Three "Sniper Style" Shootings Reported in W. Virginia (is it starting again...?)
MonkeyMan
August 15, 2003, 02:22 PM
From the Charleston Gazette in West Virginia:
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/200308151
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WonderNine
August 15, 2003, 02:33 PM
Three "Sniper Style" Shootings Reported in W. Virginia FOX breaking news headline (not mine)
http://www.foxnews.com.edgesuite.net/story/0,2933,94868,00.html
CHARLESTON, W. Va. — A man and a woman were fatally shot during two separate incidents outside Kanawha County convenience stores late Thursday, four days after another man was killed in a similar incident.
Police said the deaths appeared to be random shootings.
At about 10:20 p.m. Thursday, a woman was shot while pumping gas at a SuperAmerica store in Campbells Creek. The second fatal shooting happened a little more than an hour later and 10 miles away outside a Go-Mart in Cedar Grove on U.S. 60.
Lt. J.S. Bailes, Kanawha County sheriff's spokesman, had few details about George Carrier Jr. 34, of South Charleston, was shot in the head and killed Sunday night while using a pay telephone outside a Charleston Go-Mart.
Late Thursday, police across the area were alerted to increase patrols around stores with gas pumps. Police are looking for a black pickup truck with gold trim seen leaving the Cedar Grove store and a dark-green or blue Chevrolet Corsica from the Campbells Creek shooting.
Kanawha County sheriff's deputies were questioning store employees and customers late Thursday but would not release any further information.
AZTOY
August 15, 2003, 02:35 PM
I just saw this on Fox News .
Just want we need with AWB sunset:cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss::banghead:
Thumper
August 15, 2003, 02:38 PM
Police are looking for a black pickup truck with gold trim seen leaving the Cedar Grove store and a dark-green or blue Chevrolet Corsica from the Campbells Creek shooting.
...and a white van.
This is just great. :cuss:
WonderNine
August 15, 2003, 02:40 PM
I wouldn't want to be a mullet driving around in a black truck in W. Virginia right now. :rolleyes:
Dr.Rob
August 15, 2003, 03:01 PM
You realize that's half the population of males under 30?
< calling my uncle about this, he lives in the part of WVa
Detachment Charlie
August 15, 2003, 03:05 PM
This is gonna be different than DC -- the folks in West "By God" Virginia can and will shoot back.
TheOtherOne
August 15, 2003, 03:11 PM
If I'm being incosiderate and thoughtless by saying this, then oh well... but I hope the guy is using your run of the mill deer rifle as opposed to something like an AR.
TallPine
August 15, 2003, 03:14 PM
Round up the usual suspects .... :rolleyes:
AZTOY
August 15, 2003, 03:18 PM
TheOtherOne
I hope your right.
Keith
August 15, 2003, 03:20 PM
This is horrible, but I can't help wondering if indeed, the outcome will be different in an armed place like WV.
It's tough though because a sniper is by definition shooting from a distance where packing a handgun isn't a very useful defense. Maybe one of those Ruger ranch rifles bouncing around in a pick-up truck gun rack will come into play!
And I hope the owner has a huge "pre-ban" mag!
Keith
Kamicosmos
August 15, 2003, 03:21 PM
What the...? Geez. Copy cat killer(s)? Didn't that go out in the '70s? (I'm not trying to make light of this, just disgusted at it.)
DigitalWarrior
August 15, 2003, 03:22 PM
I dont want to believe it, but I might just be joining the tin-foil-hat club. :eek:
gun-fucious
August 15, 2003, 03:22 PM
Not exactly "near DC"...
August 15, 2003
2 gunned down
* Woman, man shot dead outside Campbells Creek, Cedar Grove gas stations
By Paul Wilson
Staff Writer
Two people were killed late Thursday in separate shootings outside Kanawha County convenience stores, in what police said could be related random shootings.
The two became the second and third people shot dead outside Kanawha Valley convenience stores within four days, and the third and fourth people murdered in Kanawha County on a bloody Thursday.
Thursday night, a woman was gunned down while pumping gas at a Campbells Creek convenience store about 10:20 p.m., while another person was shot slightly more than an hour later outside a Cedar Grove store. Both were killed.
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“They appear to be random shootings,” said Lt. J.S. Bailes, Kanawha County sheriff’s spokesman.
Initial reports were that the Campbells Creek victim had been shot in the head, but that could not be confirmed. Witnesses also said the Cedar Grove victim was shot in the head, though authorities did not confirm that, either.
Sunday night, a South Charleston resident also was shot in the head and killed outside a convenience store. George Carrier Jr. 34, was killed while using a pay telephone outside a Charleston Go-Mart.
