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boggyboy72
April 18, 2008, 07:53 PM
I will be going to Ft.Hood in June to see my neice while Hubby is in the Land of Sand(her words)and would like to take my ccw for the drive.Any problems with my gun in base housing?Also any problems with state laws between OH and TX?

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Ohio Rifleman
April 18, 2008, 08:02 PM
As I believe, open carry is illegal in Texas. So, don't print and make sure your gun stays concealed at ALL TIMES. As for the bas housing, I have no idea...my gut says that it's a no-no...but I'm sure someone who's actually had experience with the military will chime in.

NavyLCDR
April 18, 2008, 08:13 PM
Each base is different. The policy is set by the base commander. Here is the policy where I have been stationed in base housing with weapons:

1. Permission must be obtained from the individual command Commanding Officer (CO). The form lists the resident's name, address in base housing, and the firearms by make, model and serial number.

2. That form than goes to base security, where they keep a copy for firearms registration and they sign off on it.

3. The form then, that has been to the individual command CO and then base security goes to base housing office where they keep a copy of it.

4. There are more stringent rules for the actual storage of the firearm in the base housing unit: it has to be under two locks - one the base housing locks and second a locked closet or safe.

5. Finally transport on and off base the gun must be clearly visible and unloaded until off base.

This was the policy at two navy bases I have been stationed at. Ft. Hood, especially being Army, might be different. Is base housing even on base? If you don't have to go through a gate to get into base housing, I would say, Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Inform the base housing resident first as they have a lot to lose if something goes bad. I'll try to do some research on Ft Hood rules and regs and post them on Monday.

NavyLCDR
April 18, 2008, 08:15 PM
Between Ohio and Texas you have two options. You can either follow each states rules that you travel through and obey the state rules. Or you can unload the gun and lock the gun and ammo in the trunk and you are fine while travelling through any state. If you don't have a trunk a locked case in the passenger compartment will work. Look up Firearms Owners Protection Act. It's 18 USC 926A off the top of my head.

NavyLCDR
April 18, 2008, 08:19 PM
Here's something, but not much. Doing more research.

http://www.hood.army.mil/policies/SJA%2006%20Weapons%20Violations.pdf

csmkersh
April 18, 2008, 08:24 PM
If you don't have a carry license or if it's one Texas doesn't recognize, place your handgun in the console or glove box. Unlicensed possession is legal but the handgun must be concealed.*

Once at base housing, remove the handgun and unload it secure it. It it's a revolver, a small padlock behind the trigger will act as a trigger lock. It it's a semi, a bike lock works.

Ft Hood has armed military at the gates. You'll need to present ID; a valid drivers license works. Would be even better if your niece or her husband were with you to show their military ID.

Main Gate is on Hwy 190. I don't know if you'll be coming East from Copperas Cove or West from Killeen. I assume West. There are signs indicating the Visitors Center where you'll need to get a temporary gate pass. Vehicle registration, Proof of insurance and a valid driver's license. Once again, niece or husband could be helpful here.

*TX PC §46.02 Unlawful Carrying Weapons. This specifies the manner in which a loaded handgun may be transported. There are no restrictions on long arms.

Texas Reciprocity Agreements (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm)

NavyLCDR
April 18, 2008, 08:28 PM
csmkersh,

Do you know the specific policy on weapons transport on Ft. Hood? A random vehicle search at the gate might turn very very ugly.

NavyLCDR
April 18, 2008, 08:32 PM
I found this in the hunting on Ft Hood regulation:
Firearms brought on the installation require registration with the
(continued) Provost Marshal and proof of registration, FH Form 190-X19 (Privately
Owned Firearms Registration) must be carried on the person while
hunting.
• Refer to FH REG 190-11 (Weapons) for details on registration.

