.22 short in a ruger 10/22?


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yongxingfreesty
April 25, 2008, 03:01 AM
is it possible? I wont be loading it into a magazine, but sticking it in the chamber and closing the bolt. is it safe to shoot?

how about firing a .22 short in a smith and wesson 317?


thanks

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MaterDei
April 25, 2008, 03:07 AM
Sure, you can shoot a 22 short in any 22, just don't expect it to cycle your action without changing your recoil spring.

Dksimon
April 25, 2008, 03:08 AM
I have shot a few out of my 10/22 and they seemed to work fine but you have to load them into the chamber by hand and you also have to cycle the action manualy.

May I ask why you want to know?

eventer289
April 25, 2008, 03:19 AM
You can, it just won't cycle the action. You also can buy a kit from VQ, but it's kinda pricey http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=355152&t=11082005

Toten Kopf
April 25, 2008, 03:19 AM
I have re-worked my 10-22 to fire .22 CB Longs (to me are less noisy than .22 Shorts) . I use the Volquartsen 22. short bolt and magazine, then changed the hammer spring to a softer spring.

The rifle fires semi-auto without any problems and is very quiet.

rangerruck
April 25, 2008, 03:55 AM
it may be enough to eject the case, but not enought to load the next round.
you could also try longs. I don't believe that shorts will feed through the mag , as well.

yongxingfreesty
April 25, 2008, 04:14 AM
ok, cool. it wont damage the rifle in any way right?

thanks guys

hatchetbearer
April 25, 2008, 08:37 AM
no, it wont cause damage, just wont cycle. i shoot the aguila "sniper" rounds, which is brass from a short and a 60gr slug formed to make it the same length as a .22LR round, this way it feeds in the magazine.

foghornl
April 25, 2008, 09:47 AM
If you shoot A LOT of the shorts/longs, you will probably have the same 'crud build-up ring' as folks that shoot .38Spl in .357Mag revolvers...you really have to clean the chamber well before putting .22LR ammo in there after shooting A LOT of shorts/longs

yongxingfreesty
April 25, 2008, 02:31 PM
k thanks, just thought the 22 short would not fit in the chamer right and cause rattle or damage.

is it ok to shoot the 22short out of a smith wesson model 34 317 or 617?

Thanks

rcmodel
April 25, 2008, 02:38 PM
Yes, any gun chambered for .22 LR can safely fire .22L or .22 S.

BTW: The Aguila 60 grain SS ammo is not going to be accurate in any standard .22 rifle or handgun.

The rifling twist is way too slow to stablize them.

rcmodel

cmidkiff
April 25, 2008, 03:23 PM
One thought...

Placing a round in the chamber and dropping the bolt on it can damage some rifles. I don't know about the Ruger, but doing so with certain firearms can damage the extractor. It's meant to have the cartridge ride up under the extractor from below... when you chamber a round and drop the bolt, the extractor has to flex out and around the rim. Most are not designed to do so.

You should be able to load your .22 shorts from a magazine... I know they'll feed from a stock rotary Ruger mag ok.

As above, you'll have to alter the rifle to get it to cycle properly, but it's quite safe.

The revolvers you asked about will be just fine with shorts, or longs (or cb's, rat shot, etc). That's one of the benefits of a revolver (or bolt gun), much less sensitive to ammo, as they don't rely on the recoil impulse or gas to cycle the gun.

Mountainman38
May 5, 2010, 04:15 PM
cmidkiff,

You wrote "You should be able to load your .22 shorts from a magazine... I know they'll feed from a stock rotary Ruger mag ok."

I'm curious about this. I recently purchased a 10/22, and in my search for quiet ammo to shoot in my backyard I wanted to try .22 shorts. I was able to load them in the magazine, but they definitely would not cycle, no matter what I tried.

It appears that in order for a round to ride up and out of the magazine, it needs something long enough below it to position the nose on the feed ramp. With .22 shorts, this doesn't happen, so the nose of the bullet just gets jammed up against the flat part of the feed ramp.

