2dogs
August 14, 2003, 04:37 PM
News flash, power outages.
Several cities around USA- what's up with this?
WWIII starting early?
Several cities around USA- what's up with this?
WWIII starting early?
Power outages.....................?
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AZTOY
August 14, 2003, 04:40 PM
Power outages reported in Northeast, including New York City, and other cities including Cleveland, Ohio, and Detroit, Michigan:(
The looters will have blast :(
Major power failure across Northeast
Toronto, Detroit also affected by unexplained blackout
BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC AND NBC NEWS
Aug. 14 — A major power blackout hit several major cities in the Northeast, the Midwest and Canada late Thursday afternoon, knocking out electricity to millions of people in New York, Toronto, Detroit, Cleveland and elsewhere.
THE BLACKOUT, which sent thousands of New Yorkers streaming into the streets and briefly knocked television networks off the air, could not be immediately explained. Most of the cities are linked on the same regional power grid, however.
MSNBC TV showed aerial pictures of fires in the Bronx and Brooklyn. CNN reported that a fire had been reported at the Consolidated Edison plant in New York.
The evening rush hour was just beginning, and NBC correspondents described scenes of pandemonium.
Officials of the Homeland Security Department said they had no immediate information on the blackout, which struck cities stretching from Hartford, Conn., and Syracuse, N.Y., west to Detroit and Cleveland and north to northwest Ontario. The entire city of Toronto was affected, MSNBC television reported.
Much of New England, however, including all of Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New Hampshire, southern Vermont and eastern Connecticut, were unaffected.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/952578.asp?0cv=CA01
The looters will have blast :(
Major power failure across Northeast
Toronto, Detroit also affected by unexplained blackout
BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC AND NBC NEWS
Aug. 14 — A major power blackout hit several major cities in the Northeast, the Midwest and Canada late Thursday afternoon, knocking out electricity to millions of people in New York, Toronto, Detroit, Cleveland and elsewhere.
THE BLACKOUT, which sent thousands of New Yorkers streaming into the streets and briefly knocked television networks off the air, could not be immediately explained. Most of the cities are linked on the same regional power grid, however.
MSNBC TV showed aerial pictures of fires in the Bronx and Brooklyn. CNN reported that a fire had been reported at the Consolidated Edison plant in New York.
The evening rush hour was just beginning, and NBC correspondents described scenes of pandemonium.
Officials of the Homeland Security Department said they had no immediate information on the blackout, which struck cities stretching from Hartford, Conn., and Syracuse, N.Y., west to Detroit and Cleveland and north to northwest Ontario. The entire city of Toronto was affected, MSNBC television reported.
Much of New England, however, including all of Massachusetts, Rhode Island and New Hampshire, southern Vermont and eastern Connecticut, were unaffected.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/952578.asp?0cv=CA01
RustyHammer
August 14, 2003, 04:47 PM
LOCK AND LOAD !
Carlos Cabeza
August 14, 2003, 04:51 PM
Happens alot in the middle of summer. The power grids are overtaxed with
too many air conditioning systems running at once. Plus, heat is the natural enemy of electricity.
too many air conditioning systems running at once. Plus, heat is the natural enemy of electricity.
buzz_knox
August 14, 2003, 04:51 PM
Nope. Just a screwup in the power grid.
atek3
August 14, 2003, 04:51 PM
Let me be the first to officially proclaim, "The sky is falling."
Man, what is the deal with this country. First jerks flying airplanes into our buildings, now this. Ya, I agree w/ rusty hammer. Seriously freaky stuff man.
atek3
Man, what is the deal with this country. First jerks flying airplanes into our buildings, now this. Ya, I agree w/ rusty hammer. Seriously freaky stuff man.
atek3
Outlander
August 14, 2003, 04:53 PM
Here in Jersey we were out for about 15 minutes .... back on in my area now.
dinosaur
August 14, 2003, 04:57 PM
Remember 1965 & 1977?