I can't find a copy of FH REG 190-11, but it looks like a FH Form 190-X10 form is required.

http://forthoodhunting.com/210-25.pdf

NavyLCDR
April 18, 2008, 08:34 PM
And this:
http://forthoodhunting.com/html/requirements_to_hunt_on_fort_h.html

All weapons must be registered with the Fort Hood Provost Marshall Office before being brought onto Fort Hood and participating in any shooting activity on the base. The PMO office is located at the corner of Battalion Avenue and 58th Street. The PMO only requires the make, model, caliber or gauge, and serial number of the firearm(s) for registration. Do not bring the weapons with you to be register.
Once you have registered your weapons you be given a copy of the registration form, and this form must accompany the weapon at all times while on the base. When entering the Base you will notify the Access Control Point (ACP’s) Guards that you are entering the base with a weapon and they will check the registration form against the weapons serial number.
You are reminded that any firearm being transported on Fort Hood must not be loaded; firearm and ammunition must be separated and not readily accessible by persons while in the vehicle. All vehicles are subject to search. Any changes to these procedures will be posted at the Sportsmen’s Center. Archery equipment and crossbows are not required to be registered on Fort Hood.

csmkersh
April 18, 2008, 08:38 PM
FH REG 190-11 is a joint III Corp & FTH reg. Check HERE (https://mdtt.hood.army.mil/capability/documents/ground/190-3.pdf) for a pdf file.

boggyboy72
April 18, 2008, 08:44 PM
What I will be doing is flying down and driving back with her(and 2 babies and 2 dogs)so I will get there one day and leave the next.Will have to find out about gates and MPs most defiinately do not need any problems.Thanx for the info so far.

csmkersh
April 18, 2008, 08:49 PM
Do you know the specific policy on weapons transport on Ft. Hood? A random vehicle search at the gate might turn very very ugly.

No, I don't. I carry so much I forget I've got a piece with me most of the time, but shuck it ASAP into the trunk.

And yes, a vehicle search could get very interesting under the wrong circomstances. The gate guards are armed with the M9 (Berett 92 for civilians :) ) and there's at least one AR in the guard shack.

doc2rn
April 18, 2008, 09:23 PM
My first day on LeJeune I transferred in with a 9mm. I went right to the provost martial with an Unloaded firearm. They register it for the base file also copy of ID and you are done in 30 mins. Dont declare and get caught, you are looking at some serious ramifications for you and your spouse, they will punish her also. FWIW CCW is not frowned upon in the military, follow the rules and you will be left alone.

Rmeju
April 18, 2008, 09:31 PM
Talk to the PM (provost marshal). They'll probably ask you to lock it up in an armory set up for the purpose

If they do, don't give it to them and stay off base. If I had a nickel for every time a gun went into that armory clean and came out dirty, I'd have about 35 cents

Reid

Jim K
April 18, 2008, 09:49 PM
This kind of thing crops up all the time. My advice in general is to NOT carry the gun out of state if you are worried about legalities. FOPA allows you to carry an unloaded gun, locked in the trunk or equivalent and inaccessible to the driver. So, in effect, if you did need it you couldn't get to it.

As to registration on a military base, the rules generally apply to 1) active duty personnel or dependents with privately owned guns, 2) civilians living on base with privately owned guns, and 3) persons entering the base for a specified purpose, such as an authorized pistol match. (Police, military personnel and others officially armed are an exception, of course.) Since you will be none of the above, you might not be able to register the gun and keep it with you; you might have to surrender it until you leave.

The easiest way to find out might be to call your niece and have her make inquiries. She will know the base bureaucracy better than you.

Jim

Navy joe
April 18, 2008, 11:35 PM
I guess the big question is where is base housing? Often housing will be in an open(uncontrolled) area of the base and residents can come and go with their weapons without a problem. That of course is absent a base policy requiring weapons in housing to be registered. Ask the niece.

tntwatt
April 18, 2008, 11:57 PM
Be VERY CAREFUL! Ask your neice to get the base specific information. Carrying an unregistered weapon onto an Air Force Base here in Ga. will get you some serious time. These guys take base security VERY seriously here. They also lock down the base randomly and search every 3rd car coming in and going out. They even go so far as to use dogs to sniff out exsplosives.

