tactical.

With the Match trigger, it is MUCH better than the standard USP right out of the box (not that the standard USP and the USP compact are much of a slouch either).

I haven't laid my hands on the new HK45 or HK45 Compact yet, but I am guessing they will be at least equal to the USP.

April 18, 2008, 11:38 PM
Dan Wesson bob tail commander

April 19, 2008, 07:07 AM
I'd agree with the HK. I carry a USP .45 Compact as my very favorite gun. Variant one, I carry with a round in the chamber, hammer down. I certainly wouldn't argue with those who said any of the Sig family, especially the 220.

Of course this stems from my own personal choice with design selection. I don't like a single action only like the 1911s. I will tolerate the DAO type (I own Glocks, an XD, and will likely get a Smith M&P) but I don't regard them as "best out of the box" because to get that distinction, to me, it must be da/sa capable. I like the safety of condition two carry but the trigger control of single action fire. As much as I like my Glock (I'm still getting to know my XD, don't have enough personal experience to form an opinion) I hate their triggers. Even my model 34 wasn't up to the standards of my USP.

Pops 1
April 19, 2008, 07:41 AM
Beretta PX4 45

April 19, 2008, 08:10 AM
Ruger P90, tough as any gun out there, target accuracy, and 100 percent reliability with anything. Can't improve on perfect. If only it cost a grand, it'd get more respect.

April 19, 2008, 08:11 AM
SIG P220 in any of its configurations that suits you. The P245 is a decent gun too if you can find one.

I havent had a SIG not work like its supposed to out of the box, new models or old models, new or used. Just load the mags with your ammo of choice and your pretty much good to go.

Unlike a lot of the others, theres really no break in required, other than maybe making yourself feel better.

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