Anyone torture-tested subcompacts?


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N3rday
April 17, 2008, 06:53 PM
So, I've seen various torture tests for pistols, such as the Glock 17. I was wondering, has anyone bothered to 'torture' any subcompact pistols? Perhaps the baby Glocks, Springfield XDsc or HK P2000sk? How do you think the chopped-down versions would hold up?

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MICHAEL T
April 17, 2008, 09:12 PM
Why would you want to subject these pistols to these silly tests. These are carry pistols not Combat service guns.
Buy me a new Colt Agent and I will test it any way you want. But I think to much of my firearms to subject to silly made up tests

N3rday
April 18, 2008, 01:42 PM
I'm not passing judgment over whether or not they should be tested, just if they have. I think it'd be interesting to see how they would hold up; I mean, I don't really expect having to shoot a Glock 26 caked in mud and filled with sand, but it still interests me!

The Tourist
April 18, 2008, 01:49 PM
Not deliberately, I assure you.

As many of you know, I had one of the first stainless Colt Officers ACPs in the mid 1980's. As an adjunct to my duties as the corporation's credit manager, I was also put in charge of plant security. My boss allowed me to carry a firearm on the jobsite.

Since the pistol was never, ever, ever going to be allowed to fail, I sent it to Terry Tussey. To make sure I was very familiar with the pistol, I took it out to the range every time--at least once a week.

The pistol fired every round in the book, every hollowpoint, every brand of FMJ and buckets of reloads.

Due to minor problems (usually the extractor), it went back to Terry three times.

I received a call from Terry on the last repair, and he stated as diplomatically as I've ever heard Terry that the pistol had been a "loyal and resolute servant" and perhaps it deserved retirement.

In truth, it rattled like the Tooterville Trolley and was in a word, "shot to pieces."

I replaced the Colt with a stainless Detonics, which I also pommeled.

According to records, my Colt was fired 7,000 times.

scurtis_34471
April 18, 2008, 01:50 PM
The XD Service pistol has been torture tested in many ways: frozen in a block of ice, dropped in a lake for a couple days, submerged in salt brine, degreased and buried in sand and a couple others I cannot thing of. Zero malfunctions. It has also had 20,000 rounds fired through it with no cleaning other than a dry bore snake run through the barrel every 5,000 rounds. Zero malfunctions. The only difference between the Subcompact and the Service is grip length and barrel/slide length. They are otherwise identical, so there is no reason to think the same tests would not apply.

I just got back from Front Sight where I put about 700 rounds through the gun in a dusty, windy desert environment over a four day period without cleaning. I had zero malfunctions.

XDs are more than capable of combat service.

CountGlockula
April 18, 2008, 01:50 PM
I'd like to see a G26 take on the 1000 round challenge. See how hot that puppy gets!

Specialized
April 18, 2008, 01:54 PM
Here's some data on the torture-testing of P2000sk's:

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=87063

Pretty rigorous! I like mine -- the fit, the accuracy, and how natural it feels in my hand.

Specialized

Uglyoldpoorman
April 18, 2008, 01:59 PM
I let my wife shoot all my guns. The ones that survive the first 5 minutes with her I figure are pretty much unbreakable.

NG VI
April 18, 2008, 02:07 PM
Shooting a couple hundred rounds out of a G27 is torturous enough, why on Earth would I want to see if I could survive five thousand rounds?

N3rday
April 18, 2008, 03:17 PM
The only difference between the Subcompact and the Service is grip length and barrel/slide length.

Exactly! A shortened slide length means reduced cycling time, making the gun more finicky and sensitive to certain types of ammunition; in other words, one would expect a longer gun to be more reliable - look at short-barreled 1911s, for example (no offense to those who have working 3" 1911s).

-v-
April 18, 2008, 06:44 PM
The reason why a compact would begin developing issues is because the Browning tilting barrel locking scheme is designed for use with a 5" barrel, at 4" it still works ok, and at 3" you start getting malfunctions because the locking design was never meant to be scaled down that far. Thus, thats why all those 3" guns, no matter if they are a Khar, Sig, Keltec, Taurus, or what-have-you start having malfunctions and reliability issues.

Not sure on rotating-barrel locking scheme though. That just might work a little better, but I've *heard* that the mechanism fowls more easily, but as always please correct me if I am wrong.

jocko
April 18, 2008, 06:58 PM
I wouldn't consider it a torture test, but my kahr pm9 has 10,550 rounds through it and it has been flawless. I have shot it a 1000 rounds without cleaning it, but not a 1000 rounds at one setting. Replaced only recoil springs 3 times and wolffs extra power magazine springs once (only because I wanted to, as I had no magazine issues).

Had a kt 380 once that went 1249 rounds before the slide cracked in two places.

MCgunner
April 18, 2008, 07:27 PM
The reason why a compact would begin developing issues is because the Browning tilting barrel locking scheme is designed for use with a 5" barrel, at 4" it still works ok, and at 3" you start getting malfunctions because the locking design was never meant to be scaled down that far. Thus, thats why all those 3" guns, no matter if they are a Khar, Sig, Keltec, Taurus, or what-have-you start having malfunctions and reliability issues.

That's quite odd. Why hasn't my 12 year old Kel Tec P11 failed? 11,000 rounds plus. I mean, I do clean it, I don't torture it, but it's 100 percent for me. If it wasn't, I'd find another carry. The suggestion that anything with a 3" barrel will be unreliable is just bull caca on a grand scale. There are too many examples to prove otherwise, even from Kel Tec, let alone a company like Glock.

DWARREN123
April 18, 2008, 09:42 PM
I shoot my GLOCK 27 a lot. Sometimes dirty, 250 rounds thru it a couple of days before without cleaning. The only problem I ever had was cause by my OAL/COL reloads being too long, once I fixed that no problems.

The Lone Haranguer
April 18, 2008, 10:01 PM
I think your hands will give out long before the guns will. :neener:

No individual is going to be able to give a gun such a test. In all the "torture tests" you read in the magazines, there is always a team of shooters and magazine loaders, with someone else paying the ammo bill. The only other people who might come close to this are certain police or military types whose ammo bill is being footed by the taxpayers.

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