Man shot 9 times in a robbery

[Darkness]

Here in my home town. Man is shot 9 times during a robbery, and the injuries are reported as not life-threatening.

Wow...

If this guy is not Wolverine, would this be a case of insufficient caliber or really poor shot placement (all nine times!). :what:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24226641/

[Don Lu]

shot 9 times with what ??? and where was he hit ??? very important info.

[LawofThirds]

I was attending a comminuty college a couple years ago finishing up some general education requirements and had two volunteer fire dept. members in a class. Talking to them about the numerous shootings in the projects that they had attended to and in a combined 15 years of experience, neither had seen a shooting victim shot above the nipples and most of them were in the upper thigh. Try holding your gun gangsta style with it up in the air above your sight line as shown in movies etc and then look at the actual line of the bore.

[searcher451]

A bartender in Portland, Oregon, a few days ago was struck multiple times, including once in the chest, by bullets fired from a handgun, and he looked pretty darn good (all things being equal) when he was interviewed by the TV folks after the fact. I've been waiting to hear what sort of weapon and caliber was used but no luck so far. Sometimes it just pays to be lucky.

[Treo]

During the Northfield bank robbery that essentially ended the careers of the James/Younger gangs, Cole Younger was shot 11 times.

[1911 guy]

That's why we have the two basic rules of gunfighting. First, have enough gun. Secondly, know how to use it. The shooter in this case apparently failed at least one requirement, possibly both.

[Matt-J2]

Before I read the link, I had assumed it was the robber who had been shot 9 times.

I was clearly wrong.

I reckon it's as 1911 guy says, due to the fact that the injuries were listed as not life threatening by the media. Sometimes, people walk away from accidents/events and it just boggles your mind as to how, and this could be one of those as well I suppose, but what little info was in the article leads me to believe otherwise.


The other idea is that Mr. Bank Robber didn't want to actually kill the victim, he just wanted to use the gun as a tool to rob the bank and get away with it. Unlikely to be sure, but if so, then he apparently brought exactly enough gun and knew how to use it, since he hasn't been found yet.

[CJ]

I thought a trend among many gang types was to shoot people someplace embarrassing...like the buttocks...less danger of killing someone and ever facing murder charges, degrading to the victim, and gets them out of the way for a while.

Even if that were the case here, I'd think that 9 shots would seem a little excessive!

[Vonderek]

A lot of time in the old west if a guy was shotgunned each pellet was counted as a "gunshot wound". Maybe this case is similar?

[Eightball]

Heard of a bartender back home who got hit 8 or 9 times with a .25 in the chest at point blank, and then proceeded to beat the crap out of the guy who shot him, and then called for an ambulence. Turned out fine.

I'd be willing to bet this was a similar thing--too small of a gun. But since it was the victim rather than the thief who got shot, that isn't a bad thing.

[btg3]

During the Northfield bank robbery that essentially ended the careers of the James/Younger gangs, Cole Younger was shot 11 times.

Amazing. I was curious and found the links below...

At the scene of the robbery, Cole Younger had been shot five times, in the left thigh, left hip, right arm, right side, and left shoulder. Then his gang was pursued by numerous posses for 2 weeks before the final gun battle in which Cole took 6 more hits -- including chest and head. He still manage to tip his hat to the ladies watching when his captors paraded him into town.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/jamesyoungergang/northfield.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/jamesyoungergang/hanska.html

[brigadier]

My dad (who lives in North Charleston, South Carolina) told me last year that someone in his area got in to a shoot-out with a cop at a gas station, the cop unloaded a .45 on him, hitting him every time and the man didn't even fall down.
I don't recall the gun model or capacity but I seam to remember it being a 1911 of some sort. I also seam to recall that every shot hit him in the back as he was fleeing. He had shot and injured the cop before the cop started shooting but the injury wasn't life threatening.

[Zoogster]

A lot of it is luck.

Some people hit with a lethal shot will be perfectly alert, in little pain even afterwards and as they are loaded into the ambulance. They have full cognitive abilities and are alert and give a detailed description of what happened with no gasps or theatrics.
Some officers have given a detailed report of events to others in just such a way, being the primary witness to events and then dying minutes later in route.




Other individuals take many rounds, are bleeding out on the ground, sitting there for a long time before anyone notices or calls for help, then another several minutes after someone does as medical personel arrive. They are unconscious and appear dead to the casual observer in a pool of blood. They go on to make a full recovery.

[Leanwolf]

VONDEREK - "A lot of time in the old west if a guy was shotgunned each pellet was counted as a "gunshot wound."


Yep! And the ignorant media pap dispensers still report shotgun wounds the same, today.

L.W.

[abrink]

Maybe he was shot with 4 mm RANDZ CURTE in the foot?

lol

Well at least he'll have something to remember next time he goes to rob someone. Oh yeah and if some of you don't believe the caliber i listed is real, look it up.

http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/rimfire-detail.php?ammunition=16&product=168&rimfire=2

[stolivar]

We just had a story in th KC MO paper about being shot 11 times with 17 holes in him. It took him 2 years before he fully recovered and went back to being a HP LEO.



steve

[kgpcr]

15 shots in a leg and you limp away. its really misleading as to how many shots you can absorb. I have seen a deer soak up 7 12ga slugs and keep going. Not one however was in the vitals. i finished it 7 hours later witha head shot as it came by me. I have never seen a deer shot in the lungs live. People claim i hit it 3 time right behind the shoulder!!! yet later its found they were gut shots. Lady gets hit in the head witha 44mag and lives. Well story is the bullet went through the wind shield and fragments hit her in the head. Way big difference there!

[Geronimo45]

Number of shots doesn't matter. Size (for small arms) doesn't matter. Humans are tough, sometimes (and lucky, sometimes). One of the two BGs in the Miami Shootout took a lethal shot right off the bat. Shot up/killed several FBI guys before he went down to other wounds.
The TX governor riding with JFK in Dallas (Connally?) took a Carcano round and survived.

[Guitargod1985]

A lot of time in the old west if a guy was shotgunned each pellet was counted as a "gunshot wound". Maybe this case is similar?


Doesn't 00 buckshot have 9 pellets?

[gallo]

Incidents like this one are not a matter of poor shot placement or caliber selection. The guy could have been shot at point blank with a bazuka and still walked away. It simply wasn't his time go.

[Erik]

"not life-threatening"

That description covers a lot of ground, much of which I hope to never see.

[USMCDK]

Hey don't forget that some people are dumb enough to take PCP (Elephant tranquilizers) which hops you up with inhuman like rage, adrenaline, and with that numbed pain receptors. Now I know that the article didn't say much and said nothing about what I just offered as a reason, but it's still out there.

For instance some time back in the early 90's when I wasa just a knee high lil boy, there was an incident up here in NH where a guy was doped out with PCP and got into it with local LE needless to say it turned out bad and the LEO's had to shot the guy. Worst part was three .40 rounds actually hit him in the chest and he kept on raging about. I was insane said the former Crime supervisor of my PD (Sgt. Doubty) the guy was only dropped when he sucame to wounds to his legs that made them inoperable. Of course the man died at the hospital of his wounds to include external bleeding and pooling of blood in his lungs. The fact remains that he was shot, and shot placement of that kind would usually drop a sober human USUALLY, and was still able to make life difficult.

[buttrap]

Feller here got shot 11 times with a 9mm couple weeks ago, he is up and about. The gal that was shot in the same shooting was hit twice and still in hospital. 2 fair hits sure seems to beat 11 really poor hits. Only one of the 11 hits was to the torso and that was in the guts,a second one there probably would have killed the guy.