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Pimpstar00
April 24, 2008, 04:45 PM
I always liked the dak trigger when dry firing my buddys 229 until I shot it yesterday. I found the trigger pull extremely long and hard to get used to the reset point. I dont see how I could shoot this thing fast. Anybody else notice this?

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rellascout
April 24, 2008, 09:24 PM
The Dak has long pull similar to a good revolver. It is long but if you train with it there is a shorter pull, with a slightly heavier weight, right at the reset point. You can find it by racking the slide and riding it forward until you feel the pistol reset. Train to recognize that point and then the pull becomes short.

Takes some getting used to but they are nice. It is an LE defense gun IMHO. In self defense situation I doubt you will notice the longer pull. It is not a bullseye trigger.

Stephen A. Camp
April 24, 2008, 09:28 PM
Hello. Though the gun used in this informal report was not a P229 but a P220 DAK, it might hold some relevance for the thread. If interested:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/range%20report%20on%20P220%20DAK.htm

Best.

Erik
April 24, 2008, 09:41 PM
It is a familiarity thing. I bet that if you put in a reasonable amount of dry fire and range work you'd find yourself pleased with your speed using the DAK trigger group.

Lonestar49
April 24, 2008, 09:57 PM
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I think DAK in semi-autos was designed with 2 things in mind. One being for a seasoned Revolver person coming over to basically, a same smooth, but yes, long, trigger pull per shot, but what they are trained for, used to, comfy with, as a means of safety without a safety..

And the Revolver person gets the basic same trigger feel with a lot more rounds "per mag" with faster mag-insertion, follow-up shots, as needed.

I shot a P226 DAK, 40cal and thought it was a 45cal, it was so soft to shoot and fast to settle back down for quick followup shots, but the same DAK pull really had me guessing.. lol

I'm very used to and comfy with DA pulls, and then SA pulls, or SAO, but I don't think I could learn to like a DAK only trigger pull, gun.

Just not for everyone, but is for many..

Just something ya got to learn.. IMO


Ls

1BLINDREF
April 25, 2008, 09:42 AM
I've got 3 DAK model Sigs. Two of them are my main CCWs.

For me, it was love at first pull :p
The DAK trigger is not for everyone, but as LS said, revolver guys should find it relatively easy to master.
I shot my P229 .40S&W DAK in a few IDPA matches and did pretty well with it.

Pimpstar00
April 25, 2008, 01:58 PM
I loved the smooth pull, but when I was shooting my 92fs and a Glock 19, I just felt that the dak trigger was horribly long and slow in comparison to what I was used to shooting rapidly.

golden
April 25, 2008, 02:24 PM
I was issued a DAO BERETTA 96D and now carry an H&K 2000 DAO. It just takes some getting used to. The trigger on my BERETTA was actually better than the DA/SA trigger on my SIG 229.

Unless you are a competitor, I doubt it will make any real difference to you. I carry both DAO and DA/SA off duty and as long as it has a smooth trigger, my qualification scores are the same.

Jim

Moonclip
April 25, 2008, 08:49 PM
I'd like to try one. How does it compare to the older DAO Sig Sauers? I know the DAO pulls on Ruger autos are terrible! I suppose most things can be gotten used to even if not ideal.

My newer motorcycle has a different sitting position and shifting style than my older one but now after some use it feels morte natural even though the older one was easier to ride.

ExSoldier
April 25, 2008, 08:58 PM
I had the opportunity to shoot a P229 SAS with the DAK action once a couple of years ago. It was another poster from my other board: Defensive Carry dot com. He let me crank a couple hundred rounds in both 357 sig and 40. He had spare barrels. LOL The only difference I noted between the two was the noise. That 357 Sig is LOUD.

I found the action to be smooth as silk on the first DA shot. But I found myself not letting the trigger go all the way forward to re-engage the DAK action. Instead I tended to opt toward the way heavier SA pull, but I didn't really notice any difference except a much shorter reset point. Say on the order of a Glock.

As far as a comparison to an older sig, I would say that the DA pull for the first shot is lighter and smoother and much longer. But the DA pull on my conventional P226 "Blackwater Edition" is short, crisp and smooth. Just not quite so smooth as the DAK. Still it's a viable tradeoff. I won't change.