Late Thursday, police across the Valley were alerted to increase patrols around stores with gas pumps. Police were alerted to look for a black pickup truck with gold trim seen leaving the Cedar Grove store and a dark-green or blue Chevrolet Corsica from the Campbells Creek shooting.
Witnesses heard a gunshot but saw no one at the Campbells Creek shooting, county dispatchers said.
That incident left a woman lying dead next to her red Pontiac Firebird. She had been pumping gasoline at the Speedway SuperAmerica store, 524 Campbells Creek Drive, when she was shot. The name of the victim — whose body was covered with a sheet on the store’s parking lot late Thursday — was not immediately released.
The second shooting occurred about 10 miles away around 11:30 p.m. at the Go-Mart in Cedar Grove on U.S. 60. Bailes had few details, but said a person outside the store was shot.
That person died and the body was lying covered with a sheet early today, while a maroon pickup truck was parked nearby in the lot.
Campbells Creek resident Rick Clay said his 16-year-old son, Cody Ryan Clay, had tried to resuscitate the Speedway victim. Cody Ryan Clay and his grandmother, Sandy Clay, had heard one shot and ran to the store from their adjacent residence, his father said.
Rand resident Arietta King said she saw a blue Chevrolet Corsica go speeding past her on Campbells Creek Drive, about a half-mile from the store. She then came upon the woman’s body, lying on the ground next to her car.
Kanawha County sheriff’s deputies were questioning store employees and customers late Thursday and would not release any information.
That’s what brought Georges Creek resident Tina Adkins to the Campbells Creek homicide scene.
Her sister, Wendy Tuell of Rand, had been leaving the store when she heard what she had described to her husband in a short phone conversation as a firecracker. She did not believe her sister had witnessed the shooting.
She spotted her on the parking lot in a red shirt. “Thank God she’s alright,” Adkins said.
The two victims’ deaths became the fifteenth murders in Kanawha County this year. Charleston has had 10 of those homicides, including a man and woman found shot to death early Thursday in a car parked on the city’s West Side.
Staff writer Tom Searls contributed to this report.
To contact staff writer Paul Wilson, use e-mail or call 348-5100.
gun-fucious
August 15, 2003, 03:24 PM
merge threads please
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=435400
El Tejon
August 15, 2003, 03:26 PM
Dig, no the media intentionally made a big deal out of the DC snipers in order to inspire copycats. Remember Stockton?
I am surprised it took this long. Lots of mad dogs around.
Nah, we don't need mental hospitals.:rolleyes:
Kaylee
August 15, 2003, 03:34 PM
merge threads please
as you ask, so shall it be done. :)
oooh... bummer. :(
-K
BigG
August 15, 2003, 03:37 PM
[Go-Mart shootings] "Stay away from the cans!!" /Steve Martin
Sorry. Couldn't resist! :p
4v50 Gary
August 15, 2003, 03:55 PM
Keep your eyes open and have a cell phone handy. Call in anything you guys happen to see. We need the culplrits put out of commission fast.
2dogs
August 15, 2003, 03:59 PM
Almost guaranteed he is using an "assault" rifle, whatever it is.:uhoh:
I think it's Moose.:evil:
WonderNine
August 15, 2003, 04:06 PM
Moose on the loose. :scrutiny:
gun-fucious
August 16, 2003, 10:36 PM
the Johnstown PA, Friday night news said it was a .223...
gun-fucious
August 16, 2003, 10:42 PM
August 16, 2003
Reports of suspicious black trucks about in Valley
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2003081530
By Charles Shumaker
STAFF WRITER
Charleston police were deluged Friday night with calls about suspicious black trucks that matched the description of a vehicle sought in a pair of fatal shootings outside Kanawha County convenience stores Thursday night.
During one stop, city police questioned and released two men who had parked their black Nissan pickup along Kanawha Boulevard.
Earlier in the evening, Kanawha County sheriff’s deputies arrested the driver of a black Ford truck on U.S. 60 near Witcher Creek and charged him with carrying a concealed weapon.
Guy Wayne Hamilton’s Ford F-150 matched the vehicle description witnesses linked to the fatal convenience store shootings of Jeanie Patton, 31, and Okey Meadows Jr., 26. However, police concluded Hamilton was not involved in the shootings.
Hamilton was questioned and released on a personal recognizance bond. Deputies said he was carrying a 9 mm handgun in his truck, said Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris.
Morris also said State Police reported at least one traffic stop on a truck matching investigators’ description.
