Bushmaster Carbon 15 9mm Pistol: Pistol or SBR??


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damien
April 17, 2008, 04:10 PM
If you are not familiar, first take a look at the firearm:

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ9-C15P21S.asp

OK, I guess this is approved by the ATF, it has been on the market for several years. I don't know exactly how they intend you to shoot it. Weaver is possible, but pretty ungainly. Obviously, with a sling you can give this a go. But another way to shoot it, I have found, is actually like a SBR. If you have a short eye relief sight (EOTech) you can shoot this like a SBR, using the buffer as a "stock". At least I can. The 9mm doesn't recoil much, so the fact that the stock has little surface area doesn't cause a comfort issue.

My question is, since this is a pistol, is shooting it like a SBR an illegal act?

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Dksimon
April 17, 2008, 04:22 PM
Looks to me like a shrunken AR-15 body with a shortened barrel and a funny stock. Looks neat.

Macpherson
April 17, 2008, 04:34 PM
There are no laws regarding technique while shooting a firearm, if that's what you mean. You can shoot from the hip, behind your back, upside down in a chicken suit, whatever you like (assuming it's in a safe location, etc, obviously).

PTK
April 17, 2008, 04:37 PM
That's a pistol. If you intend to use the buffer tube as a stock, it could be viewed as a SBR by the BATFE. Clear as mud.

TexasRifleman
April 17, 2008, 05:40 PM
My question is, since this is a pistol, is shooting it like a SBR an illegal act?

The ATF has approved that thing as not being a stock by definition so you're fine.

Now the reality side is that it's uncomfortable as hell and way too short to actually work well as a stock.
I'm shocked that you think it actually workable, I tried it on one and thought it was awful.

damien
April 17, 2008, 05:54 PM
Now the reality side is that it's uncomfortable as hell and way too short to actually work well as a stock.
I'm shocked that you think it actually workable, I tried it on one and thought it was awful.

Workable, sure. Ideal? No, of course not. But it does work. I didn't find it uncomfortable. 9mm doesn't have much recoil. Did you try it with the .223 version? Next time out I will try it with a sling and see how well it works.

TexasRifleman
April 17, 2008, 06:16 PM
Yeah I did shoot a .223, you're probably right, 9mm might be a lot better.

But in the end I believe it's perfectly legal regardless. IANAL and all that stuff.

Remember always, the ATF made defined machineguns to include shoestrings so all bets are off with those guys....

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