Oops, 1965. My bad.:what:
Oops, 1965. My bad.:what:
Schuey2002
August 14, 2003, 04:57 PM
To all who live in the area of this power outage. Stay safe. :)
Mike Irwin
August 14, 2003, 05:00 PM
Tin foil Tin FOIL WHERE THE HELL IS THE TIN FOIL??!!!??:eek:
El Tejon
August 14, 2003, 05:00 PM
dino, don't tell the young ones about history. They believe the world began with them.:D
Betty
August 14, 2003, 05:02 PM
merging threads.....
MJRW
August 14, 2003, 05:04 PM
Power outage? Holy crap, that never happens! Quick, call the DHS and tell them to upgrade to propaganda alert level burnt orange, not regular orange.
Mike Irwin
August 14, 2003, 05:07 PM
NO NO NO!
The DEF-SUB-REP-COM-PLAT-LANT-LERT-LEVEL should be NAVEL ORANGE!
The DEF-SUB-REP-COM-PLAT-LANT-LERT-LEVEL should be NAVEL ORANGE!
geekWithA.45
August 14, 2003, 05:10 PM
"Prepare For....Ludicrous Speed!"
-Lord Dark Helmet
"Whoa! They've gone plaid!"
-The han solo guy
-Lord Dark Helmet
"Whoa! They've gone plaid!"
-The han solo guy
Greg L
August 14, 2003, 05:17 PM
Baby boom next May?
dinosaur
August 14, 2003, 05:19 PM
A little more history for the young uns. In 1965 I was in Illinois in Tech School. We weren`t affected but my family was. No big problems except 9 months later a lot of babies were born in NYC. :what: :D
In 1977 I was laid off the NYPD. There were riots all over the place. One of the hardest areas hardest hit was Broadway in Brooklyn. I was working for a friend of mine who`s uncle owned (key word here, owned:cuss: ) a liquor store on Broadway. He along with just about every other merchant was burned out.
My wife`s family`s block was burned to the ground. Luckily they had moved sometime before.
I myself was sitting in my friend`s warehouse. I`d be lying if I said I had a 1911A1 since I didn`t have a CCW. :evil: Of course we were located next to the Mafia Cement Co.:eek:
In 1977 I was laid off the NYPD. There were riots all over the place. One of the hardest areas hardest hit was Broadway in Brooklyn. I was working for a friend of mine who`s uncle owned (key word here, owned:cuss: ) a liquor store on Broadway. He along with just about every other merchant was burned out.
My wife`s family`s block was burned to the ground. Luckily they had moved sometime before.
I myself was sitting in my friend`s warehouse. I`d be lying if I said I had a 1911A1 since I didn`t have a CCW. :evil: Of course we were located next to the Mafia Cement Co.:eek:
bogie
August 14, 2003, 05:19 PM
What is the temperature in NYC?
What is the expected low temp for tonight?
If it's too hot, things will get nastier.
What is the expected low temp for tonight?
If it's too hot, things will get nastier.
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 05:20 PM
Baby boom next May?
That only happens when people get snowed in. Its too hot when the AC goes out.;)
In all seriousness... this is the time I sit back and laugh at all the people that can't handle a night without TV.
Latest news says fire in NY generator started it.
That only happens when people get snowed in. Its too hot when the AC goes out.;)
In all seriousness... this is the time I sit back and laugh at all the people that can't handle a night without TV.
Latest news says fire in NY generator started it.
Schuey2002
August 14, 2003, 05:31 PM
What is the temperature in NYC?
The news mentioned that it was in the mid 90's in NYC..;)
Latest news says fire in NY generator started it.
They just said that, "The NIAGRA MOHAWK power grid overloaded which tripped off the breakers, causing a cascade effect in the power grid in the NorthEast."
The news mentioned that it was in the mid 90's in NYC..;)
Latest news says fire in NY generator started it.
They just said that, "The NIAGRA MOHAWK power grid overloaded which tripped off the breakers, causing a cascade effect in the power grid in the NorthEast."
bogie
August 14, 2003, 05:44 PM
Okay - I wonder how many folks up there are gonna make like the folks in LA who went out to buy guns when South Central went up? And then found out that they couldn't...
Greg L
August 14, 2003, 05:45 PM
If anyone is nearby it would be cool to go get some evening/nighttime shots of NYC with a darkened skyline.
