Another nail in the coffin of personal responsibility


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priv8ter
August 14, 2003, 11:46 PM
Those of you who watch baseball remember the guy that jumped out of the stands and commenced beating up an Umpire back in April, I'm sure. Funny how this didn't get as much air time as the attack itself.

Just wondering, do you folks in Illinois get to VOTE for judges, or will this guy get to stay in office?




Sox Park attacker gets probation

August 7, 2003

BY CARLOS SADOVI AND JOHN JACKSON Staff Reporters Advertisement








Saying baseball players encourage violence at ballparks, a judge decided Wednesday not to send William Ligue Jr. to jail for storming onto the field at Sox Park with his 16-year-old son last year and attacking Kansas City first-base coach Tom Gamboa.

Ligue walked out of the courthouse thanking Judge Leo Holt for giving him 30 months of probation, while Gamboa and Major League Baseball blasted the sentence as setting a dangerous precedent.

Holt said he chose not to hand down a jail term as an example to other errant fans because it would "not serve the interests of justice."

He also noted that violent fans running onto the field are not nearly as common as fights breaking out between players.

"The violence that baseball players are exposed to comes from within," Holt said. "What fan has not seen a pitcher intentionally hurl a baseball at a player's head at 90 mph? Who has not seen a batter leave home plate headed for the pitcher's mound bat in hand bent on mischief and mayhem?

"What is the expected conduct of fans who sit for two or three hours drinking unlimited quantities of beer? How did Comiskey Park come to be known as the world's largest outdoor saloon?''

Gamboa, 55, who still suffers from "stuffiness" in his ear because of the attack, said Holt "is missing the point."

"In any pro sporting event, football or baseball, there's going to be some rhubarbs and there's going to be confrontations, but it's within the context of the game by uniformed people that are on the field because their job puts them on the field.

"It's just a shame that justice wasn't done in this case," continued Gamboa. "I don't know whether it should have been six months or nine months, but any kind of a sentence I would certainly think would act as a deterrent to get people to think twice before they step onto a pro sporting event in the future.

"Somehow, the judge just completely missed the boat on that.... I think we all are accountable for what we do and our behavior and, unfortunately, this judge didn't see it that way."

Ligue, 35, faced up to five years in jail for storming the field with his son on Sept. 19, 2002, during a White Sox-Royals game.

By his own admission, Ligue had been in a downward spiral, drinking and doing drugs after the death of his infant daughter last year. It culminated on that September night when television cameras caught him and his son--both bare-chested, tattooed and drunk--taking turns swinging at Gamboa.

Ligue has since undergone a 21-day rehab program, and he continues to attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings and counseling every month, his attorney said. Ligue is engaged and works for a temp agency.

When he pleaded guilty to aggravated battery in May, Ligue said he took full responsibility.

Holt's sentence requires Ligue to be regularly tested for drugs and alcohol. Holt also required him to attend alcohol and drug counseling, parenting classes and to have a 90-day curfew. He is also to serve 80 hours of community service.

Holt said jail time was not warranted because Ligue has a limited criminal history, including burglary, a felony, as well as domestic battery and several DUIs. The judge also said Gamboa's injuries were not severe enough.

"A sentence of probation should not be viewed as a pass or a slap on the wrist,'' Holt said. "The defendant is a convicted felon. He will bear that stigma for the balance of his life."

However, in aggravated battery cases where the defendant has a felony record, it is not uncommon for the sentence to at least include boot camp, said Jerry Lawrence, a spokesman for the Cook County state's attorney's office.

The office, which sought jail time for Ligue, has had run-ins with the judge before.

Last year, prosecutors tried to remove Holt from a murder case after they complained that Holt had a reputation for holding the state to a higher standard and burden of proof. Holt denied the allegation and charged that prosecutors' attempt to remove him was symptomatic of treatment he has received since he was assigned to the Criminal Courts building in 1998.

Holt said in an affidavit that prosecutors had filed motions to remove him from cases 42 times without good reason--well above average. The state's attorney's office has disputed the numbers, saying it has filed 31 judge substitution requests since 1998. The Circuit Court clerk said the state filed 87 motions for substitution of judge before Holt between September 1998 and May 17, 2001.

Ligue thanked Holt for sticking his neck out and "being compassionate in my case."

"I don't think there's another judge in the courthouse that would have given me probation,'' he said. "I want to thank the public for being behind me for this stressful time in my life. Now I'm just going to move on.''

Ligue's son was also sentenced to probation but soon ran afoul of authorities. The son, 17, got a year's incarceration for violating conditions of his probation.

Prosecutors asked Holt to order the father barred from Major League Baseball parks during his probation but Holt refused.

Scott Reifert, a Sox spokesman, said the team would not bar him from the park. "We can't stop him but he won't be very welcome. For his 30-second dash on the field he has 30 months probation.''





Just kind of makes me a little sad...I mean, I've been to many games, and drank my share of beer, and never once had the urge to run out on the field and pound on an ump.

