Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits


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Desertdog
April 17, 2008, 07:49 PM
Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/04/14/news/041508dcgunrecip.txt

WASHINGTON -- Americans with state-issued concealed weapons permits would be allowed to carry guns wherever they travel in the country under a bill introduced Monday by 3rd District Rep. John Boozman, R-Rogers.

The measure would eliminate a mishmash of concealed weapons regulations that vary from state to state, Boozman contends. All states would be forced to recognize concealed handgun permits from elsewhere.

Gun control advocates oppose the bill. They say that gun permit standards in some states are so weak that other jurisdictions deserve the right to refuse those license holders.

Boozman said the bill ensures Second Amendment rights.

"I've always felt like you can have a gun, openly display it, and there not be a problem," he said. That some states reject licensed permits from other states "infringes on the Constitution."

Nearly 62,000 Arkansans have concealed gun permits.

Arkansas permit holders are allowed to carry a concealed weapon in 27 states, including every neighboring state.

Arkansas recognizes permits issued in 30 states.

Fourteen states do not recognize permits issued elsewhere.

"You have friends who are used to having a gun in their car and things like that, then inadvertently being over the state line or out of state and being concerned they were running afoul of state law," Boozman said.

Boozman's bill would require even Illinois and Wisconsin, which do not have right-to-carry laws, to recognize licenses issued in other states.

A bipartisan group of 33 House members are co-sponsors of the bill, Boozman said.

He acknowledged that it may be difficult to gain enough support for the legislation, and said there is anti-gun sentiment in the Democratic-led Congress. But he cited statistics that indicate crime decreases in states with concealed guns laws.

According to a study cited by the National Rifle Association, violent crime declined each year from 1977 to 1994 in jurisdictions where a concealed gun law was in effect.

Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said his organization is not anti-gun, but it opposes the bill because of its impact on states.

"There are already too many states that have too weak a system of approving people for concealed-carry permits," Hamm said. "I don't think the majority of states want to rely on the systems of other states to let someone carry a loaded, concealed handgun across state borders."

For instance, Florida's standards are so low that some death-row inmates there have permits, he said.

Arkansas at one time had minimum reciprocity requirements, said state police spokesman Bill Sadler. Those regulations mandated that other states' training standards must be equal to or stronger than Arkansas' minimum requirements for a permit holder.

The General Assembly since has stripped those requirements, Sadler said.

Sadler said he would not comment on the merits of Boozman's bill until he had seen the proposed legislation.

Boozman said he feels strongly that Americans should be allowed to carry guns.

"I grew up in Arkansas, and it was not uncommon to see people in high school with gun racks in the back of their trucks, who would go squirrel hunting after school was over," Boozman said. "To be honest, it's something I always felt like there wasn't any question we could do these things."

His 26-year-old daughter, Kristen Boozman, has an Arkansas concealed weapons permit, as do other family members, he said. The congressman himself does not.

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Jorg Nysgerrig
April 17, 2008, 07:51 PM
Again?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356506
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356515
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=356490

markk
April 17, 2008, 08:15 PM
For instance, Florida's standards are so low that some death-row inmates there have permits, he said.



Wow. Just wow...

Winchester 73
April 17, 2008, 08:18 PM
Again?

It's more popular than Howard Johnson's 28 flavors.
I plead guilty,your honor.

LSCurrier
April 17, 2008, 10:07 PM
Awesome!!!!

I hope this passes.

Luke

Crunker1337
April 17, 2008, 10:16 PM
This will be absolutely amazing if it passes. Which it probably wont, :(
But if it does, I'm getting a Florida permit the day I turn 18. Haha, that means that I won't be able to own a handgun in NJ unless I'm carrying it.

TheBluesMan
April 17, 2008, 10:31 PM
It'll never pass; but it should be brought before every session of congress.

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 17, 2008, 11:17 PM
But if it does, I'm getting a Florida permit the day I turn 18.

Does this bill somehow lower the age for permits in Florida? :confused:

Coyote Blue
April 17, 2008, 11:38 PM
Does this bill somehow lower the age for permits in Florida?

No,Jorg.You are correct.21:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/CCWFAQApp.pdf

Jim March
April 18, 2008, 02:02 AM
Thoughts on a draft letter to a Democratic Federal legislator.

Dear [legicritter],

I urge your support on [bill number].

I'd like to fill you in on why this bill is important in this election year.

In essense, the Democratic Party has a problem where the gun issue is concerned. Federal-level candidates face this problem across the nation. It concerns the conduct in gun control in a few Democratic strongholds nationwide regarding legal gun carry. Let me show you a few examples:

* In California, gun carry permits exist with training and a background check, but they are issued at the personal discretion of police chiefs and sheriffs. Horrific levels of bias along racial and gender lines have been noted for decades, and several sheriffs have come under fire for obvious links between permit issuance and campaign contributions in Sacramento, San Joaquin, Los Angeles and Orange counties, including Federal investigations in three of these and one arrest of a sheriff to date in San Joaquin.

* In Chicago, a total ban on defensive weapons is coupled with an incredibly high crime rate. The people able to defend themselves other than law enforcement? City aldermen. This "guns for me, not for thee" attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.

* In New York City under their discretionary gun permit system similar to California, a police official in charge of permit issuance was fired for having backstage passes and limo ride access to the band "Aerosmith", whose two front-men had gun carry permits he issued. The permitholder list is top-heavy with the rich and famous including Howard Stern, Donald Trump and the like.

