Chicago working to prevent repeat of deadly weekend


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romma
April 26, 2008, 10:15 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080426/ap_on_re_us/chicago_violence

CHICAGO - Police planned to increase patrols and put SWAT officers and specialized units on the streets over the weekend, a show of force aimed at deterring violence like the three dozen shootings that left nine people dead last weekend.


"Weather permitting, we will have our helicopter up," said police spokeswoman Monique Bond, who said Thursday night was relatively quiet, with only four shootings, none fatal.

Meanwhile, religious leaders said they had persuaded some churches to open their doors in the afternoons and evenings to protect people from gunfire.

"We just picked up about four more churches in Austin (a neighborhood on the city's West Side) that's going to open their doors as a safe haven," said Ira Acree, an activist and pastor of the Greater St. John Bible Church.

On Friday, Mayor Richard Daley took the unusual step of calling together more than two dozen officials from the police department, schools, social service agencies and religious groups for a City Hall summit on the violence. Afterward, he said it was just the start of a continuing dialogue about how to combat violent crime.

A fired-up Daley blasted the gun industry and called on parents and adults to do their part by intervening to help troubled youth and by working to keep others on the right path.

"I don't want people to wait for Mayor Daley to call a meeting. I want you to call a meeting in your home with your children and loved ones. I want you to go next door and talk to those children next door. I want the parents of the block to say 'This block will be free of violence,'" he said.

It is key for children to be occupied in after-school or other programs so they stay out of trouble, especially when they're not in a classroom, Daley said.

Before the meeting, some participants talked about possible solutions to end the violence.

The Rev. Bruce Wellems, pastor of Holy Cross Immaculate Heart of Mary Church in the Back of the Yards neighborhood on the city's South Side, suggested that adults need to get to know the young people in their neighborhoods.

"I think they have to step into the community and accompany these kids," he said.

And Tio Hardiman, executive director of CeaseFire, an anti-violence group, said young people need help finding alternatives to the streets.

"We need to go right to the corners and find out what some of these young people want to do, identify some employers that are willing to hire maybe 30 from this neighborhood, 30 from another neighborhood and try to get them hired somewhere so then we can get them off the corners."

But Daley said joblessness does not justify violence.

"When the killing is done, you still don't have a job, in fact, it greatly decreases the chances that you ever ... will have a job," he said.

Hardiman said he expected that violence would not be as bad this weekend because of the police presence and other steps by community groups, including his group's efforts to talk to gang members and mediate disputes. Last weekend, there were 36 shootings — at least 14 of which police believed were gang related.

But he said he's concerned about possible repercussions from a shooting at a McDonald's on Monday night that left one man dead and four others injured.

The area where the shooting took place is believe to be a stronghold of the Gangster Disciples street gang and Hardiman said he's concerned that someone may try to retaliate.

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romma
April 26, 2008, 10:20 AM
A fired-up Daley blasted the gun industry

Yup, it's the gun industrys' fault!

When I was young and coming into "the age of reason", my mother instilled in me the value of life , and how precious it was.

I am not saying that none of the parents of these gangbangers and gunmen did not do the same, but it is certainly a shame that they did not receive the message I received.

It is a police state from the sounds of things in Chicago...

Pilot
April 26, 2008, 10:34 AM
Daley is a moron when it comes to personal freedoms and Second Amendment rights, just like Philly's Nutter and NYC's Bloomberg. Its always the gun's fault and disarming, honest, law abiding citizens is the key to stopping gun violence committed by dishonest, low life criminals. :rolleyes:

yokel
April 26, 2008, 11:04 AM
The old cliché that insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results certainly applies here.

After all, we've all seen what happens when the state decides that it's safer for their subjects and police to essentially eliminate that pesky Second Amendment.

JimmyN
April 26, 2008, 11:10 AM
"We need to go right to the corners and find out what some of these young people want to do, identify some employers that are willing to hire maybe 30 from this neighborhood, 30 from another neighborhood and try to get them hired somewhere so then we can get them off the corners."

But Daley said joblessness does not justify violence.

"When the killing is done, you still don't have a job, in fact, it greatly decreases the chances that you ever ... will have a job," he said.

All he has to do is listen to some rap music and it's obvious what they want, "get rich or die trying". Jobs? If they wanted a job they would already have one. But the government's war on drugs provides a means for them to make a lucrative income dealing drugs, without having to get up each morning and go punch a time clock.

Just like Prohibition, as long as the government's war continues the killing over turf will continue. You can put all the swat teams on the street that you want and it's not going to stop it. They can't even keep drugs out of Federal prisons, how the hell can they logically expect to keep them off the streets and end the turf wars.

