Er.."interesting" placement of 30.06 sign


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DigMe
August 14, 2003, 07:10 PM
I recently transferred from one school to another by the organization that I work for. The other school had the 30.06 signs at all their entrances and when I got to this school I observed that there were no 30.06 signs at any entrances (it's still illegal to carry in a school though). The other day though I was in the teacher's workroom waiting for some copies to finish and I looked up and finally found the sign. They had it hanging about 12 feet up in the teacher's workroom. I'm sure if any armed gunmen ever invade the school they will go directly to the teacher's workroom, see the sign and disarm. We know how effective those signs are anyway right? Maybe it's a statement by someone at the school who actually has common sense enough to think "this thing is just about as effective for preventing criminal gun activity hanging 12 feet up in the teacher's workroom as it is hanging at each entrance." :scrutiny:

Anyway, nice placement.

brad cook

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QuarterBoreGunner
August 14, 2003, 08:00 PM
When I saw the thread topic I was thinking Caliber 30-06 and was very confused...

I take it '30.06' is a penal code or some such regarding private business and whether you can carry there or not?

Standing Wolf
August 14, 2003, 10:14 PM
I guess children's lives aren't worth defending.

Bartholomew Roberts
August 14, 2003, 10:15 PM
Due to either irony or the sense of humor in Texas politicians, 30.06 is the section of the Texas legal code that specifies what type of sign must be posted to prohibit lawful concealed carry on private property.

Airboss
August 15, 2003, 12:11 AM
Ask a bank manager the other day that had 3006 signs posted if she thought they did any good!When she said" of course"I asked why not put up a sign instead that said "Don't rob this bank" Funny never got a good answer to that.:D

tiberius
August 15, 2003, 01:17 AM
Several things are wrong with this.

1. One of the requirements under 30.06 is that the sign must be posted in a prominent place.

2. School premises are illegal for CHL carry period. No sign is required.

3. On 9/1/2003 it will be illegal for any government entity to ban CHL carry except where specified in the legal code….Assumes this is a public school of course.

In other words, the sign is improperly placed to be binding, but is unnecessary due to other restrictions and will soon be completely illegal to post. :)

seeker_two
August 15, 2003, 05:12 AM
I guess children's lives aren't worth defending.

To them, it's a small price to pay to avoid possible lawsuits & criticism from fellow liberal Democrats (some of which are golfing in NM)... :fire:

DigMe
August 15, 2003, 01:39 PM
2. School premises are illegal for CHL carry period. No sign is required.

As I stated in my original post.

3. On 9/1/2003 it will be illegal for any government entity to ban CHL carry except where specified in the legal code….Assumes this is a public school of course.

Hmm...I thought that only applied to city gov't. Also I was under the impression that schools would still be off limits. That would be awesome if they followed Utah's example and started allowing school carry.

brad cook

jsalcedo
August 15, 2003, 01:45 PM
Carry in school will still be forbidden.

Its only municipal and state govt buildings that will be changed to allow carry.

Ironbarr
August 15, 2003, 05:02 PM
is there link to that particular statute? I'm interested in sparking similar "school carry" capability in VA.

Thanks.

-Andy

tiberius
August 15, 2003, 06:23 PM
I guess that I wasn't clear enough. It is ILLEGAL for normal CHL holders to carry in school buildings in Texas and it will continue to be so. Carry in parking lots and sidewalks of the schools is legal because "premises" is defined as the building itself.

The new preemption law that takes effect on 9/1 forbids local governments from posting "no CHL" signs on facilities that they own or lease. I was just speculating that this new law makes the referenced sign even more silly because since schools are run by the local governments, they would not be allowed to restrict access. Of course, it is irrelevant because schools are specifically restricted in Texas law.

Yes it is silly, but even in Texas they do silly things “for the children”.

Ironbarr
August 15, 2003, 08:33 PM
I get it. Thanks.

As I understand current VA law, here school is defined as school and anything else controlled/operated - includes buses, ball parks, parking lots, events (football/graduation, etc.) even if held "off-premises.

Parking lot cars just became ok for students/employess IF they are enrolled/engaged in "gun things" and [properly stowed.

If I'm wrong here, I'm sure there will be corrections offered - and they are welcomed.

As a grandfather of four in school and active in their "transport when necessary" (you know how that goes - Pa's taxi) I detest and see no value in my being un-equipped when the kids travel with me to/from school events. It's another knee-jerk reponse to Columbine fever.

-Andy

TexasVet
August 17, 2003, 02:53 AM
Another thing that may be confusing to non Texans is that NO local government has any schools in Texas. There are NO 'county' or 'city' schools. All Texas public schools are run by Independant School Districts, some of which are older than statehood and go back to the Republic. They answer directly to voters in their districts, and to some extent the State, but not to any other local government entity.
They can, and often do overlap city or county boundries.
There may be a "city" school board in some places, Houston used to have one ('til it got stuffed with libertarians who voted it out of existance!), but it was strictly a clearing house for supplies, not assosciated with running any schools.

tiberius
August 17, 2003, 10:56 AM
Since they take my money without asking, I think that the ISD's are local governments, just not subserviant to the cities or counties.

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