.380 hollow points \\ kel tec p3at


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moooose102
April 25, 2008, 10:49 AM
what bullet / powder recipie (self defense) has worked best in your kel tec p3at? i noticed that there are 2 different mag tech .380 95 grain bullets, one has a larger hole than the other. has anyone had any experience with these? is there one powder that produces less flash than the others and still have good velocities?

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rcmodel
April 25, 2008, 11:22 AM
I have had very good luck with Hornady 90 grain XTP bullets over 3.3 grains Red-Dot or Green-Dot, or .3.8 grains Unique over 100 grain Berry for practice loads.

The XTP loads seem to give equal or better expansion then Federal HydraShock factory loads.

rcmodel

JFettig
April 25, 2008, 11:24 AM
One of these days I'm gonna try some of the 115gr XTP loads from the Lyman book. It claims 950fps, thats about 240ft-lbs.

Jon

rcmodel
April 25, 2008, 02:24 PM
Sounds a little overly ambitious for a P3AT!

This is the poster-child for unsupported chambers!

rcmodel

socaldan
April 26, 2008, 01:33 AM
I've used 115gr. winchester h.p.'s with 3.6 gr. ww231 in my Bersa. ( I don't know about about your kel-tec, we can't have'em in the " P.R.C." ) Peoples Republic of California !

joneb
April 26, 2008, 01:41 AM
IMHO, You will be best served with FMJ .

ArchAngelCD
April 26, 2008, 01:45 AM
The Brass Fetcher site has a lot of information on many different calibers. It just so happens there is a page with test shots from .380 Auto reloads (http://www.brassfetcher.com/Various%20.380ACP%20handloads.html) including the recipes. You might find something to help you there.

mrwilson
April 26, 2008, 05:02 PM
I'd like to see a recipe using 102gr Golden Sabers with Unique or Titegroup.

rcmodel
April 26, 2008, 05:12 PM
The same load I posted in #2 for 100 grain Berry should work equally well with 102 Remingtons.

It is well under a max load for jacketed bullets, but gives good performance.

rcmodel

moooose102
April 27, 2008, 10:12 AM
IMHO, You will be best served with FMJ . For targets, yes, for personal defense NO!

joneb
April 28, 2008, 12:29 AM
For targets, yes, for personal defense NO!
So you think that a .380 acp JHP will provide adequate penetration through a P3AT, You are a wishful thinker. JHP performance is unpredictable, it may or may not expand, which means it will give inadequate penetration or marginally adequate penetration. I choose the FMJ in this application as it has more penetration and is more predictable. Just my 2 cents :)

enfield
April 28, 2008, 01:20 AM
You're wasting your time. 99% of people don't give a darn how much a bullet penetrates.

moooose102
April 28, 2008, 08:50 AM
at this point, it really does not matter, as i have 500 hollow points on the way! but, i still have to buy primers and powder. and, if a hollow point does not open, it should penetrate nearly as well as a fmj anyway, i think. but in any case, i PERSONALLY believe, that unless you are trying to shoot through something prior to hitting your target, you use hollow ponts on flesh (unless it is a bear or dangerous game, which if all i have is a 380 i am sol anyway). fmj's for targets, and shooting through something solid. i am not saying i am right, but it is what i believe. i didnt start this thread to argue about it, i wanted good info on loads for hp's. so lets try to get back on track. thank you very much.

socaldan
April 29, 2008, 02:09 AM
See if this helps...http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm

ArchAngelCD
April 29, 2008, 03:21 AM
Whatever you do don't use Cor-Bon DPX ammo in your .380 because even though it will expand the penetration will average only ~9 inches. That's not very good IMO.

Federal Hydra-Shok 90gr .380 ammo will penetrate an average of 12+ inches and expand to an average of .475" when fired from a short barrel.

The argument for using ball ammo in a .32 Auto and .380 Auto was a valid one years ago before all the advancements in bullet design. Now you can use a good quality JHP bullet in both the .32 Auto and .380 Auto and achiever more than satisfactory results.

If you're looking for a good recipe for those 95gr JHP bullets give Power Pistol a try. A charge of 4.7gr will get you close to 1,000 fps from a P-3AT.

71Commander
April 29, 2008, 07:38 AM
socaldan

I stopped reading when I got to this:

A perfect example of this are the silly 1989-90 FBI tests which resulted in the FBI choosing the mediocre 10mm S&W Model 1076 and the 180 grain JHP round.

LiquidTension
April 29, 2008, 03:03 PM
Federal Hydra-Shok 90gr .380 ammo will penetrate an average of 12+ inches and expand to an average of 4.75" when fired from a short barrel.

Holy crap, that's about the size of my fist! :what:


:neener:

ArchAngelCD
April 30, 2008, 01:48 AM
Holy crap, that's about the size of my fist!
:eek: Wow, that is some good expansion, no?
Thanks for catching that error LiquidTension!! LOL

socaldan
April 30, 2008, 02:39 AM
COMMANDER....good point !!!
but the "jist" is sound.

joneb
April 30, 2008, 03:53 AM
http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_StoppingPower.htm
Moore stuff to chew on :D

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