Of course those people who are close enough to take advantage of that photo opp probably can't read this (yet) :rolleyes:
Of course those people who are close enough to take advantage of that photo opp probably can't read this (yet) :rolleyes:
Drjones
August 14, 2003, 05:49 PM
Maybe Gray helped out with these outages.
He sure does a swell job of making sure we can't keep the power on here in CA!!! :)
:rolleyes: :banghead:
He sure does a swell job of making sure we can't keep the power on here in CA!!! :)
:rolleyes: :banghead:
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 05:51 PM
They just said that, "The NIAGRA MOHAWK power grid overloaded which tripped off the breakers, causing a cascade effect in the power grid in the NorthEast."
They said that's where it over-loaded, but not where it started. Apparently something in NY short circuited and over worked the Niagra Mohawk grid.
Still early.............
They said that's where it over-loaded, but not where it started. Apparently something in NY short circuited and over worked the Niagra Mohawk grid.
Still early.............
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 05:52 PM
THAT'S IT!!!
Gray Davies did this to distract us from Arnolds campaign.
Gray Davies did this to distract us from Arnolds campaign.
Norm357
August 14, 2003, 05:57 PM
Rioting starts at dusk!:what:
AZTOY
August 14, 2003, 06:00 PM
Rioting starts at dusk!
I hope not, but i will be watching Fox News;) to see if it does.
I hope not, but i will be watching Fox News;) to see if it does.
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 06:02 PM
You mean "looting".
Schuey2002
August 14, 2003, 06:13 PM
.. i will be watching Fox News to see if it does.
Me too. ;)
Me too. ;)
jimpeel
August 14, 2003, 06:16 PM
My fellow Americans,
Today, we find ourselves suffering a power outage that is blanketing the Northeast. My reccommendation to all Americans is "Deal with it".
Continue your day to day activities as best you can and know that this is not a terrorist related incident.
If this were a terrorist related incident, my reccommendation to the American people is "Deal with it".
We are Americans. We are the strongest, most stalwart, most admired, and most envied people on the face of the Earth. We must continue to act accordingly.
So, deal with it.
God Bless America.
No questions please. If you have questions, you havn't been listening.
Today, we find ourselves suffering a power outage that is blanketing the Northeast. My reccommendation to all Americans is "Deal with it".
Continue your day to day activities as best you can and know that this is not a terrorist related incident.
If this were a terrorist related incident, my reccommendation to the American people is "Deal with it".
We are Americans. We are the strongest, most stalwart, most admired, and most envied people on the face of the Earth. We must continue to act accordingly.
So, deal with it.
God Bless America.
No questions please. If you have questions, you havn't been listening.
cuchulainn
August 14, 2003, 06:17 PM
Fox News Their website hasn't changed in hours and has absolutely nothing about the blackout. I wonder why ;)
veloce851
August 14, 2003, 06:39 PM
Well I find it interesting that they are debunking the terrorist potencial so quickly and without all the facts in.
I've not heard of power outages effecting this many cities at once.
But I'm not familiar with this "1965 and 1977"?? what kind of outages went on there.
While I'll agree its probably doubtfull that its a terrorist related incident.
It could be a training event for what is intended to truly take place.
It could take days/weeks/or even years to tell if it was a "hack" that caused it.
While its hot and people are without power of course the feds and local government are going to say. No biggie folks its just a simple outage.
If anything it shows the badguys how vulnerable the power grids are.
I've not heard of power outages effecting this many cities at once.
But I'm not familiar with this "1965 and 1977"?? what kind of outages went on there.
While I'll agree its probably doubtfull that its a terrorist related incident.
It could be a training event for what is intended to truly take place.
It could take days/weeks/or even years to tell if it was a "hack" that caused it.
While its hot and people are without power of course the feds and local government are going to say. No biggie folks its just a simple outage.
If anything it shows the badguys how vulnerable the power grids are.
geegee
August 14, 2003, 06:41 PM
You mean "looting".
