Woman survives .44 Mag between the eyes.


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Rugerlvr
April 18, 2008, 04:32 PM
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She's associated with some trashy people. But still. :what:

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isuace
April 18, 2008, 04:35 PM
1. They don't know for sure that it was a .44
2. The front of the skull is incredibly thick and hard. They don't call it the cranial vault for nothing

dmxx9900
April 18, 2008, 04:45 PM
very lucky woman

k-frame
April 18, 2008, 04:49 PM
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/apr/18/911-tape-released-case-woman-who-survived-shot-bet/?news-breaking

Boyfriend Calls 911, Says: 'She's Shot In The Head!'
By MIKE WELLS | The Tampa Tribune
Published: April 18, 2008

TAMPA - The moments after a Riverview woman was shot between the eyes – and lived – were filled with panic, as a recording of a 911 call shows.

The shooting happened shortly before midnight Saturday at Causeway Boulevard and 50th Street. The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office released the tape this morning.

In the recording, the woman's boyfriend describes for a dispatcher the horrific moment of the gunman firing:

"He got out of the sunroof and shot the gun at the vehicle and hit my girl in the head," the man said. "She's shot in the head! This ain't never happened – never before. It's like some kind of bizarre incident."

The sheriff's office has described the shooting as road-rage related and is asking for the public's help identifying the shooter.

The woman was riding in her boyfriend's Ford F-150 pickup and headed south on 50th Street when two vehicles – a white 1990s model Nissan Sentra and a gray Nissan Altima – approached, darting in and out of traffic.

As the vehicles neared Causeway, the driver of the Sentra emerged through the car's sunroof while a passenger steered and fired three times, the sheriff's office said.

A bullet struck the pickup's windshield and hit the woman in the forehead. The bullet exited the side of her head, went through the truck's rear window and hit a Jeep that was behind the Ford. No one else was injured.

The victim, a 41-year-old retail manager, spoke to the Tribune this week on the condition that she not be identified because the gunman has not been caught and she fears for her life and loved ones.

The woman was in the front passenger seat of the truck. Her 22-year-old daughter was in the back seat of the extended-cab vehicle.

The three of them had been to a drive-in movie and stopped to get sandwiches from Salem's sub shop at 2015 N. 50th St. near Seventh Avenue, she said.

After they pulled out of the parking lot, the Sentra and the Altima pulled alongside the truck, she said. When they got to a red light and stopped, the people in the cars were yelling. Two people were in the Sentra and four were in the Altima, she said.

Her boyfriend rolled down his window and asked them what the racket was about, she said. At first she thought he might know them, but he did not.

The people in the cars yelled profanities and made obscene hand gestures. A man got out of the white Sentra, walked over to the pickup and started mouthing off to her boyfriend, the woman said. Another man got out of the second car and did the same thing.

When the light turned green, the men got back in their cars and all of the vehicles continued south, she said. The cars stayed at their sides, boxing them in on the three-lane road.

"I told my boyfriend to let them hit the truck, but don't pull off the side of the road," she said. "They're up to no good."

She looked out her window. A man driving Sentra looked at her and yelled, "'I'm going to ... kill you," she said.

The woman said she picked up her cell phone to indicate she was going to call 911 and hoped that would make them go away.

When they got to the traffic light at Causeway Boulevard, the light was red and they all stopped again.

The white Sentra was in front of the pickup and the gray Altima was on the driver's side, she said. A few other cars were at the intersection, too.

She watched in horror as the driver of the Sentra stood up through his car's sunroof, turn around and aimed a large handgun at the pickup, she said. She heard a loud bang and the shattering of glass.

The two cars then sped away, and she thought the ordeal was over, the woman said.

She realized it wasn't when she felt blood running down the back of her neck and a hot stinging around two holes behind her left ear, she said.

She told her boyfriend she'd been shot and to take her to Brandon Regional Hospital.

He turned to cross the median in the road, hit a barricade and drove on Causeway toward U.S. 301. Her daughter phoned 911. Her boyfriend talked to the dispatcher, and they stopped at a Circle K and waited for deputies and an ambulance.

While they waited, she grew woozy and afraid, she said.

"In those moments I thought, 'I'm never going to seem them again,' " she said of her family. "I'm never going to get to tell them I love them again."

"I told my daughter, 'I love you,' " she said. "I told her to tell everyone else that I love them, too," the woman said.

Her daughter screamed, "Momma, don't leave me!" the woman said.

"I really thought I'd lost my life," she said.

The ambulance took her to Tampa General Hospital, and the staff couldn't believe she was alive, she said.

"The doctor just stood there staring at me," she said. "He said, 'I want to apologize to you for staring, it's just that we've never had someone come into our ER with such a large-caliber gunshot wound to the head and not be dead. You're a lucky woman.'"

Judging by the size of the holes, doctors told her the weapon could be a 44.-caliber gun, she said. It hit her between the eyes, broke in two pieces and traveled under her skin to exit behind her ear in two places.

