HI- Standard .22 Mag Derringer


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Hertzfeld
April 19, 2008, 06:09 PM
Does any one know what the value is for a HI- Standard .22 Magnum O/U Derringer. The gun is blued steel with what appears to be ivory grips? SN 1576473. It is in excellent condition and even has the origianal case with logo.

Id appreciate as much help and info as I can get

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Jim K
April 19, 2008, 08:04 PM
It was made between 1967 and 1970. The grips are plastic. Value today, with the box is about $250.

They are not bad defense guns, though of course limited to two shots. Few will shoot both barrels to the same place, diverging around 3-4" at 10 yards. That is not too important at the closer ("card table") range they were made for.

Jim

bannockburn
April 19, 2008, 08:31 PM
Hertzfeld

I was bidding on one a couple of months ago on an online auction site. It was in nearly the same condition as you described, along with its original box. My last auto bid was at $250. I think it eventually went for $300.

Hertzfeld
April 19, 2008, 08:32 PM
Thanks for giving me some info Jim. Gram and Gramps used to carry matching pistols for defense at their bar during the late 60's, its always had a significance.The one was sold and the other sits in a safe.

Hertzfeld
April 19, 2008, 08:37 PM
Hmm..it makes me wonder what the original msrp was for it.

bannockburn
April 19, 2008, 10:41 PM
Hertzfeld

The Gun Digest for 1973 lists both the D-100 .22LR and the D-101 .22Magnum. The blued D-100 retailed for $49.50; the nickel version was $62.50. The D-101 was $2.00 more for either the blued or nickel finish.

John Stimson
April 20, 2008, 05:58 AM
High Standard Derringer S/N 1,576,473 shipped 12/28/1968.

The 1968 Jobber cost including Govt excise tax was $23.47. Distributor cost was $28.37 and the retail price was $34.95 The D-101 and the DM-101 were the same price.

The D-101 didn't come about until mid to late 1969 - before that it was the D-100.

The Gun Digest and most other similar publications are always a year off in the data because it is compiled and released the year before the cover date. The Factroy February 1, 1972 Price list gives the retail price as $49.50, the November 1, 1973 price list showed 51.73 and the November 1 1973 price list showed $57.50

Hertzfeld
April 20, 2008, 04:32 PM
Incredible, I appreciate all of the feedback

Harley Quinn
April 20, 2008, 10:53 PM
I think I have one of those some where in the back of my safe:D It was a good wallet gun, until CA outlawed the wallet:uhoh:

Moonclip
April 20, 2008, 11:22 PM
I had one of these guns in .22lr but it was unreliable:( I thought the shoot thru wallet holster law was federal law?

TCOV
April 26, 2008, 07:36 PM
I bought one of the 22mags new and it was fun to shoot. Big ball of fire from the barrel. It didn't take many rounds before the frame started getting loose and I sold or traded it, can't remember which. The 22mags seem to be a little collectable as they did not make as many as the 22 long rifle. Carry it if you like but don't shoot it a lot.

Moonclip
April 26, 2008, 07:43 PM
I usually see more of the .22mags locally.

TCOV
April 26, 2008, 08:06 PM
Moonclip I was just assuming they made more in 22lr than 22mag. I see that Bluebook lists no difference in value between the calibers but shows lots of variations. My thoughts were the 22mag was too high pressure for the design but it seems they kept making them along with the 22lr. I wouldn't worry about carrying one in tight condition, I just wouldn't shoot it a lot as in my experience it definitely got loose and I shimmed the pivot pin to tighten it up.

Carl N. Brown
April 26, 2008, 09:07 PM
The 1968 list price of 34.95 and 1973 price of 49.50 require a little historical perspective. I bought a new Marlin 336C (C as in walnut stock) for 69.95.

John Stimson
April 26, 2008, 09:18 PM
The .22 Mag derringers were introduced about a year after the .22 LR version but overall, the magnum version was made in larger quantities. There were a few years when no .22 LR models were manufactured if I recall correctly. Both calibers were produced in large numbers.

Jim Watson
April 26, 2008, 09:24 PM
I had one for a while. It was a neat little gun, reliable and quite accurate in the Smoke 'em Joe manner with the forefinger laid along the barrels, firing with the middle finger. I traded it off when I realized I was often setting out to defend myself with two shots just because it was light and flat.

Carl N. Brown
April 27, 2008, 08:20 AM
An odd note about the High Standard Derringer is that
possession of the derringer with the after-market
wallet holster with trigger finger cut-out constitutes
an NFA AOW (1934 National Firearms Act Any Other
Weapon). Apparently since the gun can be fired
within the holster that looks like a wallet not a gun.
Possession of a High Standard Derringer with a wallet
holster without a trigger finger cut out is just a pistol
with a holster.

John Stimson
April 27, 2008, 09:07 AM
I believe the original wallet holsters were aftemarket but at some point, High Standard sold these holsters with their name and logo. They may have been selling the wallet holsters after the determination by ATF of the any other weapon status. The High Standard marked holsters were most likely made by one fo teh people already making this style holster. Several different companies made this style holster.

It is possible to have the wallet holster legally registered so that you may put a derringer in the holster but some states may not allow the combination.

The original design of the derringer by Fred Stevend had a shorter barrel and I'll bet that no one laid a finger along the barrel more than once with the short barreled prototype if ever.

Harley Quinn
April 27, 2008, 10:24 AM
Regarding the wallet and derringer in CA Penal Code.

The specific law in California can be found in 12020 PC I believe. It covers most of the weapons that are not allowed.

There is about 5 pages of subsections to it. Anything that is disguised is in this section, including dirks and daggers in sheaths etc...

ENVESTR
November 29, 2008, 05:51 PM
I need a set of grips hi standard dm101 derringer) white espesially the right grip
doe sanyone know where i can oder them or have them for sale at a reasonable pricethank you

arcticap
November 29, 2008, 11:50 PM
There's additional colors in the select color box, but the original screws may not fit. Email them for details.

http://vintagegungrips.net/ao-h45.html

Doublet
November 30, 2008, 08:34 AM
I have a original instruction / parts sheet for one .

Marlin 45 carbine
November 30, 2008, 09:31 AM
I carried one of those on a chain around my neck years ago when I followed construction welding. good guns, mine shot OK at 20'. I put maybe 50 rounds through mine, kinda sorry I sold it to buy a Beretta .32acp.

EShell
December 5, 2008, 09:19 PM
http://www.tombstonegrips.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGG&Product_Code=HS_22_Derringer_19&Category_Code=Misc

Sebring Pop
January 9, 2009, 06:59 PM
I have a 22 mag and would like to get anything related to it.
Doublet if you would like to part with that paperwork let me know.
I have 2 sets of grips and would like a wallet holster. If you know where one is, let me know.
Thanks Pop

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