7.62 upper in CT ar-15


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dewage83
April 23, 2008, 10:21 AM
Hey guys, thank you in advanced. I was wondering if I could LEGALLY get a 7.62 upper bolt and whatever else the conversion needs(bolt carier I think) and put them on my gun. I ask this question because in CT I cannot own an AK in 7.62. so im assuming it has something to do with those "EVIL":fire: pistol grip, or detachable magazine,:banghead: but not quite sure. If you guys could even point me in the right direction to find out more about the legality that would be greatly appreciated.

Also I have heard of magazine problems with the 7.62 conversion, any truth to that??? If so are their magazines I could use with better results or should I wait to see if the problem will be resolved.

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Chipperman
April 23, 2008, 11:42 AM
Are you talking about 7.62x39 or 7.62x51?

The former will fit an AR15 lower, the latter will not.

As far as the legal ramifications, I cannot help you.

If you don't get the answer here, try posting at
northeastshooters.com/
in the law section for CT.

dewage83
April 23, 2008, 11:59 AM
x39 sorry. hear about the magazine problems??

Chipperman
April 23, 2008, 12:37 PM
I have a friend with a 7.62x39 upper he runs on his M16. The mags he had were Pre Ban Frankenmags. They were two mags welded together that had a funny "elbow" in the middle. They ran well, even in full-auto. He said they were really expensive though (like $100 each), and were very hard to find.

That's the only one I've personally seen and fired. I've heard reports about mag problems with others. I don't know how widespread the jamming issue is with other mags.

dewage83
April 23, 2008, 04:28 PM
oh hey and thanks for the northeast shooters site but they said they'd send me a message to register and never sent one? every have something like that happen? i have a whole bunch of legal questions for the ct law section.

30 cal slob
April 23, 2008, 04:49 PM
i had a post-ban 7.62 x 39 mm colt ar and it ran just fine. stupid me, i sold it. :(

remember to comply with AWB I and AWB II.

MK11
April 23, 2008, 04:54 PM
It's legal. ARs in 7.62x39 aren't common on dealer's shelves but they aren't rare either. Whether they work is another matter.

Buy an AR in 7.62x39 and an AK-74 in 5.56 or the commie equivalent and you're totally cool with CT's bizarre laws. CT bans stuff by name (hence "Colt Sporter" is outlawed but the same thing called "National Match Target" is fine) as well as select features (like flash hiders and collapsible stocks).

mp510
April 23, 2008, 06:10 PM
7.62x39 AR's are perfectly legal as long as they don't say Colt Ar-15 or Sporter on the reciever (unless you registered it way back when) AND they comply with the feature law.

7.62x39 AK types are banned by name.

Chipperman
April 23, 2008, 06:24 PM
i had a post-ban 7.62 x 39 mm colt ar and it ran just fine. stupid me, i sold it.

What kind of mags did you have with it? Were they like the ones I described above?

romma
April 23, 2008, 09:07 PM
Newington Gun Exchange in Newington,Ct will know the answer...

860-667-2658

If it is legal, the may even have the upper assembly for you.

Aguila Blanca
April 24, 2008, 12:05 AM
CT still has its version of an AWB in force. Along with a long list of guns banned by name, there is also a list of features that can ban a gun. Lemme see if I can find the law -- I had it 'cause my brother lives there. Ah, yes:

Not allowed:
(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) A bayonet mount;
(iv) A flash suppressor;
(v) A grenade launcher; or
(B) A semiautomatic pistol ...
Basically, caliber isn't an issue but your evil black rifle has to be of a configuration that would have complied with the Federal AWB. My AR-15 was bought during the AWB. It has a fixed stock, no flash hider and no bayonet lug, so the only item on the list of equipment is the pistol grip. That's only one "bad" feature, so it was okay under the Federal AWB, and it would be okay in CT today.

romma
April 24, 2008, 10:15 AM
Basically, caliber isn't an issue but your evil black rifle has to be of a configuration that would have complied with the Federal AWB.

There is also a list ban by name of certain firearms that accompany this description...

Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 Carbien type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 Series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; USI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol.


It is sad that Colt AR-15 is made in CT and you can't buy one here!

Aguila Blanca
April 24, 2008, 10:04 PM
There is also a list ban by name of certain firearms that accompany this description...
True, but inasmuch as the original poster is asking about buying an upper only, the list of specific guns is irrelevent. The configuration of the upper IS relevent, though, because you can't use a new upper to create a firearm that has more than the allowable number of "evil" features.

Meaning -- don't buy an upper with a flash hider or bayonet lug.

dewage83
April 25, 2008, 09:48 AM
Meaning -- don't buy an upper with a flash hider or bayonet lug.
yup..... I KNOW....found out the hard way. Go look to the general and find "HELP I got the wrong upper." lol so this upper will have to wait till I get this preban one figured out. and yes I have links to the CT laws but i couldn't get a definite answer..like most gun laws, and decided there is alot of people ALOT more knoledgleable then me on here but thank you for your help.

Aguila Blanca
April 25, 2008, 07:13 PM
yup..... I KNOW....found out the hard way. Go look to the general and find "HELP I got the wrong upper." lol so this upper will have to wait till I get this preban one figured out. and yes I have links to the CT laws but i couldn't get a definite answer..like most gun laws, and decided there is alot of people ALOT more knoledgleable then me on here but thank you for your help.
With all respect, this is one case where the law IS clear. If you couldn't get a definite answer, it's because you wanted an answer other than what you got. I saw your other thread, and the upper is clearly not allowed in CT. About your only hope of using it in CT would be to get a California lower without a detachable magazine, and I'd have to re-read the thread to figure out if even that would suffice.

As I posted in that thread -- just send it back and pay the 20 bucks to get a post-ban configured upper.

ctdemolay0405
May 19, 2008, 12:30 PM
any chance the CT laws will change... any time soon?

mp510
May 19, 2008, 12:52 PM
any chance the CT laws will change... any time soon?
For the better, probably not.
For the worse- it could easily happen if we don't keep fighting the good fight.

distra
May 19, 2008, 12:57 PM
7.62 x 39 AR-15 is legal in CT. Stag arms sells a "Ban complient" package missing all the "bad" things :rolleyes: on the upper. As atated before, caliber is not the issue, features and names are. I doubt the laws will change anytime soon, but hey it's not MA, NY, IL or CA so we ain't got it too bad. :cool:

lacoochee
May 19, 2008, 01:26 PM
Discussion and threads:

Ar 15 Variants (http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=121)

Complete Kits, Uppers, etc.

Model 1 Sales (http://www.model1sales.com/)

Mags:

C-Products (http://www.cproductsllc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=cp&Category_Code=7_62)

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