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Standing Wolf
August 14, 2003, 11:51 PM
"The violence that baseball players are exposed to comes from within," Holt said. "What fan has not seen a pitcher intentionally hurl a baseball at a player's head at 90 mph? Who has not seen a batter leave home plate headed for the pitcher's mound bat in hand bent on mischief and mayhem?
"What is the expected conduct of fans who sit for two or three hours drinking unlimited quantities of beer? How did Comiskey Park come to be known as the world's largest outdoor saloon?''

Well, I guess that makes just about anything okay, doesn't it?

HBK
August 14, 2003, 11:54 PM
That's beyond ridiculous. I am almost at a loss for words.:fire: I guess the players on baseball teams should defend themselves and their managers by beating the everloving hell out of anyone who jumps out of the stands and attacks them.

Mike Irwin
August 15, 2003, 12:51 AM
I have no problem with this...

As long as he's required to serve part of his probation in the Royals locker room after they lose a tough game...

WonderNine
August 15, 2003, 01:22 AM
What do you want him to have, a felony charge?

And you know what that means in the United Police States of America....no voting ever again, no guns ever again...stigma of a felon....no real job ever again... ect...

Was the first base coach even hurt?

Jeff White
August 15, 2003, 03:56 AM
Yes we elect judges here. Yes, he'll probably be re-elected because of the way the system works. Judges are first appointed if a vacancy in the circuit happens between election cycles. Then the new associate judge is voted on during the next election. Of course there is no campaigning in most cases. No one (opponent or otherwise) is permitted to actually publicises the judges record or anything like that. So the voters who in most cases don't even know who the judges are normally vote to retain them.

Jeff

seeker_two
August 15, 2003, 04:33 AM
:cuss: moron of a judge...

Hope he gets a locker room pass for the next game... :evil:

EOD Guy
August 15, 2003, 08:49 AM
Was the first base coach even hurt?

Yes. He suffered permanent hearing loss.

priv8ter
August 15, 2003, 09:18 AM
Wondernine, as EODguy reported, the coach has reported some long-term hearing loss, but does it really matter? I mean, it's obvious that the intent to harm was there.

The fact that the coach wasn't harmed simply proves that Mr. Ligue was drunk, AND incompetent.

You know, I think this might be the most depressing quote of the article:

Holt said jail time was not warranted because Ligue has a limited criminal history, including burglary, a felony, as well as domestic battery and several DUIs.

And that's limited?!!??!?!?!!?!!?!?

:barf: :barf: :barf: :what:

tiberius
August 15, 2003, 09:41 AM
Since IL has elected judges, perhaps Major League Baseball can be convinced to provide money for the campaign against this buffoon.

I guess that this judge would find it OK to storm the stage during Romeo & Juliet because the sword fights incite violence from within. :rolleyes:

4v50 Gary
August 15, 2003, 09:55 AM
or more properly, rehabilitationists. Didn't believe in it then, don't believe in it now. Perhaps a little Code of Hammurabi would straighten these people out. 30 months probation is a farce.

Mike Irwin
August 15, 2003, 10:45 AM
"What do you want him to have, a felony charge?"

If I'm not mistaken, he's already had one felony conviction under his belt some years ago, so that's a moot point.

Something tells me that he really wouldn't care much about voting one way or the other...

And, I don't believe that felony assault requires bodily injury, does it?

In the end, though, so what if he gets a felony conviction? He precipitated the incident.

UnknownSailor
August 15, 2003, 11:40 AM
"The violence that baseball players are exposed to comes from within," Holt said.

Someone please tell this moron judge to leave the closet psychology at home when he goes to court.

ojibweindian
August 15, 2003, 01:46 PM
This is easily solved.

The next time that :cuss: wipe, or any other :cuss: wipe comes out onto the field, brain him with a Louisville Slugger.

El Tejon
August 15, 2003, 02:06 PM
Didn't Ligue have a bunch of time in the "time served bank" when sentenced???:confused:

WonderNine
August 15, 2003, 02:10 PM
Someone please tell this moron judge to leave the closet psychology at home when he goes to court.

Agreed. :rolleyes:

mrtgbnkr
August 15, 2003, 03:18 PM
I mean, I've been to many games, and drank my share of beer, and never once had the urge to run out on the field and pound on an ump.

I've had the URGE to pound an ump...but I'm a rational human being and take responsibility for my actions...so I just stood there and yelled like a fool.

What a joke.

Mark

Carlos
August 15, 2003, 03:27 PM
Holt said jail time was not warranted because Ligue has a limited criminal history, including burglary, a felony, as well as domestic battery and several DUIs. The judge also said Gamboa's injuries were not severe enough.

Oh, doesn't sound like a criminal to me. :rolleyes:

Just a real hero.

Pilgrim
August 15, 2003, 03:36 PM
The problem with the judge's logic is the baseball league has procedures for dealing with violence caused by players towards players and officials. The league has no control over a fan's behavior other than banning him from the park.

The other problem is the judge ignored the fact that a baseball coach is still a citizen who deserves to be protected by the laws of the land.

Pilgrim

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