The woman was released from Tampa General about 5:30 a.m. the next day. She had stitches but no broken bones or life-threatening conditions, she said. Her hearing and her eyesight were not affected.

Part of the bullet that hit her passed through the back windshield of the pickup and hit the front windshield of a Jeep, sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter said. Investigators determined the gunman fired three times. No one else was hurt.

The woman's family is offering a $1,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest in the case, she said.

The white Altima had gray primer paint on its trunk and it had Hillsborough County plates, the woman said. The grey Altima had Orange County plates, she said.

Based on witness statements, Carter described the gunman as a Hispanic male who wore a black nylon skullcap and a black shirt.

Anyone with information should call the sheriff's office at (813) 247-8200 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-873-8477.

Bazooka Joe71
April 18, 2008, 04:51 PM
Wow, that is just crazy lucky!

She's associated with some trashy people. But still.

Did I miss something?

glocker82
April 18, 2008, 04:54 PM
She should go buy a lottery ticket.

dmxx9900
April 18, 2008, 04:55 PM
I would go through the red light if a situation like that brewed up and I would have my revolver on my lap.

Crunker1337
April 18, 2008, 05:03 PM
Could have been a squib round. Hitting a windshield would slow the bullet, but it's still a .44 Magnum, or so they think. Could have been a weaker caliber of that approximate diameter.

So no. I'm not impressed. :)

This is why you don't rely on one bullet to do the job.

.cheese.
April 18, 2008, 05:05 PM
holy crap. That's a thick noggin! Damn lucky she is.

This is why you don't rely on one bullet to do the job.

yikes dude. Just yikes. That statement could easily be taken the wrong way by a casual internet surfer who stumbles on this thread.

41magsnub
April 18, 2008, 05:06 PM
Dirty Harry was wrong apparently...

RNB65
April 18, 2008, 05:07 PM
Time to buy a Lotto ticket.
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Heavy Metal Hero
April 18, 2008, 05:08 PM
Sweet, a local event.

Rustynuts
April 18, 2008, 06:33 PM
Probably tumbled after it hit the windshield and contacted the forehead sideways making a bigger entry wound.

csmkersh
April 18, 2008, 06:42 PM
those that have read Jim Cirillo's Guns, Bullets and Gunfights (http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Bullets-Gunfights-Modern-Day-Gunfighter/dp/0873648773) know that even good solid head hits aren't guaranteed put downs. Cirillo did a lot of work developing rounds to crack the "coconut."

MICHAEL T
April 18, 2008, 11:28 PM
44 special maybe With out the caseing can't say mag for sure

tntwatt
April 18, 2008, 11:33 PM
She should go buy a lottery ticket

Waste of money. She's already used ALL of her luck.

Nate C.
April 18, 2008, 11:36 PM
1. Could have been a wadcutter round.

2. Maybe there just weren't any vital organs in her head.

3. Ballistics. They never cease to amaze.

Billy_H
April 18, 2008, 11:38 PM
Wow...pretty crazy.

This happened right around the corner from my office. It's a fairly industrial area that is bordered by run down communities and also near a large nightclub/bar strip.

During the days it's alright, and mostly filled with workers from the area. But at night it can get a little hairy at times, like this one.

scrat
April 18, 2008, 11:53 PM
this is completely amazing. I have never heard of such a thing. For sure she is so lucky to be alive. Wow

Gator
April 19, 2008, 12:48 AM
Part of the bullet that hit her passed through the back windshield of the pickup and hit the front windshield of a Jeep, sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter said.

She's definitely lucky, but after passing through two separate pieces of auto glass the bullet may have broken up before it even hit her.

I used to know a Chicago Cop (he was about 5' 8" and 160) that took four .44 mag rounds in his chest and survived to return to full duty.

Bullets are funny things.

MachIVshooter
April 19, 2008, 01:40 AM
Average handgun rounds have a very difficult time getting through windshields. We've shot up quite a few cars out this way, and watched .40 S&W, .45 ACP, etc. glance off of windshields even when hit head on at 25 or 30 feet. I don't have much difficulty believing that someone could survive being shot with a handgun, even a large magnum, if the bullet had to penetrate the front glass of an automobile first.

Rifles, OTOH, tend to zip through rather effortlessly and often continue on with minimal deflection.

Cosmoline
April 19, 2008, 02:44 AM
NO WAY was that a .44 Magnum. I doubt it was even a .44 Special. It may have been some kind of zip gun or air gun. A .44 mag would have completely destroyed the cranium. The temporary cavity alone would be larger than her head, which means it's essentially impossible to survive. Nor would any .44 centerfire "break up" on the skull.

I don't have much difficulty believing that someone could survive being shot with a handgun, even a large magnum, if the bullet had to penetrate the front glass of an automobile first.