No, what we're referring to here is "shopping for new electronics." Almost as good a deal as winning a championship game. Or losing one. Or tying one. :neener: geegee
No, what we're referring to here is "shopping for new electronics." Almost as good a deal as winning a championship game. Or losing one. Or tying one. :neener: geegee
AZTOY
August 14, 2003, 06:45 PM
The airports are closed thay can't screen the people.
Homeland Security at is best:D
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH:neener:
Homeland Security at is best:D
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH:neener:
Skunkabilly
August 14, 2003, 06:50 PM
Time for the government to declare a War on Blackouts....
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 07:03 PM
Who's got a flashlight on their Molon Labe hat?
Maybe Correia can market a new Molon Labe hat for our NY, THR members?
Maybe Correia can market a new Molon Labe hat for our NY, THR members?
Miss Demeanors
August 14, 2003, 07:07 PM
Power here in Chicago went out for about five minutes but flicked back on. Had to check to see if I paid the electric bill :D
2dogs
August 14, 2003, 07:39 PM
I'll agree its probably doubtfull that its a terrorist related incident
That certainly seems to be the case for now- but I wouldn't count it out completely.
FNC had a nuclear plant guy on- he said even if this isn't terrorist related it presents a target of opportunity for them. Seems the nuclear power plants, one of which isn't far from NYC, depend on external power sources (electricity) for cooling. If the external power source goes down, they switch to internal power sources- diesel generators. If those internal power sources are taken out- that could lead to melt down. He said he hoped that the security at the nuke plants was being beefed up- haven't heard anything about this, and the FNC folks seemed to get the guy off the air in a hurry- maybe they didn't like him giving suggestions.
Lots of folks live in high rises in NYC- when night falls and they all get home with no AC, no elevators and 87 degree temperatures- well I hope for the best for them.
Oddly, my section of this city was w/o power Tuesday for about 5 hours.
That certainly seems to be the case for now- but I wouldn't count it out completely.
FNC had a nuclear plant guy on- he said even if this isn't terrorist related it presents a target of opportunity for them. Seems the nuclear power plants, one of which isn't far from NYC, depend on external power sources (electricity) for cooling. If the external power source goes down, they switch to internal power sources- diesel generators. If those internal power sources are taken out- that could lead to melt down. He said he hoped that the security at the nuke plants was being beefed up- haven't heard anything about this, and the FNC folks seemed to get the guy off the air in a hurry- maybe they didn't like him giving suggestions.
Lots of folks live in high rises in NYC- when night falls and they all get home with no AC, no elevators and 87 degree temperatures- well I hope for the best for them.
Oddly, my section of this city was w/o power Tuesday for about 5 hours.
Atticus
August 14, 2003, 07:45 PM
For some reason I keep seeing an image of Homer Simpson flipping the wrong switch....DOH!!
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 07:54 PM
For some reason I keep seeing an image of Homer Simpson flipping the wrong switch....DOH!!
Just heard that this is all being blamed on God. Something about a bolt of lightning.:uhoh:
Just heard that this is all being blamed on God. Something about a bolt of lightning.:uhoh:
Lone_Gunman
August 14, 2003, 07:57 PM
Soda Pop,
God may be responsible.
But I don't see how they could have ruled out Allah yet.
God may be responsible.
But I don't see how they could have ruled out Allah yet.
Bruce H
August 14, 2003, 08:07 PM
The sad thing is it's a wonder there aren't more of them. Generating capacity has to cover bigger areas. If an overload happens in the start or the middle of a power grid things fall rapidly. Until we get more capacity online things like this will be common. Too little doing too much without any backup.
gun-fucious
August 14, 2003, 08:13 PM
Detroits power is offline too
Now that's a city that makes a production out of Mischief Night
Now that's a city that makes a production out of Mischief Night
fmjcafe
August 14, 2003, 08:18 PM
My folks live just outside Detroit and are without power. I advised Pop keep the 12ga. close by tonight.
greyhound
August 14, 2003, 08:25 PM
Time for the government to declare a War on Blackouts....