I had to go pick up my brother in law after a TDY. I left my pistol at home. Didn't even think about the range gear in my trunk. Some of which was loaded extra magazines in my range box. Got tagged as the 3rd car in a random search. The dog alerted on my trunk and the SHTF. They immediately drew down on me, secured me and then started the long line of questions.

These guys had just gotten back from IRAQ and weren't taking any chances. Took 60 minutes just to get them to let me open the trunk. Luckily, one of the officers driving through the gate recognized me from the range. (it pays to be nice to your range mates, helped him with a broken shell in an AR one day).

boggyboy72
April 19, 2008, 08:10 PM
I checked and I would have to pass thru a gate.Guess I will just leave it at home.Thanks for all the help.

Treo
April 19, 2008, 09:07 PM
how about you get a hotel room off post & leave it there (never mind baaaaaad Ju-Ju )

Uh nice signature there boogy boy.

boggyboy72
April 20, 2008, 12:02 AM
I was re-reading Dune and came across it.Going by number of posts looks like you had it first.LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!!

vpost
April 20, 2008, 12:27 AM
Do NOT take a firearm on Ft. Hood! That is a very quick trip to the federal pen, Before I retired I got my Texas CHL, and that is one of the few places in Texas you cannot carry. If She lives on the south side of 190 in Kouma village or Liberty village, same thing DO NOT Carry it, leave it in the hotel or at home.

Vince

Treo
April 20, 2008, 12:42 AM
Quote : "I was re-reading Dune and came across it."
BI- LA KAIFA
YA HYA CHOUHADA MUAD'DIB !

I say this a lot but it's one of the rules I go by. Carrying a gun on Ft. Hood will likely cause more problems than it solves. work around it , get a hotel ( still think it's BAAAAAAD JU-JU) maybe leave the gun at an off-post freinds house. ( doublepluss ungood Ju-Ju but better than leaving it unsecured in a hotel) .
Use the whole thing as an excuse to buy a NEW gun (private sale) as you're leaving Texas ( Kewel Ju-Ju).

Have you read the pre-queles to dune yet?

boggyboy72
April 20, 2008, 01:39 AM
I've pretty much decided a gun is to much hassel for such a short stay.Yes,I've read the ones leading up to the first books and the ones about the war with the machines.

peyton
April 20, 2008, 05:17 AM
Welcome to the FEDS keeping the military safe. I have lived there several years, they really frown on weapons being carried in without being registered first. And they do search cars randomly so your revolver in the car console will be noticed. Now this is the funny part, during deer season I show up at 5 am in my Elmer Fudd hunting outfit, the guards ask if I have guns in the car, I answer yes and then we spend 5 minutes discussing the merits of the 30.06 versus the 30.30. No check of paperwork or serial numbers. Now the cars coming back from the clubs are searched thoroughly.

209
April 20, 2008, 10:20 AM
Yep. The military has an rather interesting concept about guns. I got caught in a vehicle search at West Point. :uhoh:

It took a bit of tap-dancing to be cleared. I ended up having to talk to a full-bird to get clear that time. It's much easier talking to the people on post before you carry there. It'll save you hours of crap and then the PX is closed so the trip was wasted before you are released. :p

csmkersh
April 20, 2008, 10:41 AM
Like Peyton, I've hunted Hood. Also hunted on Camp Bullis down here in San Antonio.

When I was a kid, back in the 1940s, it wasn't all that unusual for the barracks to have issue weapons in them rather than locked away in an arms room. But as more and more officers came from the "liberal" left, regs changed. For years, I openly carried my personal .45, then after, or maybe during 'Nam, the Army put out ARs banning personal handguns.

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