Thin .45acp That Is Not A 1911


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Monkeybear
April 19, 2008, 01:27 AM
I have a friend that I have convinced to get his CCW. He has decided he wants a .45acp chambered pistol for carry and asked me for suggestions. I have never really had any interest in the .45acp and so I didn't know what to tell him. I taught him to shoot, with my guns, and in doing so I passed along my dislike for guns with safety levers.

What are some suggestions for a thin .45acp autoloader that dose not have a safety lever. DA/SA or DAO(ish) is fine. His MOA dose not involve safety levers so please no suggestions for a 1911. He wants a thin CCW more than anything else. It can be full size or comact, but thin is a must. I let him try out my Glock 19 for IWB carry, just around the house, and he told me that it was about as thick a firearm as he would like to carry.

Any suggestions that would point my friend in the right direction?

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Funderb
April 19, 2008, 01:30 AM
berretta px4 or like compact model, kimber sis compact.
sig, of some persuasion? H&K USP?

there's a lot of options out there.

The "slim" factor is severely limited by the caliber, mind you, .45 is not small.

MaterDei
April 19, 2008, 01:34 AM
Let your friend decide for himself whether he likes 'safety levers'. Take him to a range where you can rent guns and try different 45s out. You both might learn that there is no reason whatsoever to fear manual safeties.

If your friend is looking for a thin 45 a 1911 just can't be beat.

Monkeybear
April 19, 2008, 01:39 AM
He has decided. If I were deciding things for him he would be carrying a 9mm. Probably a Glock 19. I do think I may have influenced him though. He likes shooting 1911s just fine. Who doesn't? As far as CCWs go he seems to have taken on my dislike for anything where you don't just pull the trigger.

If the gunstores were awash with slim .45s that weren't 1911s I would be able to help him myself. As it stands I can't think of anything slimmer than the G19 that is not a 1911.

LawofThirds
April 19, 2008, 01:51 AM
Has he considered Para's LDA? 1911 frame, double action movement.

Try him out on an XD, a Kahr PM45 (the thinnest of the bunch I think) and see how he does.

Also see if you can get him near a short L frame or Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 special as it's another round with similar performance to 45 ACP. Sometimes a wheelgun will feel "smaller" to someone because of the roughly oblong profile.

charles nutinsky
April 19, 2008, 01:52 AM
Kahr P45. Slim and no levers

Charles

Rayden
April 19, 2008, 02:09 AM
Try the Ruger P345. It's pretty slim and DA/SA. Decocker and safety lever, but it does not have to be engaged.

K.L.O.sako
April 19, 2008, 02:12 AM
how about a revolver?

yongxingfreesty
April 19, 2008, 02:13 AM
one of the kahr .45s. that should work. g luck

Monkeybear
April 19, 2008, 02:19 AM
I forgot about Kahr. I will tell him to look into that Para as well. Where can I find the P250 is .45. Might want one of those for myself.

LawofThirds
April 19, 2008, 03:27 AM
I don't believe they've put the .45 onto the market here in the ol' US of A quite yet, something about some teething bugs. Most reports indicate mid July.

ARTiger
April 19, 2008, 03:32 AM
S&W CS45 or the other alloy framed single stack that's a bit bigger (can't remember the model #)

NWdude83
April 19, 2008, 03:44 AM
Kahr CW45

ldp4570
April 19, 2008, 09:31 AM
I know its not as classy as some mentioned here, but you might want to try out the S&W 4516, small, very reliable, very accurate, its only downside is its a little heavier than the others mentioned. Also its alot slimmer than all mentioned so far.

hankdatank1362
April 19, 2008, 09:42 AM
Smith & Wesson 4506. I know there's some DAO variants or decocker-only variants out there, or he could just leave the safety off and have a true DA/SA.

Grips are even thinner than a 1911. Slide is about the same, maybe a little thinner.

If you don't know what it looks like, it's the gun carried by Vic Mackey on "The Shield" or by Denzel's character Alonzo in "Training Day."

MechAg94
April 19, 2008, 11:03 AM
The Sig P220 comes in compact models. The only safety lever is the decocker with DA/SA action.

XD .45 compact and Glocks etc of the same type.

Tom Fury
April 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
They did make DAO models; 4576, 4586, and others; all DAO variants; probably have to try gunbroker or gunlist auctions tho. Every good thing said carries over.
Cheers, TF

Jguy101
April 19, 2008, 11:32 AM
Glock's 36 is a single-stack .45 that's slightly slimmer than the 9mm and .40 models. I've used one; nice gun.