But how can we all "please keep shopping as usual" if all the stores are without power? Oh well, I guess I'll go chuck $100 down the sewer drain to keep the economy humming.....:D
But how can we all "please keep shopping as usual" if all the stores are without power? Oh well, I guess I'll go chuck $100 down the sewer drain to keep the economy humming.....:D
spartacus2002
August 14, 2003, 08:29 PM
CNN says lightning hit a Niagara Falls power station or power distribution spot. Wonder if it's true or.........
Hmm., I wonder if AR15.com is hosted in Detroit, Cleveland, or NYC, because their site is down....
Hmm., I wonder if AR15.com is hosted in Detroit, Cleveland, or NYC, because their site is down....
SodaPop
August 14, 2003, 08:31 PM
Lights are coming on in NY!!
Thumper
August 14, 2003, 08:31 PM
Fox is showing a shot across the river. Looks like parts of Queens already have power again.
Greg L
August 14, 2003, 08:42 PM
I'll agree its probably doubtfull that its a terrorist related incident
However any halfway intelligent terrorist probably had lightbulbs going off over his head at the reaction that the media is hyping this up into. Why the media thinks that the rest of the country is going to shut down to watch people in Manhattan walk home from work is beyond me. The sad part is that much of the country did just that :banghead: .
Greg
However any halfway intelligent terrorist probably had lightbulbs going off over his head at the reaction that the media is hyping this up into. Why the media thinks that the rest of the country is going to shut down to watch people in Manhattan walk home from work is beyond me. The sad part is that much of the country did just that :banghead: .
Greg
Nathaniel Firethorn
August 14, 2003, 09:07 PM
What is the temperature in NYC?According to National Weather Service, peaked at 91 at 17:51 EDT.
Full history here: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html
Canadians are blaming a lightning hit on a Niagara power station on the US side. US does not confirm.
No rioting or looting reported so far. Cross fingers...
- pdmoderator
Full history here: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KNYC.html
Canadians are blaming a lightning hit on a Niagara power station on the US side. US does not confirm.
No rioting or looting reported so far. Cross fingers...
- pdmoderator
BlkHawk73
August 14, 2003, 09:38 PM
Just watched a bit on CNN and had to laugh. Hillary and a few others were commenting how NY'ers really handled it great and orderly. Well, I just got back once again from a week in NY and I gotta tell ya...I've never seen so many people that are disorderly and unable to handle themselves without the simplest modern convience. :rolleyes: Think I'm kidding, try giving a NY'er a manual can opener:p Yup, watching the ariel shots you could just see the cooperation and comradery on the roads.:D I'm sure the huge amounts of patience people there have was a helpful asset also. :rolleyes: Also thought it amusing to see those that have all thier fancy and $$$ humbled into walking.
Don't get me wrong, I've met some wonderful people from there - married one - but visiting there still makes me glad I'm NOT from there.
How many billions will this cost us?:cuss:
Don't get me wrong, I've met some wonderful people from there - married one - but visiting there still makes me glad I'm NOT from there.
How many billions will this cost us?:cuss:
El Tejon
August 14, 2003, 09:46 PM
Don't worry Blkhwk73 only those of us in states with fewer electoral votes than New York will have to pick up their tab.:scrutiny:
Sean Cloherty
August 14, 2003, 10:13 PM
A link to the Weathermatrix story seems to show a lack of lightning near NiMo territory on the NY-Canuck border.
http://www.weathermatrix.net/2003/0814/ltg-anim-0308141800.gif
Also check out stories on front page: http://www.weathermatrix.net
http://www.weathermatrix.net/2003/0814/ltg-anim-0308141800.gif
Also check out stories on front page: http://www.weathermatrix.net
telomerase
August 14, 2003, 11:04 PM
>Don't worry Blkhwk73 only those of us in states with fewer electoral votes than New York will have to pick up their tab.
Yeah, we will... but even Californiacs have to pay for New Yawk's debt sprees. There's just something magic about the Rotten Apple.
We can console ourself with the knowledge that paying for Federal aid is painful, but receiving it is lethal. Look at Washington, D.C. (over $17,000 per pupil in their public schools!), the Marshal Plan (it was England and France that got most of the money... Germany actually paid net reparations!), the Warsaw Pact, etc. etc. etc. If New York wants to join the list of "successful" aid programs then just be glad they're dumb enough to take the money.