Mr_Rogers
April 26, 2008, 11:13 AM
"Weather permitting, we will have our helicopter up," said police spokeswoman Monique Bond,

That comment alone shows these actions are more about public perception than real action.

Yeh. A helicopter operating at hundreds of dollars an hour is really going to help fight crime inside a housing complex - but it does look good on the nightly news.

TAB
April 26, 2008, 11:28 AM
I got a great idea on how to stop the violance... lets take away the hand guns. oh wait, never mind.


When will people realize that more cops are not the solution.

Pat-inCO
April 26, 2008, 02:43 PM
I'd really like to know how many of the people killed last weekend were known criminals. I think that information could easily shed some light on what really happened.

If eight of the nine were innocent victims, I'm horrified. If eight (or more) of the nine were convicted felons, I'm not sure I really care. I realize that may seem rather harsh, but when our legal system doesn't handle it, why should we be concerned if the criminals clean up their own house?

Blackbeard
April 26, 2008, 03:54 PM
Chicago working to ensure repeat of deadly weekend

There, fixed it for ya!

TheFringe
April 26, 2008, 05:31 PM
Chicago working to prevent repeat of deadly weekend

Oh, so they're rounding up parole violators, enforcing loitering laws, roughing-up known thugs, drug dealers and gang members, etc ?

No ?

Well then they're not working to prevent a repeat of the deadly weekend as far as I'm concerned

ByAnyMeans
April 26, 2008, 06:31 PM
+1 Pat-inCO

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
April 26, 2008, 07:09 PM
I just watched Daly on the news telling parents its up to them to tell their kids to stop this and to patrol their neighborhoods to stop the violence. If thats gonna happen they will need a lot of body bags. I can't believe he had the stones on him to put this back onto the parents and the people in these neighborhoods. The cops know who the gangsters are, they don't try to hide it. Its time to take the gloves off and go into these neighborhoods like they tried to do in cabrini greens with the midnight raids and searches and KICK SOME ASS. To hell with the aclu,naacp and anyone else its time to clean house. :fire::fire::cuss::cuss::cuss: I guess I watch too many movies.

Rustynuts
April 26, 2008, 07:20 PM
Daley's an asshat, common thug, and should be in jail for what he did to Meig's field in the dark of night awhile back.

Drail
April 26, 2008, 08:37 PM
Rustynuts, yeah, that was so outrageous I still can hardly believe it. I saw the aerial photos of the runway the next day on the net and wondered how much warning inbound aircraft got for that stupid stunt. Was that an FAA controlled field?

Car Knocker
April 26, 2008, 08:51 PM
Its time to take the gloves off and go into these neighborhoods like they tried to do in cabrini greens with the midnight raids and searches and KICK SOME ASS. To hell with the aclu,naacp and anyone else its time to clean house.
To hell with the Constitution too?

Standing Wolf
April 26, 2008, 09:38 PM
Daley's an asshat, common thug, and should be in jail for what he did to Meig's field in the dark of night awhile back.

I see no need to besmirch the good name of common thugs by comparing them to that Daly creature.

romma
April 26, 2008, 10:03 PM
I just watched Daly on the news telling parents its up to them to tell their kids to stop this and to patrol their neighborhoods to stop the violence

He really wants these parents to patrol neighborhoods?

Is he kidding? They are disarmed victims in waiting as far as I can see, and would soon become lunchmeat for these criminals...

feedthehogs
April 26, 2008, 11:25 PM
When the killing is done, you still don't have a job, in fact, it greatly decreases the chances that you ever ... will have a job," he said.

Who needs a job when the taxpayers will provide you with a roof over your head, a bed, meals, health care and some scrawny mutt that will see to your, ahmm personal needs.

Nobody's_Hero
April 27, 2008, 12:37 AM
Chicago has nearly become so ludicrous in its gun control measures, I half expected this thread to be about how they plan to ban weekends.

mike101
April 27, 2008, 04:58 AM
"He really wants these parents to patrol neighborhoods?"

Hey, here's a novel idea. How about having the Chicago PD patrol the neighborhoods? I lived in Chicago for a year and a half, and the only places I saw Chicago cops patroling were Oak St. Beach (dream job on their little ATVs), and on Division St., keeping all of the druken yuppies from the burbs in line.

Every Friday night, I could hear gunfire coming from Cabrini Green (I was in the Gold Coast, 4 blocks away). I saw cars being broken into all the time. I saw a smash n grab on a store front window on Clark St., and a computer stolen. And my pizza delivery guy was mugged right in front of my building (1000 N. LaSalle), while the doorman stood there and watched.

I called 911 myself, one Tuesday afternoon, to report a crime in progress, and no one answered the phone.

The Chicago PD is too busy shaking down bar-owners and drug dealers to be bothered enforcing the law. They are a joke.