"A handgun" maybe, but I don't think you understand what a .44 Magnum is, my friend. It doesn't glance off auto glass. Auto glass does virtually nothing to it. Even a .357 will blow through auto glass. At most it will alter the trajectory of smaller rounds, but it won't skid them off or stop them. That's an old myth. And modern centerfire handgun rounds most certainly do not break up on skull tissue! I've shot a lot of things, including a few I really shouldn't have shot (including an entire hotel once). I've seen what magnum handgun rounds do to animals, buildings, cars, steel barrels, trees, more trees, cabins, log piles, dead moose, and of course I've studied ballistic testing of them. No way was this was a magnum handgun, esp. not a .44 Mag. NO FRICKING WAY. NO WAY, NO HOW, NOT POSSIBLE. It may have been BITS of shattered bullet after impacting something else, but not the whole slug. Or it may have been a much smaller round in the range of a 9mm FMJ or .38 special RN that slipped through.

Weighed against that, we have this:

Judging by the size of the holes, doctors told her the weapon could be a 44.-caliber gun, she said.

That's what we call double hearsay. She tells the journalist what the doctor supposedly told her, and the journalist tells us. Lots of opportunity there to mess it up. And the citation to "a 44.-caliber gun" doesn't inspire confidence. Look at the scar and tell me you honestly think that was a .44 mag!

jakemccoy
April 19, 2008, 03:34 AM
Go.

-Jake

PTK
April 19, 2008, 04:20 AM
This isn't uncommon with .22, .25, .32, .38, and other relatively low power low velocity "cheap" ammunition. The human skull is amazing, and very difficult to pierce with handgun ammunition, even more so after the bullet pierced a windshield.

My bet, however, is that it was not a .44 magnum projectile. Even a wadcutter would be hard pressed not to kill at that range, even after going through a windshield.

Cel
April 19, 2008, 04:53 AM
Great. Doctors guessing at calibers now. "Or maybe it was a .45". "Nah, definitely a .44 Special". I think there is too much CSI viewing going on now. I really doubt this was a .44.

sublimaze41
April 19, 2008, 05:01 AM
How about a smaller caliber bullet expanding to .44 inch. No way in heck was this a .44 mag......windshield or not.

My money goes on some .38 Special cheap wadcutters.

Leitmotif
April 19, 2008, 05:17 AM
Stolen gun with low-pressure handloads.

Taptaps
April 19, 2008, 05:35 AM
""She's associated with some trashy people. But still.""

not sure why you would say that, even if there was a reason. Do you know this person, or something?

I love how people are saying they aren't impressed, or surprised. Makes you sound so knowledgeable:scrutiny: get real, that sh@+ is crazy, even if it's
.32.

Dead
April 19, 2008, 08:00 AM
There was a case that involved a child being shot in the head with a 357 magnum. The bullet entered in the forehead, and came out the back of the head. The bullet travelled completely through the skull and brain. The child lost one hemisphere however they lived.

So things like this, even if the bullet enters the skull, is not unheard of. :what:

Double Naught Spy
April 19, 2008, 08:18 AM
How about a smaller caliber bullet expanding to .44 inch. No way in heck was this a .44 mag......windshield or not.

While I agree there is no way they could determine it was a .44 without a bullet, after it went through the windshield, it could have been a .44 mag.

The bullet goes through the windshield, prefragments, then hits the woman with a glancing blow.

I saw the woman interviewed on TV and saw her car. All three main fragments exited the left side of her face/head, one out her cheek and two out by the ear.

LawBot5000
April 19, 2008, 08:24 AM
I knew a guy whose cousin was shot in the head with a 45 ACP and it skidded off the front of his skull. I think he still had some brain damage, but he undoubtedly survived.

MachIVshooter
April 19, 2008, 09:09 AM
"A handgun" maybe, but I don't think you understand what a .44 Magnum is, my friend

Maybe not. It's only one of 19 handgun cartridges I handload.

Autoglass is tough stuff, especially laminated windshields. factor in the significant slope of any modeern windshield, pick-up's included, and you've increased the thickness of that glass from 1/4" to ~3/8", as well as creating substantial deflection.

Stay tuned this summer, as we have two junk cars that are going to be test subjects for exactly this type of informal analasys.

PTK
April 19, 2008, 10:10 AM
Stay tuned this summer, as we have two junk cars that are going to be test subjects for exactly this type of informal analasys.

Don't be surprised when the .44 mag barely notices the windshield.


get real, that sh@+ is crazy, even if it's .32.

You'd be surprised how often this sort of thing happens. People are rather difficult to kill.

Big Boomer
April 19, 2008, 10:22 AM
I thought shot placement was everything? :rolleyes:

Can't get a better shot than right between the eyes. Guess he should use a 22lr or a howitzer next time.

neviander
April 19, 2008, 10:26 AM
.44 Mag vs. 9mm
Go.
Now that's funny.

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