We're getting off easy.
Yeah, we will... but even Californiacs have to pay for New Yawk's debt sprees. There's just something magic about the Rotten Apple.
We can console ourself with the knowledge that paying for Federal aid is painful, but receiving it is lethal. Look at Washington, D.C. (over $17,000 per pupil in their public schools!), the Marshal Plan (it was England and France that got most of the money... Germany actually paid net reparations!), the Warsaw Pact, etc. etc. etc. If New York wants to join the list of "successful" aid programs then just be glad they're dumb enough to take the money.
We're getting off easy.
Zip06
August 14, 2003, 11:10 PM
I was just watching the video of the incredible mass of humanity trying to get out of NYC. Already reports of jacked up prices, even water. Didn't look to orderly to me with people blocking traffic, climbing over cars etc. I was thinking how lucky some of us are in preparing for such an occurrence by having a backpack in our vehicle and certain items on our person. If the power grid doesn't come up soon its going to be an interesting night in the big apple. Remember 1977 with all the looting, rioting and mayhem?
jimpeel
August 14, 2003, 11:29 PM
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jimpeel
August 14, 2003, 11:56 PM
CANADIAN POLICE REPORT SERIOUS LOOTING IN OTTAWA.
LOL!!
LOL!!
Schuey2002
August 15, 2003, 12:01 AM
I just saw that on FoxNews..
(You beat me to it..) ;)
(You beat me to it..) ;)
Nathaniel Firethorn
August 15, 2003, 09:06 AM
Also thought it amusing to see those that have all thier fancy and $$$ humbled into walking.Yep. There have been stories on the news about Those Who Have being forced to walk (eeech!) for one, even two MILES! :rolleyes:
Doesn't the Constitution guarantee a right to perfect comfort at all times?
- pdmoderator
Doesn't the Constitution guarantee a right to perfect comfort at all times?
- pdmoderator
Carlos Cabeza
August 15, 2003, 09:28 AM
In New York 91 deg. is hot ? HAHAHAHHhAA ! WIMPS ! J/K :D
As far as power outages go, BTDT, got the generator. My power was out three or four times this spring. A couple of times for several days.
Still, I apologize for my insensitivity. 50 million is a LOT of people.
As far as power outages go, BTDT, got the generator. My power was out three or four times this spring. A couple of times for several days.
Still, I apologize for my insensitivity. 50 million is a LOT of people.
TarpleyG
August 15, 2003, 11:37 AM
In all seriousness... this is the time I sit back and laugh at all the people that can't handle a night without TV.
Funny you mention that. My in-laws live three hours away and come visit from time to time. If the DirecTV goes out, within 5 minutes my FIL is packing up the bags ready to go home...and God forbid the cable goes out at thier place.
GT
Funny you mention that. My in-laws live three hours away and come visit from time to time. If the DirecTV goes out, within 5 minutes my FIL is packing up the bags ready to go home...and God forbid the cable goes out at thier place.
GT
Double Naught Spy
August 15, 2003, 12:03 PM
I am not sure who scares me more. I don't know if it is folks like 2dogs who see terrorism and conspiracy under every rock or folks like many of the people in New York City who actually believed the government both times in the past when it was claimed that such power outages could not happen again.
Default assumpts on innuendo to such events as being terrorist-related is hugely alarmist and not terribly productive. As noted by several others previously, these things usually happen for reasons OTHER than intentional terrorist reasons. Power outages and major blackouts have a well established history of happening for reasons other than intentional damage.
No 2dogs, it isn't WWIII and this does not fit your theory on the other thread that WWIII will start in September.
Between terrorists and paranoid gun folks, the terrorists often come out looking like they are working through well reasoned plans contrary to the paranoid gun folks. The significant difference is that the terrorists are evil and the paranoid gun folks have good intentions, but both may get you killed.
Default assumpts on innuendo to such events as being terrorist-related is hugely alarmist and not terribly productive. As noted by several others previously, these things usually happen for reasons OTHER than intentional terrorist reasons. Power outages and major blackouts have a well established history of happening for reasons other than intentional damage.