Is there a way to get these to feed? I'd really like to shoot them in my Ruger 10/22 if possible, but don't want to damage anything by putting them right in the barrel.

Thanks.

MCgunner
May 5, 2010, 06:00 PM
I just tried it and I couldn't get CB shorts (my back yard range load) to feed from the magazine. I have a tube fed bolt action Remington I normally rely on. But, take the magazine out and there's at least room to get a finger up in there to help get the round in the chamber. Won't hurt a thing to drop the bolt on it, extractor will slip right over it. Pretty danged accurate at 25 yards, too. :D Be nice if it'd feed, but I can't make it do so.

What I figured out I COULD do, though, is load a short over a CCI stinger (what I had in a magazine) to facilitate loading for a single shot. Worked great! The round couldn't nose dive down into the mag with the LR round there to keep it from doing so. Can't stack 'em, but loading one at a time backed up by a LR round below it from the magazine works great. :D

MCgunner
May 5, 2010, 06:05 PM
Well, I got it to work once when I typed the above. Ain't working at the moment. Bummer.

MCgunner
May 5, 2010, 06:08 PM
Hold up, figured it out. Got to have the magazine stacked with 9 rounds of LR to load the spring up. Then it'll feed a short if it's the 10th round on top. It's still not 100 percent, though.

desidog
May 6, 2010, 01:31 PM
Hold up, figured it out. Got to have the magazine stacked with 9 rounds of LR to load the spring up. Then it'll feed a short if it's the 10th round on top. It's still not 100 percent, though.

Sort of...did you try it with one round at the bottom? The .22lr bullet acts as a feed-ramp for the .22Short above it, so you can load Shorts singly from a mag - more than one Short round is asking for trouble.

I shoot a bunch of Aguila Super Colibri 20gr out of one of my 10/22's - won't cycle, and must be single loaded into the mag...but it's made exterminating the red squirrels eating our porch much easier on the neighbors.

RevolvingGarbage
May 7, 2010, 02:56 AM
I use CB shorts in my Mossberg 702 Plinkster. It uses a straight single stack 10 round magazine, and I find that if I only load 3 shorts at a time, they will feed perfectly when working the action manually, but they don't have enough power to work the action fully. A slightly weaker recoil spring would most likely allow them to be fully functional.

loadedround
May 7, 2010, 07:48 AM
You may fire shorts in any 22LR revolver, single or double action. Just remember to clean the cylinder throughly when changing back to LR's.

RVistar
June 22, 2010, 02:03 PM
The short CB on top of 7 or 8 LR's works well in my gun. It is a lot easier than trying to load a shell with fingers. As you say - one shot at a time, but a lot faster if you're tracking a tree rat.

chicharrones
June 23, 2010, 01:45 AM
I feel kinda weird jumping into a thread from 2008, but this is entirely too coincidental.

Today, I was with a shootin' buddy that owns a 1 year old 10/22. We were trying out .22 shorts in it. Loading them by hand into the chamber without a magazine.

On one of the cartridges when releasing the bolt, the gun fired. Nothing was touching the trigger. Right when it happened we speculated that the extractor hit the rim of the cartridge and made the .22 short fire. The .22 short ammo we had on hand is probably 20 or even 30 years old.

After that we slowly advanced the bolt instead of letting it slam into battery under spring pressure. When feeding .22 LR ammo from the magazine, there have been no problems.

What do y'all think? Old ammo, stiff extractor, or normal with this extractor type?

yongxingfreesty
June 25, 2010, 09:14 PM
hmm, that is very odd. i will watch out for that in the future.

what happened to the bullet?

45crittergitter
July 2, 2010, 05:48 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=436390

chicharrones
July 3, 2010, 05:07 PM
hmm, that is very odd. i will watch out for that in the future.

what happened to the bullet?

It went out the barrel downrange while the rifle was pointed at the target.

chicharrones
July 3, 2010, 05:08 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=436390

Cool. I gotta pass that along. :cool:

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