TS537
April 19, 2008, 11:46 AM
I was just about to suggest that. I handled, but did not fire one a couple weeks ago when I was shopping for guns. I presently have no particular interest in .45s or Glocks, but the G36 would definitely be something to check out. Unless I'm missing something, I think it fulfills the OP's criteria.

Technosavant
April 19, 2008, 11:52 AM
I'd recommend the Kahr- those tend to be nice and thin. Barring that, things like the Glocks, XDs, M&Ps, and so on are usually noticeably thicker than a 1911 in the slide area.

The Lone Haranguer
April 19, 2008, 12:10 PM
Smith & Wesson 4516 or 457. They do have safety levers, but they do not have to be used as safeties. Although not very common in .45, DAO variants are out there. These will have to be bought used.

Ghost Tracker
April 19, 2008, 01:00 PM
I prefer Kahr in steel-framed models, but there's no .45 acp available. So, the GLOCK G36 seems like an ideal match.

DawgFvr
April 19, 2008, 01:47 PM
Damn...I've had Para CCW come to me now in three threads...my subconsicous mind must be telling me something.

highorder
April 19, 2008, 01:54 PM
They did make DAO models; 4576, 4586, and others; all DAO variants;

Remember, the S&W 3rd generation pistols are all modular to some extent. you can buy a 4506 and swap out parts to make a slick side DAO if you like.

AK103K
April 19, 2008, 02:10 PM
SIG's old P245 is pretty slim. Its the predecessor to the "Compact" and doesnt have the silly beavertail.

They are accurate, reliable guns that are easy to shoot well with. You can also use standard P220 mags in them for your reloads.

Looks like this.....

http://www.remtek.com/arms/sig/model/245/245.gif

mgregg85
April 19, 2008, 02:14 PM
I like my XD45 compact, wouldn't call it slim though unless you compared it to a Glock 21, that thing is like a log.

No manual safeties(unless you buy a new version with the optional safety).

MCgunner
April 19, 2008, 02:19 PM
The G36 is quite slim and small for IWB. I don't like safe action triggers. I'd prefer the 8 lb option or, perhaps, a comparable XD with the redundancy of the grip safety. That's just me, but I've always been rather wary of the safe actions. He might like it, though, goes bang with no levers and very nice sized gun for carry.

KurtC
April 19, 2008, 02:24 PM
The S&W .45's that are DAO have a width of .83" for the slide, and 1.1" at the widest part of the grip. Since there are no safeties or decockers to stick out, they are among the thinest .45's on the market. The 4556, 4586 (TSW) and 4546 have stainless frames, while the 4553TSW and 4583TSW have alloy frames.

VARifleman
April 19, 2008, 02:49 PM
As far as CCWs go he seems to have taken on my dislike for anything where you don't just pull the trigger.
Except that taking the safety off is part of the draw, and since your thumb rides the safety, it's part of your grip? :confused:

Pat-inCO
April 19, 2008, 03:00 PM
Smith & Wesson 4506.
Not even close. The S&W is 60 to 80 thousandths thicker (depending on which dimension you look at) than a 1911 (I measured mine against one of my Kimber 1911s). The S&W is also six onces heavier that the Kimber SIS Custom (all steel).

The S&W is FAR less than a good choice for concealed carry. It is great for open carry (imposing size) and is a pussy cat to shoot.

rantingredneck
April 19, 2008, 03:02 PM
+1 on the P345. I have two of them. Very reliable and about the same dimensions as a commander size 1911. You can get a DC only or you can get one with the external safety and leave it disengaged.

AK103K
April 19, 2008, 03:04 PM
and since your thumb rides the safety, it's part of your grip?
Hows that working out for you on slide mounted safeties? :)

hankdatank1362
April 19, 2008, 03:41 PM
The S&W is also six onces heavier that the Kimber SIS Custom (all steel).

I'l give you that. It's a heavy SOB, but I like heavy guns.

serrano
April 19, 2008, 03:52 PM
http://www.glock.com/images/g36.jpg

Glock 36? It's part of Glock's slimline.

Pops 1
April 19, 2008, 03:58 PM
Beretta PX4 45

Tom Fury
April 19, 2008, 04:18 PM
than the 4506; they have all been mentioned, and the guy asked about other than 1911's in OP.
I think the first requirement in a CCW is reliability; I think the S&W's have you covered better than anything else mentioned yet (IMNSHO).

Slide mounted safety can be pushed to off in the draw, just as easily as a frame mounted one; its' just a different drill.

Cheers, TF

lee n. field
April 19, 2008, 04:34 PM
What are some suggestions for a thin .45acp autoloader that dose not have a safety lever.

