Please help me identify this strange gun.


Golden Hound
April 26, 2008, 03:07 AM
Hi, I am a new member here and I have joined specifically to inquire about a firearm which has been puzzling us for a while. Myself and other gun fans have been debating it for some time and are all puzzled. The gun in question appears on the cover of an album by a local indie rock band, Everthus The Deadbeats. It is being held by a small child. It almost looks like some kind of very heavily modified version of a scoped Mauser C-96 pistol with a long barrel, stock and flash-suppressor. At least, the pistol grip visible near the bottom looks as if it is "ribbed" in the manner of the "broom handle" pistol. What is the deal with that stock and barrel?

Here is the picture. (

I'm fairly certain that at least the rear portion of it is derived from a Mauser C96. See this image ( I created for the sake of comparison - the proportions and angles of the Mauser pistol seem to fit with the gun in the image. But the rest of it is what confuses me. I've seen Mauser C96 pistols with buttstocks and extended magazines and various other modifications, but never one with such a huge barrel and what appears to be some kind of rail running along the top of it, and a wood grip beneath.

Is this some strange prototype weapon made by Mauser? Is it a one-off custom piece cobbled together from parts of other guns? Is it, as some have suggested, a toy? I contacted the member of the band who designed the album cover and he said he took the photomontage from a 1960s-era issue of Playboy magazine. This makes me doubt the "toy" theory because I don't think they produced toy guns back in the 60s which were as complicated and detailed as that piece in the picture. Others have theorized that it was a stage prop made up of random parts and not a functional weapon. Another poster suggested that it was a prototype of an AAI "flechette rifle" which never went into production (I doubt this.) What's the real story here? Any ideas?

I appreciate any and all responses. Thanks very much in advance.

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Kind of Blued
April 26, 2008, 03:24 AM
Not sure.

It's ugly though! :)

April 26, 2008, 03:42 AM
Sig AMT.

Golden Hound
April 26, 2008, 03:59 AM
Wow! Fast answer. Thanks a lot! (Oh and I don't think it looks ugly at all, I actually love it.) This one is going on the list of future rifles to buy someday.

April 26, 2008, 04:37 AM
The receiver on that actually looks a lot like an overbuilt AR15 receiver a friend of mine bought a while back - or, at least, the magwell does.

It's hard to tell due to the photo quality; it looks to me like it's an amalgamation of gun parts, and may have been some sort of prop made by the Playboy people for the photo shoot.

For that matter, what are pictures of children doing in Playboy magazine?

April 26, 2008, 04:48 AM
This one is going on the list of future rifles to buy someday.

Be sure and bring plenty of money!

Unfortunately, this listing is closed.

Golden Hound
April 26, 2008, 12:15 PM
Just heard back from another guy who had this to say:

Those guys at THR are pretty knowledgeable about guns. This time they are wrong. The gun in your picture does look vaguely like an AMT, but only about as much as like a C96.
The AMT is a full-size automatic rifle chambered in either 7.62 NATO or 7.5mm Swiss. It is not a kid-sized gun as the piece in your picture is. The barrel on the piece in your picture is far, far too thick in relation to the rest of the gun to be an AMT. AMT's do not have a goofy shotgun-style vent rib. The forearm is shaped vaguely like that on some AMT's, but extends too far out along the barrel.
If it is an AMT, it's a toy AMT or one that was treated to the 1960's equivalent of photoshop.

Any thoughts?

April 26, 2008, 01:38 PM
Possibly a made-for-a-movie gun that just happens to resemble the AMT.

April 26, 2008, 02:06 PM
It is a drawing. Looks like a vintage "artist imagination v. 7.2" to me.

April 26, 2008, 03:03 PM
Looks like a toy, should be kid-safe.


April 26, 2008, 03:31 PM
Given that the rest of the poster is a collage, I think that the "gun" is ALSO a collage of the different features that a non-gunner would likely think belongs on a "assault-type rifle"; pistol-grip? Check. Ventilated barrel shroud? Check. Muzzle brake? Check. Telescopic sight, to allow rapid-fire spray from-the-hip massacre of infants at long range? Check. And so on...

Golden Hound
April 26, 2008, 04:02 PM
Weird, very weird.

April 26, 2008, 05:28 PM
It looks like Han Solo's blaster was mated to a SIG AMT upper.

April 26, 2008, 05:31 PM
I wish I had an AMT/SIG PE57 and a Broomhandle for that matter. Swiss=expensive:(

April 26, 2008, 06:27 PM
Looks like a "Man From U.N.C.L.E. toy I had when I was a kid.

April 26, 2008, 10:38 PM
Armi-Jager M-16 copy in .22LR?

April 26, 2008, 11:52 PM
I had a toy rifle that looked like that in the 70's. No idea who made the thing, but mine had, IIRC, that very "scope".

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