The black truck suspected in Thursday night’s shootings was last seen squealing away from a Cedar Grove convenience store after Meadows was fatally shot in the neck.
Police began receiving reports of suspicious black trucks after media reports Friday evening released the vehicle description and that of a “large” white male suspected of pulling the trigger.
Charleston Police Lt. Jim Sands said city officers weren’t making it a point late Friday to target black trucks, but numerous sightings were called in to the department.
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http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2003081514
August 16, 2003
Sniper suspect is large white man
Shooter might be serial killer, sheriff says
By Tom Searls and Charles Shumaker
STAFF REPORTERS
Police speculated Friday that a large, white male driving a black pickup with an extended cab may be responsible for Thursday night’s killings outside two Kanawha County convenience stores, and possibly others.
Kanawha Sheriff Dave Tucker said at a Friday afternoon media conference that the killer “could be a possible serial-type murderer.”
Both victims of Thursday night’s convenience store shootings, Jeanie Patton, 31, and Okey Meadows, 26, were shot in the head area in a manner similar to the shooting of Gary Carrier Jr., 44, who was shot outside a Charleston convenience store Sunday night.
Initial tests of the bullets in all three shootings revealed the same characteristics, but investigators have not concluded the bullets were fired from the same weapon, said Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris.
“That’s one step closer to saying they come from the same gun,” Morris said. “We’ve just moved a big step closer.”
The State Police tests, which were completed late Friday evening, linked the three bullets to small-caliber weapons, Morris said. He declined to elaborate on the results of the preliminary tests. State Police weapon analysts will return today to continue testing the bullet fragments.
Patton was gunned down while pumping gas outside the Speedway convenience store on Campbells Creek Drive about 10:25 p.m.
Less than hour later, and about 10 miles away, Meadows was fatally shot outside a Cedar Grove convenience store.
Patton was shot in the head and Meadows was shot in the neck, police said.
Investigators think the two Campbells Creek residents were shot from a distance with a small-caliber rifle.
The Cedar Grove shots were fired from a distance of 60-70 yards, Morris said. “We don’t believe a handgun was used,” he said.
A person also at the Cedar Grove store was reportedly closer to the shooter than Meadows.
Patton was probably shot from a distance of 30 to 35 yards away, Morris said.
Investigators hope further ballistics tests will confirm or disprove that the bullets were fired from the same weapon. Despite the similarities found in the initial tests, it is possible different weapons were used in the three murders.
Carrier, of South Charleston, died after being shot in the head while standing outside a Go-Mart on Charleston’s West Side late Sunday.
City detectives said the bullet that killed Carrier was also fired from a small-caliber weapon.
Charleston police Chief Jerry Pauley — who attended a sheriff’s media conference Friday, along with representatives from the State Police, South Charleston police, the FBI and the ATF — said the Sunday shooting might be related to the Thursday night slayings.
“It could’ve been [by the same person],” Pauley said. “That fragment of a bullet was taken to the State Police lab to be checked.”
The combined police agencies formed a task force to investigate the homicides together and set up a headquarters at Charleston’s Air National Guard base, where they met Friday night, Morris said.
The full-sized black pickup might be the agencies’ best evidence, so far, Morris said. It was seen outside the Cedar Grove store, and a person told police they also saw it near the Campbells Creek shooting.
“The truck had been [parked outside the Go-Mart] about 20 minutes, and moved from one end of the lot to the other, where it drew attention,” Morris said. “Something just didn’t seem to right about that pickup.”
A witness told police he was certain the shots fired at Meadows came from the truck. “As soon as that shot was made, [Meadows] dropped to the ground and the vehicle sped away, spinning its tires,” Morris said.
While witnesses at Campbells Creek had told police about seeing a Corsica speeding away, investigators later discovered the black pickup also had been seen there. “That truck was spotted in the Campbells Creek area, fitting that description,” Morris said.
That also was the only sighting, if ever so slight, of the person authorities are looking for, the chief deputy said. “The information we do have is, it’s a larger, white male,” Morris said.
The suspect would not need to be an “exceptional shot” to hit the mark from about 70 yards away with a rifle, police said.
However, Morris said: “That was a difficult shot, no question about it.”
Both of Thursday night’s victims lived in Campbells Creek, but investigators do not believe they knew one another. However, because the two “lived basically in the same area” and “it’s very, very early in the investigation,” they have not ruled that out, Morris said.
Meanwhile, investigators have nearly ruled out any relationship with the March slaying of 29-year-old Randy Burgess outside the Kanawha City Kroger store. Burgess was shot with a high-powered rifle while leaving the store. No arrests have been made in Burgess’ shooting.