Glock 36 (http://www.glock.com/english/glock36.htm) looks like it would fit the bill. 6 round single stack .45 compact. Was tempted by one a few days back, may yet get it, circumstances allowing.

jocko
April 19, 2008, 04:43 PM
PM45, litest, smallest, thinest...

kahr.com

Funderb
April 19, 2008, 04:59 PM
what about the glock 7, even lighter!

modifiedbrowning
April 19, 2008, 05:16 PM
What about a Witness .45.

hso
April 19, 2008, 05:17 PM
Make sure that he handles enough different guns to find out what fits him. Since he learned to shoot using your guns and you've professed a dislike for guns with safety levers I'll make the leap that he hasn't shot a 1911 or a CZ75 or a Sig or a...

If that's the case, we all do him a disservice if he doesn't get the chance to find out if one of these guns (or others) aren't a better physical fit for him matching his grip angle and reach more closely so that he has the opportunity to look for a variant without an external safety.

SwampWolf
April 19, 2008, 06:03 PM
I recommend the SIG 220 "Carry". No safety,reliable, slim as a 1911 and a grip that (for me at least) is almost perfect.

Geno
April 19, 2008, 06:11 PM
Thought I would post ths link for the fun of it:

http://members.aol.com/wsp45/

Now that, that is a thin .45 ACP.

Monkeybear
April 19, 2008, 08:56 PM
Taught him to shoot on my CZ75BD. I am not the only person to take him shooting, I don't even own anything in .45acp right now, so I don't know all that he has had a chance to use but I do know from our discussions that he has fired and enjoyed a 1911. He also fired my Sig P232 but was not a fan. He is a smart guy who can make decisions for himself, he just asked for a suggestion about slim .45s without external safeties. If he didn't mind an external safety he would not have specifically asked me for pistols that do not have them. He probably would not have had to ask me anything and just went a got a 1911.

We went to a few gunstores today. I was looking for a Kahr K9 to replace my G19 and he was looking for something in .45acp. We saw a Kahr CW45 that he liked alot. We handled just about everything in the stores we went to and that is the only one that really made an impression on him. I told him about the G36 but we were unable to locate one. We didn't find very many metal framed S&Ws and none in .45. I saw a Sig P250 with nightsights for $619 but talked myself out of it.

Kilted Cossack
April 19, 2008, 11:35 PM
Ahem, excuse me while I put on my flame-proof underwear. There we go.

I'll mention two slim .45 ACP pistols I've owned, and which I liked, and which worked for me. Both were from Taurus. One, the 945, felt like a SIG 220 with ambi-safeties/ambi-decockers. (While the 945 has the option of cocked and locked, you can simply use the safeties as decockers and carry DA.) The other is the PT145. Like the 945, it does have a safety, but as a DAO I never used it.

Taurus seems to have a reputation on the internet for poor QC and CS. I can only speak from my own experience---both the 945 and PT145 worked great for me. (As have the other Taurus autos I've owned, although I'll point out that I don't own a Taurus at present.)

I actually liked the 945 more than the SIG 220 I owned at the same time, and sold the SIG first. The 220 was a nice pistol, though, and I'd certainly not cry if "that's what I had."

All my Kahr experience is with an old flatside steel K9, but I like the idea of the new poly-.45s. The one that really catches the eye for me is the TP45--the 4" barrel. For a belt gun, I find the butt to be more important for concealment than the slide length, and I am instinctively prejudiced in favor of "more running room" for an automatic pistol to cycle.

On a side note, I think we share general preferences in autopistol design: I think the only controls should be a mag release, a trigger and a slide lock, and a smooth double action only trigger. Except for the "smooth trigger" part, that's a good description of my new SW9VE. (Me and the Afghan National Police!)

VARifleman
April 19, 2008, 11:48 PM
Hows that working out for you on slide mounted safeties?
I don't recall anyone even mentioning a slide mounted safety, but was responding to the poster saying that he didn't want to have to take the safety off, so no 1911s. The safety on a 1911 is on the frame, and is supposed to be ridden by the thumb.

rdrancher
April 19, 2008, 11:56 PM
Ahem, excuse me while I put on my flame-proof underwear. There we go.

I'll mention two slim .45 ACP pistols I've owned, and which I liked, and which worked for me. Both were from Taurus. One, the 945, felt like a SIG 220 with ambi-safeties/ambi-decockers. (While the 945 has the option of cocked and locked, you can simply use the safeties as decockers and carry DA.) The other is the PT145. Like the 945, it does have a safety, but as a DAO I never used it.

I was wondering when the PT145 would be mentioned. The little Taurus does look interesting, and 10+1 in a compact package is amazing. I'll be looking for one to try out, that's for sure.

rd

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