No 2dogs, it isn't WWIII and this does not fit your theory on the other thread that WWIII will start in September.
Between terrorists and paranoid gun folks, the terrorists often come out looking like they are working through well reasoned plans contrary to the paranoid gun folks. The significant difference is that the terrorists are evil and the paranoid gun folks have good intentions, but both may get you killed.
Drjones
August 15, 2003, 12:41 PM
I am not sure who scares me more. I sure do: the average New Yorker who, based on reports in this thread, acts as if its the end of the world because there's no electricity and they have to walk and suffer a little heat.
What happened to the brave folks of 9/11 who banded together in the face of terrorism? Here it seems that they're pretty much unable to cope with a simple power outage. It may be bad media coverage, so I may be wrong...
What scares me are people who venture out into the world, ESPECIALLY NY'ers, without even the most rudimentary of tools: a flashlight or two (heck, you can buy indestructible, bright LED lights that are small enough to carry several very easily) a knife and/or multitool, and (I know this won't fly in NY, but...) a firearm. Idiots.
People like that scare me because they are unprepared, mentally and tool-wise, for whatever life throws at them. People who are unprepared panic and generally do not help bad situations.
Double Naught, be fair now; I hardly think 2dogs sees "terrorism and conspiracy under every rock." He just isn't ruling it out, and I'm not either. I place terrorism as a cause of this very low on the list, but I haven't checked it off. If that makes me paranoid, so be it. :rolleyes:
What happened to the brave folks of 9/11 who banded together in the face of terrorism? Here it seems that they're pretty much unable to cope with a simple power outage. It may be bad media coverage, so I may be wrong...
What scares me are people who venture out into the world, ESPECIALLY NY'ers, without even the most rudimentary of tools: a flashlight or two (heck, you can buy indestructible, bright LED lights that are small enough to carry several very easily) a knife and/or multitool, and (I know this won't fly in NY, but...) a firearm. Idiots.
People like that scare me because they are unprepared, mentally and tool-wise, for whatever life throws at them. People who are unprepared panic and generally do not help bad situations.
Double Naught, be fair now; I hardly think 2dogs sees "terrorism and conspiracy under every rock." He just isn't ruling it out, and I'm not either. I place terrorism as a cause of this very low on the list, but I haven't checked it off. If that makes me paranoid, so be it. :rolleyes:
JeFF D
August 15, 2003, 01:44 PM
Just got power back about 5 minutes ago here in Metro Detroit.
That was hard, no computer no THR. I sure missed it so glad thats over.
I spent last night loading up spare mags getting ready for looters, thankfully never had to use them.
That was hard, no computer no THR. I sure missed it so glad thats over.
I spent last night loading up spare mags getting ready for looters, thankfully never had to use them.
2dogs
August 15, 2003, 02:03 PM
I don't know if it is folks like 2dogs who see terrorism and conspiracy under every rock
What scares me are folks who mistake wise cracks for world views.;)
What scares me are folks who mistake wise cracks for world views.;)
Skunkabilly
August 15, 2003, 02:10 PM
What scares me are folks who mistake wise cracks for world views.
how do you explain the Democratic party? :neener:
how do you explain the Democratic party? :neener:
2dogs
August 15, 2003, 02:19 PM
explain the Democratic party
Insidious mold creeps into the skull, grows very fast and forces the brains to ooze out of available orifices.
Well, that's one explaination- I'd venture a guess there are many others. :neener:
Insidious mold creeps into the skull, grows very fast and forces the brains to ooze out of available orifices.
Well, that's one explaination- I'd venture a guess there are many others. :neener:
Mike Irwin
August 15, 2003, 02:25 PM
"I sure do: the average New Yorker who, based on reports in this thread, acts as if its the end of the world because there's no electricity and they have to walk and suffer a little heat."
Dr. Jones, given everything that I'm seeing on the news, I'd have to say that a reaction like that would have been from an ATYPICAL New Yorker.
Relatively peaceful night, with normal levels of crime, virtually no looting, and hardly any public disturbances.
The 1977 riots were truly an aberation -- a period of serious economic malaise for the city & people of New York, low to no expectations for the future, etc.