DawgFvr
April 25, 2008, 09:48 PM
As I understand it, DAK is also just like a true DAO in the sense that one can pull the trigger and restrike the bullet primer again on the same round. You cannot do that with a Glock...eh?

I think I would just love it...as I am a dyed in the wool DAO revolver guy attempting to learn the wicked ways of pistols. I just cannot stand the DA/SA in my Beretta...fine gun that it is. I want the same trigger pull and I have heard from DAK owners that DAK is near perfect for us revolver guys.

I am in the market...as of now.

The Lone Haranguer
April 25, 2008, 10:29 PM
I rented a P226 with DAK and found it nothing really special. Its pull resembles that of a revolver, but a little lighter. This may have been due to its large size for my hands as much as anything.

The one "long-stroke" DAO I personally shoot well with is the Kahr.

Archer1945
April 25, 2008, 10:45 PM
Happened to rent a Sig 226 a few weeks ago with the DAK trigger. I say 'happened' because first it was the only non-subcompact 9mm my range had available at that time and secondly I didn't know it had the DAK trigger. Having had both a 226 in 40 S&W and a 220 in 45 acp I know what the first shot is usually like, though both guns did have a nice DA pull. I realized quickly what was going on and in just a few shots was shooting the gun almost as well as my XD45s which have both had trigger jobs. I like the DAK system and find it a very good alternative to a good SA such as the 1911s and XDs.

Btw, while I haven't shot one of the new P250s I did have a chance to play with one and I think the DAK trigger on it might be even better than the one one the regular Sigs. JMHO:)

EOD Guy in VA
April 26, 2008, 03:18 AM
The DAK isn't designed for either rapid or precision fire. It's a personal defense trigger for deliberate shots. I've obtained best results with a constant speed medium to rapid trigger pull. Weird, but accurate analogy is that it's like pulling your finger through a stick of butter.

Rexster
April 26, 2008, 04:35 AM
I don't try to find the first reset point with the DAK, for two reasons. First, the trigger pull from the first reset point is notably heavier, and less smooth. Second, my DA sixguns must be allowed to return all the way forward, so it would be foolish to try to mix things up like that, as I still use DA sixguns for serious purposes.

With an alloy-framed P229, firing .40 ammo, by the time the gun has recovered from recoil, and is back on target, there has been plenty of time to let the trigger reset to the farthest forward position. This is true in my hands, and others have said much the same.

As for the weight of the DAK trigger pull, well, darn, 6.5. to 7.5 pound DA trigger pulls will cost big bucks for a gunsmith to tune into an S&W K-frame, and SIG gives this to us from the factory. I am happy. FWIW, I switched from a Glunck G22 to a P229 DAK, in 2004, by choice. Both were, and are, approved choices for me to use a duty pistols. I shoot the heavier DAK far better than the clunky Glock trigger.

I train with cheaper .22 LR ammo by shooting my K-frame .22 LR S&W M17; the practice transfers well to shooting my SIG. I have not felt this confident with my duty pistols since the days I carried sixguns, before Summer 1997. Life is good.

Pimpstar00
April 26, 2008, 06:47 AM
When I tried to shoot it fast I felt like I was stumbling to find the reset. My finger usually didnt come forward enough to reset the trigger. It is incredibly smooth and like for a da pull on an auto.

Rexster
April 26, 2008, 01:25 PM
DawgFvr, if you like your Ruger DA sixgun, you should indeed love the DAK. A major reason I went with DAK SIGs as duty pistols is because the trigger stroke so closely mimics those of my Ruger DA sixguns, plus of course my K-frame .22, for the cheaper practice. At least in my hands, pointability is the same, too. Life is good.

Moonclip
April 26, 2008, 04:18 PM
So it basically mimics a DA revolver pull but maybe at 8lbs instead of around 12 maybe?

Rexster
April 26, 2008, 06:57 PM
Moonclip, yes, but it is 8# tops, and should be a bit less. I think they started at around 6.5#, but with some hard-primer 9mm ammo, folks were getting light strikes, so SIG upped the mainspring weight just a bit, and guys who measure such things say it is now about 7.5#.

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