Tucker conceded, however, that a sniper suspect could have more than one weapon. “Everything’s possible when you’re dealing with an individual like this,” the sheriff said.
He said safety should be the main thing on the minds of area residents. State Police, sheriff’s deputies and municipal police will be increasing their presence near late-night convenience stores, especially those with gasoline pumps.
“We’ve increased the patrols like you wouldn’t believe,” Tucker said.
Morris and Tucker warned people to be cautious and to travel with at least one other person if they have to be out late at night. As a precaution, they advised motorists not to fill up late at night if they can avoid it.
“I would continue what I have been doing,” Morris said.
Police throughout Kanawha County have fielded calls about other shootings possibly related to Sunday and Thursday’s shootings, but none of those has proven true, Metro 911 officials said.
Anyone with information about the shootings should call 357-0169
seeker_two
August 16, 2003, 10:45 PM
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/1018/photo/a_moose_i.jpg
Headline: Moose Comes Out of Retirement: "I have a few leads..."
:what:
I hope they catch the creep before this happens... :barf:
SodaPop
August 17, 2003, 12:09 AM
I'm still praying for the day that someone with a CCW blows away a terrorist.
Monty
August 17, 2003, 12:50 AM
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Editorials/200308159
August 16, 2003
Insanity
Sniper stalking valley?
Horribly, three Kanawha countians mysteriously were shot to death at service stations this week — a ghastly sequence that smacks of the psychotic pair of snipers who killed 13 in the Washington, D.C., region and southern states in a three-week spree last October.
Sunday night, Gary Carrier Jr., 44, of South Charleston, a father of four, was killed by a bullet to the head as he used a pay phone at the Bigley Avenue Go-Mart.
Thursday night, Jeanie Patton, 31, a school cook, was killed by a bullet to the head as she pumped gas into her car at the Campbells Creek Speedway mart near her home.
About an hour later, Okey Meadows, 26, was killed by a bullet to the head as he paid for milk at an outside cashier’s window at the Cedar Grove Go-Mart.
Is a mentally ill sniper, or snipers, cruising the Kanawha Valley, gunning down nighttime customers at convenience stores, just for warped thrills? Police aren’t sure — but they have no other explanation, so far. The notion is almost too monstrous to contemplate.
Until an answer is known, and the danger ended, West Virginians should exercise caution while in public places. However, the peril from a crazed sniper is so unpredictable that it might be impossible to take protective action.
West Virginia is suffering an epidemic of shootings this month — but most of the others seem to have discernible explanations. Here are some Mountain State news items:
Aug. 2 — Dennis Lovejoy, 44, of St. Albans, was charged with firing many pistol shots at a car on U.S. 60 in a “road rage” incident — reportedly because occupants of the car laughed at him.
Aug. 3 — Harl Hager, 30, of Lincoln County, was shot twice, and Amy Linville was charged with malicious wounding.
Aug. 5 — Don Spears, 69, of Wyoming County, was shot to death as he sat in a reclining chair at his home, and a companion, Nicky Stanley, 45, was critically wounded.
Aug. 9 — When a Greenbrier County deputy stopped an Ohio car, the driver pulled a gun, wounded the officer, and sped away. The driver, John Mayhew Jr. of Columbus, then killed his teenage daughter, who was sitting beside him in the car, police say, and tried to kill himself. Mayhew faces two other murder charges in Ohio.
Aug. 11 — George E. Jones Jr., 31, of Rand, was charged with shooting at his father. The father, reportedly wounded in the abdomen, couldn’t be found.
Aug. 12 — Garth Vance Lester III, 25, of Raleigh County, was charged with shooting his 5-year-old son to death, and trying to kill himself, after a raging dispute with his wife.
Aug. 14 — Duane Harris, 27, and Danielle Thrift, 19, were shot to death as they sat in a parked Cadillac on Charleston’s West Side. Harris was a notorious drug dealer, and the teenage girl’s former boyfriend, Roger Foye, was killed in an apparent botched drug deal last month.
All these horrors have one common element — guns. Easy access to murder instruments in gun-polluted West Virginia makes it easy for sickos to “waste” others. Carrying concealed pistols is common among drunks, psychos, raging husbands, cocaine dealers, teenagers and others who shouldn’t be armed.
Authorities make little attempt to disarm these dangerous people. Gun-control laws are pathetically weak, because politicians fear the votes of gun-lovers. Even if the laws were toughened, it might be impossible to find and confiscate all the illegal pistols.
