[ColdChili]

When my father took me shopping for my first shotgun (about 18 years ago) I ran across a 20ga/.22 combination gun and I have never seen one like it since. (That day I ended up with a 12 gauge 870 wingmaster). Two of the features that I liked about that combination gun were A) a flip up rear sight and B) a "muzzle break?" on the .22 barrel. I have sketched up these two features from memory and was hoping someone out there could help me identify when and who made this particular gun (I know it's a long shot). I can only assume that it was made by some off-brand that no longer exists anymore but its worth a shot to ask. Thanks!

[EHCRain10]

the only combination gun that is currently produced to my knowledge is one by savage with the rifle barrel on top of the shotgun

[Milkmaster]

hhmmm... I just looked on the Savage website. Seems the shotgun/rifle combos have been taken off, or at least I didn't see them. Anyways, here is a picture of my 20ga/22wmr Savage model 24 combo with the fold down rear site. Great guns IMHO!

[ColdChili]

I did a pretty extensive search of the web and came up empty handed; savage was the first place I looked. It was definitely a 20 ga over the 22 with a vent rib (except where the rear sight was). I don't remember if there was a gap between the barels or not either. I also remember it had very light wood, not that it will help identify it. I just thought someone might have something similar in their gun cabinet or closet.

[MCgunner]

I am thinking Remington imports a Baikal under the Spartan banner.

[ColdChili]

I checked out the Baikal/Spartan stuff as well as the Blaser and Merkel (sp) stuff and I dont' think it is any of those. I also would assume it would be on the lower price end as it was sitting on a rack at the gun shop...not behind the counter with the other 'expensive' guns...

[ImARugerFan]

The spartans are cheap, around $300 I think. Probably for a reason though :/

[JNewell]

Go to www.savage24.com

The 24 has been discontinued, but they are still available used, though the prices are climbing.

[ImARugerFan]

Wow, the savage 24 was just up on their website 2 weeks ago when I was looking into one. Oh well.

[mnrivrat]

Not a Savage !

I recall the same style you mention but can't put my finger on it right now. Was it a hammerless design that you recall ? (non-exposed hammer)

[ColdChili]

nmrivrat,
I agree that it wasn't a savage, however in thier 1990 catalogue (from the link posted above) there is a model 389 that has the shotgun over the rifle, but no vent rib or "ported" 22 barrel?

I don't recall if it was a hamerless design or not, I want to say it was hamerless but I don't know for sure.

[chas08]

I was intrigued by your drawing so I hit the web. I found a Savage model 389 and a Valmet model 412 that closely resemble your drawing. I also looked on the Remington website and the SPR 94 comes close. It's not offered in 20 ga. though, pity, a 20 ga/22 LR would be a great combination for beating around the brush with.

[Otony]

The old (pre Sako purchase) Tikka line had those features. Imported by a couple of different companies over the years, including Ithaca if I recall correctly.

[ColdChili]

Thanks! I did a quick image search and this is all I came up with:

Lot# 1924
High Bid: $550.00
SOLD

**Ithaca Tikka Over & Under Combination Gun

Serial no. 37314, 12 gauge/.222 Remington caliber, 24-3/4-inch barrel with textured rib and collapsible rear sight. Top-break action. Blued finish. Ejectors. Checkered walnut stocks. Pistol-grip.
Condition: Excellent to mint with slight wear overall.
Estimate: 300 - 400

Its not much but its a start...so far I think this is the most promising led. I also ran across something that said it was Tilkka until 1989 and then became valmet???

[RetiredLawman]

I have owned many of these combos over the past 50 years. The big problem with all of them has been barrel regulation. The rifle barrel and shotgun barrel don't come close to shooting to the same point of aim. I got tired of using kentucky windage when hunting. The rifle barrel is the one I get right. The shotgun barrel, it is by guess and by gosh. Most of these guns are inexpensive and not enough expense is put into them to get the barrels regulated.

It is a great idea if it would take the guesswork out of shooting them.

[ColdChili]

Ok, I think I found it, but it looks like I had the wrong gauge/caliber. It appears only to be offered in 12 gauge over a variety of centerfire calibers (I was hoping the shotgun was a 20 gauge :() I simply did a google image search for:

Tikka M07 (M77 or M77k)

All the images seem to be from sites not in english, so it maybe called something else in the states???

Thanks to everyone who helped in the search!!!

[SDC]

Coldchili, you did a better job of drawing that muzzle than I could have done; I was browsing through the 3rd Edition of Rifles of the World this morning, and saw this, and said to myself "Hey, I remember someone was looking for this thing!"

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/Tikka.jpg

[mnrivrat]

Well the Tikka was the one I was recalling .

I have owned many of these combos over the past 50 years. The big problem with all of them has been barrel regulation. The rifle barrel and shotgun barrel don't come close to shooting to the same point of aim.

Amen to that - I just finished a project gun purchased off one of the good fellows here on THR . It is a Savage Model 24V that had had the barrels cut off to short and a couple of ?? welded on the ends to make them legal.

Part of the re-build was to get the barrels to shoot together at a range that was usable. I am happy for the first time with the performance of one of these guns, but it took some doing to get it right.

The .222 Rem barrel is now chambered in .223 Rem and has a FAL muzzle break permantly attatched for a 17" overall length.

The 20ga. barrel has a custom tube extension silver soldered in place with screw in chokes and is about 19" total.

I cut the comb off the butt stock to better use iron sights, and tuned both barrels to shoot to POA at 25 to 30 yds. ( A range I think is appropriate for this type gun ) The .223 of course holds it POA out to well behond that distance.

A chamber adapter shoots .22 LR cartridges to POA at the set distance as well. A few other modifications make a nice package and the metal is finished in a bake on OD green with wood being finished in black.

I've owned several combo guns in the past and most were near unusable as combo's because they shot to such a wide POA difference between barrels. I like the idea of the combo gun and if I was younger I would manufacture a decent one at a decent price and it would shoot straight. That can't be that damn hard to do can it ??

[b.thomas]

all seem to be current?
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/combination_shotgun-Rifle/SPR94.asp
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/combination_shotgun-Rifle/SPR94.asp
http://www.krieghoff.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=172&Itemid=139
http://www.marocchiarmi.it/efinclcombinati.html


savage 20 gauge: http://www.gunshopfinder.com/savage/savage24F20.asp

[mnrivrat]

I've owned the current F series Savage in .22 Hornet/ 20ga. Besides being way overpriced, it is overly heavy and didn't shoot any better than their earlier efforts.

The others I will let other owners comment on, but I haven't heard of anyone yet who has been happy with the performance of the two barrels shooting to same POA. I read a review yesterday of the Remington, and his shot a good 10 inches different at 25 yards. Anybody out there have a combo that shoots both barrels to POA at the usable shotgun range ??

[Dave McCracken]

I had a Model 24 22LR/20 ga with a peep sight. Dialed in for Remington hi vel HPs, the zero worked with Rottweil Brenekkes at 40 yards. Shot impacted elsewhere, I cannot recall where.