Dr. Jones, given everything that I'm seeing on the news, I'd have to say that a reaction like that would have been from an ATYPICAL New Yorker.
Relatively peaceful night, with normal levels of crime, virtually no looting, and hardly any public disturbances.
The 1977 riots were truly an aberation -- a period of serious economic malaise for the city & people of New York, low to no expectations for the future, etc.
Drjones
August 15, 2003, 02:33 PM
Mike:
As I said in my post, I based my comments solely on information in this thread, and what little information I've read online.
I haven't caught TV news on this yet.
So, as I said, I may be wrong...
As I said in my post, I based my comments solely on information in this thread, and what little information I've read online.
I haven't caught TV news on this yet.
So, as I said, I may be wrong...
Mike Irwin
August 15, 2003, 02:36 PM
Ah, gotcha.
Drjones
August 15, 2003, 02:38 PM
Thanks.
But still, the little news I have read in the morning's paper and in some online snippets portray people as simply not knowing what to do with themselves.
*shrug*
But still, the little news I have read in the morning's paper and in some online snippets portray people as simply not knowing what to do with themselves.
*shrug*
Skunkabilly
August 15, 2003, 02:40 PM
C'mon, Californians riot after winning or losing a ball game!
Get with it! :neener:
Get with it! :neener:
Mike Irwin
August 15, 2003, 02:55 PM
"But still, the little news I have read in the morning's paper and in some online snippets portray people as simply not knowing what to do with themselves."
yeah, and I think that's to be expected. Virtually every facet of life in a large city is dependent on electricity one way or another.
There's not much to be done. Sit around, talk to people, try to find something to eat or drink (which can be hard), and/or try to find some place to sleep.
There was a great picture on the front page of the Times this morning taken at dawn of hundreds of people sleeping on the steps of the NY Public Library (I think it was the library).
I'd have to say that the exact same thing happened to a large degree on 9-11, only it simply wasn't reported because there was other news drowning it out.
In a situation like a power outage, though, there simply isn't as much for people to do.
yeah, and I think that's to be expected. Virtually every facet of life in a large city is dependent on electricity one way or another.
There's not much to be done. Sit around, talk to people, try to find something to eat or drink (which can be hard), and/or try to find some place to sleep.
There was a great picture on the front page of the Times this morning taken at dawn of hundreds of people sleeping on the steps of the NY Public Library (I think it was the library).
I'd have to say that the exact same thing happened to a large degree on 9-11, only it simply wasn't reported because there was other news drowning it out.
In a situation like a power outage, though, there simply isn't as much for people to do.
RCL
August 15, 2003, 06:20 PM
I work about two miles away from the Niagara power plant, there wasn't a cloud in the sky at the time of the power blackout (National Weather Service says the closest storm was hundreds of miles away). The report about the lightning hit first came from the office of the Canadian Prime Minister (Canada, and it's power plant, are directly across the Niagara River from the Niagara Power Project).:scrutiny:
Skunkabilly
August 15, 2003, 06:35 PM
Probably that towed MRLS trailer loaded with EMP heads I loaned to Flory a couple months ago...
(I told you not to press the red button!!!)
(I told you not to press the red button!!!)
jimpeel
August 15, 2003, 07:07 PM
Now the politicians are calling for "investigations" and a "comprehensive energy bill". That should fix the problem.
I'm so glad that we have professional politicians to tell all of those rank amateur electrical engineers how to do their job and do it right.
I predict that under the expert guidance and tutelage of the federal government, next time we will drop power to the entire nation.
I'm so glad that we have professional politicians to tell all of those rank amateur electrical engineers how to do their job and do it right.
I predict that under the expert guidance and tutelage of the federal government, next time we will drop power to the entire nation.
Zedicus
August 15, 2003, 07:18 PM
personaly i think that aproxamitly two thirds of the entire electricity infrastructure needs a Major overhaull...
jimpeel
August 15, 2003, 07:27 PM
personaly i think that aproxamitly two thirds of the entire electricity infrastructure needs a Major overhaull...That's good, because only one-third went down.
By the way, do you mean where we are or where you are?
By the way, do you mean where we are or where you are?
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