When gun horrors erupt, the “right to bear arms” lobby always says the victims should have been armed, so they could shoot back. Apply that proposal to the 5-year-old Raleigh County boy killed by his father — or the three unsuspecting customers shot in the head at convenience stores — and you’ll see that the lobby’s cure is as grotesque as the daily news.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Geech
August 17, 2003, 02:09 AM
Saw this report on the news yesterday. The graphic was a souped-up SKS with bipod, scope, 30-round magazine and more. They don't even bother to pretend to be objective anymore.
HBK
August 17, 2003, 02:48 AM
:barf:
jizzacked
August 17, 2003, 06:50 AM
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :banghead: :mad:
TheOtherOne
August 17, 2003, 07:44 AM
All these horrors have one common element — guns. Easy access to murder instruments in gun-polluted West Virginia makes it easy for sickos to “waste” others. Carrying concealed pistols is common among drunks, psychos, raging husbands, cocaine dealers, teenagers and others who shouldn’t be armed.Well then it's obvious that current laws against concealed carry aren't tough enough -- I mean if drunks, psychos and cocaine dealers aren't obeying them then we just need to make the penalities stiffer!
greyhound
August 17, 2003, 08:53 AM
All these horrors have one common element — guns. Easy access to murder instruments in gun-polluted West Virginia makes it easy for sickos to “waste” others. Carrying concealed pistols is common among drunks, psychos, raging husbands, cocaine dealers, teenagers and others who shouldn’t be armed.
What the....
I thought West Virginia was pretty good with guns. Heck, I was considering moving there! This sounds like its right off the pages of the New York Times!
To any THR West Virginians - what's the mood there? Being in MD I remember here the first few shootings didn't cause the panic but when we had 4 in 4 days all heck broke loose.
I also agree that whatever weapon is being used its going to be called an assault (semi-auto) or sniper (bolt-action) rifle by the (liberal) media.
Jeff Timm
August 17, 2003, 09:29 AM
You have to remember, most newspapers nationwide are run by the New York Times, or one of two other companies.
Here in Cleveland, the local rag just repeats stories from the NYT and Washington Post 5-10 days later. I suspect the newswriter wasn't even in WV, modern commo makes it all possible.
Now, based on the previous case did the state police immediatly raid all Black Muslim Mosques?
Geoff
Who doesn't expect the radical leftist press to put out anything other than propaganda.
Monty
August 17, 2003, 10:23 AM
Pretty sure the Charleston Gazette is local owned/local run and the editorial writer it right here also.
Greyhound, that's just the local liberal paper....does not necessarily reflect the opinions or views of West by GOD Virginia's people or elected officials. They've been running nonsense like this weekly for as long as I can remember and it hasn't had an effect on a thing here. Don't forget, WV, big time democrat state, went to Bush in 00 and the reason is most likely that Gore was viewed as the gun control canidate. Why we put up with Byrd and Rockfeller in the Senate is beyond me but you get past these two and we're all pretty pro gun down here.....come on down!
Bigjake
August 17, 2003, 10:47 AM
how is it that one story can have the facts straight about where people were hit and the other just says "they were all killed with bullets to the head?? :scrutiny: isn't there some sort of law on the books against this BS?
one funny thing i just noticed was this -
Investigators think the two Campbells Creek residents were shot from a distance with a small-caliber rifle.
so does that mean they CANT call it a high powered sniper rifle now??
2dogs
August 17, 2003, 02:20 PM
FNC (an ex FBI profiler- the one they always use) said this morning it was .223 AR 15.
Yep, it's AWB time again.
Mike Irwin
August 17, 2003, 04:20 PM
I wonder if the defense teams are going to try to use this as "proof" that Mohammed and Malvo are, in fact, innocent and the wrong guys are in jail.
QKRTHNU
August 18, 2003, 04:50 PM
Terrible. I hope the killer/killers are stopped asap. I really hope it's a armed citizen that makes the stop.
Carlos Cabeza
August 18, 2003, 04:58 PM
After I saw this on the news I thought I was going to get sick.
"Goodbye yellow brick road".............................:barf:
bogie
August 18, 2003, 05:04 PM
Anyone wanna bet that it's not a fat white guy in a black truck?
WonderNine
August 18, 2003, 05:12 PM
Hmm...sounds like it could be.
2nd Amendment
August 18, 2003, 05:14 PM
Wonder how much the DNC and HCI are paying this one...
Stickjockey
August 18, 2003, 06:56 PM
Bogie-
No bets, dude. The authorities say they're looking for a dark pickup. This virtually assures that whoever's doing it is running around in a white Plymouth minivan...
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