The problem faced by the Democratic Party nationwide is that while most people react favorably to the phrase "reasonable gun control", those aware of the nature of gun control in these Democratic strongholds are terrified by the term as it's used there.

And they hold their nose and vote GOP even when they're union members.

This bill sends the message that the NATIONAL level Democratic Party isn't in support of these sorts of radical, anti-civil-rights positions. It tells gun owners nationally that even if a strongly anti-self-defense candidate such as Obama or Clinton get in office, the Democratic caucus at the Federal legislature will act as a check against their wilder impulses.

Given the strong support of gun control by both Clinton and Obama, it is vital that you send this message as quickly as possible, certainly before the election. This bill is the perfect vehicle to do so; it begins the process of addressing the worst abuses of states such as CA, NY, NJ, IL and others at no risk to public safety as it applies only to those able to pass background checks and training. The millions of gun carry permit holders nationally have proven themselves worthy of the trust they've received already, regardless of their race, gender, religion or national origin.

This bill helps your party with zero practical downside. I urge your support.

[signed]

Comments?

Rmeju
April 18, 2008, 03:51 AM
This will be absolutely amazing if it passes. Which it probably wont,
But if it does, I'm getting a Florida permit the day I turn 18. Haha, that means that I won't be able to own a handgun in NJ unless I'm carrying it.

You have to be a death row inmate to apply for a CCW if you're under 21. Otherwise you're going to have to wait.

Just ask Peter Hamm.

Reid

MarkDido
April 18, 2008, 04:53 AM
Funny,

Change the key word / thought around and you can see how asinine the whole argument is.

Driving is not a right guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment, it is a privilege. But states have no problem with recognizing a drivers license from another state now, do they?


Bill Forces States To Accept Drivers Licenses

WASHINGTON -- Americans with state-issued drivers licenses would be allowed to drive wherever they travel in the country under a bill introduced Monday by 3rd District Rep. John Boozman, R-Rogers.

The measure would eliminate a mishmash of driving regulations that vary from state to state, Boozman contends. All states would be forced to recognize drivers licenses from elsewhere.

Safety advocates oppose the bill. They say that drivers license standards in some states are so weak that other jurisdictions deserve the right to refuse those license holders.

Boozman said the bill ensures the right to travel anywhere in the country.

"I've always felt like you can have a car and drivers license, and there not be a problem," he said. That some states reject licenses from other states "infringes on their right to freely travel anywhere in the country

Nearly 62,000 Arkansans have drivers licenses

Arkansas permit holders are allowed to drive in 27 states, including every neighboring state.

Arkansas recognizes licenses issued in 30 states.

Fourteen states do not recognize licenses issued elsewhere.

"You have friends who are used to driving in their car and things like that, then inadvertently being over the state line or out of state and being concerned they were running afoul of state law," Boozman said.

Boozman's bill would require even Illinois and Wisconsin, which do not have drivers training, to recognize licenses issued in other states.

A bipartisan group of 33 House members are co-sponsors of the bill, Boozman said.

He acknowledged that it may be difficult to gain enough support for the legislation, and said there is anti-driver sentiment in the Democratic-led Congress. But he cited statistics that indicate accidents decreases in states with drivers license training

According to a study cited by the NTSB, fatal accidents declined each year from 1977 to 1994 in jurisdictions where drivers license training was in effect.

Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Campaign to Prevent Auto Accidents said his organization is not anti-car, but it opposes the bill because of its impact on states.

"There are already too many states that have too weak a system of approving people for drivers licenses," Hamm said. "I don't think the majority of states want to rely on the systems of other states to let someone drive a high-powered automobile across state borders."

For instance, Florida's standards are so low that some death-row inmates there have drivers license, he said.

Arkansas at one time had minimum reciprocity requirements, said state police spokesman Bill Sadler. Those regulations mandated that other states' training standards must be equal to or stronger than Arkansas' minimum requirements for a license holder.

The General Assembly since has stripped those requirements, Sadler said.

Sadler said he would not comment on the merits of Boozman's bill until he had seen the proposed legislation.

Boozman said he feels strongly that Americans should be allowed to drive wherever they want

"I grew up in Arkansas, and it was not uncommon to see people in high school driving around after school, going to the Tasteefreeze or the Roller Rink," Boozman said. "To be honest, it's something I always felt like there wasn't any question we could do these things."

His 26-year-old daughter, Kristen Boozman, has an Arkansas drivers license, as do other family members, he said. The congressman himself does not.

markk
April 18, 2008, 02:37 PM
It'll never pass; but it should be brought before every session of congress.
+1

JerryM
April 18, 2008, 03:12 PM
If the feds can tell the states that they have to accept all permits, it can also tell them that the states cannot accept them. I think it is a two edged sword better left sheathed.

Jerry

wdlsguy
April 18, 2008, 09:12 PM
If the feds can tell the states that they have to accept all permits, it can also tell them that the states cannot accept them. I think it is a two edged sword better left sheathed.
+1. The right thing, done the wrong way, is the wrong thing.

misANTHrope
April 18, 2008, 09:49 PM
If the feds can tell the states that they have to accept all permits, it can also tell them that the states cannot accept them. I think it is a two edged sword better left sheathed.

Only thing to note here is that the former is a provision of the Constitution, unlike the second.

yinyangdc
April 18, 2008, 10:06 PM
And while we are picking nits, there should be NO permits, nor shoud they be necessarry.

divemedic
April 19, 2008, 06:26 AM
That may happen eventually, but is years away

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