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
April 27, 2008, 07:59 AM
Car Knocker I grew up living just south of newark in a real nice neighborhood when they tore down all the highrise projects they built brand new low income housing in my area. The house we lived in was worth well over 200,000 dollars when we finally had enough of the gunfire,friends getting killed my 10 year old son being assaulted and having a gun pulled on me when I tried to stop it, the house finally sold for 44,000 and we bailed to florida. I believe in civil rights but theres a limit to all this bullcrap. Talk to me about civil rights when you watch the neighborhood you grew up in turned into a warzone. At least I'm in florida now and recovering nicely from the disease called new jersey:D

Deanimator
April 27, 2008, 08:24 AM
If Daley had working synapses OR gonads, he's blame himself, his third world police force, and the basic inability of Chicagoans to exhibit any sort of behavior vaguely recognizable as human.

I'm not a big fan of the idea of violent criminals being impressed at all by a "good influence", but I doubt it helps to have a mayor, city council and police department that comprise a criminal enterprise under the terms of civil and criminal RICO.

Deanimator
April 27, 2008, 08:31 AM
The cops know who the gangsters are, they don't try to hide it.
Yep, they see them in the mirror every morning when they shave.

You BET the cops know who the gangsters are. When a home invasion, burglary and kidnapping ring operates within an "elite" unit of the Chicago Police Department, FOR YEARS, there's no doubt who the gangsters are.

I recall in the '70s sitting in my car in a MacDonald's around the corner from IIT, watching the cops watch the drug dealers selling drugs.

The Chicago PD is no more likely than MS13 to eliminate or even diminish crime in Chicago.

Don Gwinn
April 27, 2008, 08:51 AM
You can't blame Daley. He had a very mayoral childhood.

beemerphile
April 27, 2008, 09:21 AM
They solved the drug problem in Chicago by outlawing the small ziplock bags that crack is sold in. Maybe they could just ban the cardboard boxes that bullets come in. Seems a lot cheaper than operating a helicopter and equally effective.

mekender
April 28, 2008, 08:14 PM
im guessing that if they would stop letting the gang members out of jail (not just for good behavior, but at all) that this crap would cease... they want to act like animals, i say they should be treated like animals...

WayneConrad
April 28, 2008, 08:52 PM
How do you prevent statistical variation?

If you make process changes based on measurement noise, you will chase your tail and waste energy.

Where's Deming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming) when you need him?

foghornl
April 29, 2008, 08:40 AM
Best thing that could happen in Peoples Demokratic Republik of Chikago, ILL would be the ouster and lonnnnng term imprisonment of Emperor "DICK" Daley II.

lilguy
April 29, 2008, 11:30 AM
There's a new Sheriff in town boys, ex FBI. Going to train all the troops to use M4's :what:. Gonna light up the sky Saturday nite in Chitown. Emperor Richard has been going after gun owners for years, they need a few snipers picking off a gang banger or three to clear the streets.

dhoomonyou
April 29, 2008, 06:47 PM
How can this be stopped?

MAYBE let the Law abiding citizens carry.

DUH, Mr Mayor.

Sans Authoritas
April 29, 2008, 07:02 PM
Now they're blaming it on the "gun industry?" Last article I saw, they blamed it on the increased temperatures. Perhaps they should make the people of Chicago subsidize a gigantic air conditioner, and keep Chicago in the 40's all year 'round.

-Sans Authoritas

Rachen
April 29, 2008, 10:05 PM
To hell with the Constitution too?

The Constitution is there for people who respect life and their fellow humans. Some people really need to have their rights taken away. "Gangster's Disciples"???????? What the f*cking bloody hell is that? Seems like these people don't deserve any rights at all.

Rachen
April 29, 2008, 10:07 PM
Now they're blaming it on the "gun industry?"

The Mayor is one really to be blamed.

Under his unconstitutional policies, citizens lost their right to self defense.

Therefore, every crime that occurs in that city is the mayor's work. After all, he is the biggest criminal of all, by encouraging criminality and making it easier for criminals to do their thing.

ShunZu
April 29, 2008, 10:41 PM
Cheer up! We're about to get a president that thinks just like Daley.

Blago, Daley and Obama are all cut from the same cloth - elitist liberals. I feel sorry for everyone that's had to live under the Illinois insanity... but there are about 49 states on the brink of joining the Illinois mind-set.

NEVER thought I'd hear myself say I hope Hillary beats ANYONE, EVER... but...

catfish101
April 29, 2008, 10:51 PM
I vote on a 45-70 to help with the gangs.

This would be a bad "What cartridge for" thread.;)

Rachen
April 29, 2008, 11:01 PM
I vote on a 45-70 to help with the gangs.


.45-70 rounds is way too expensive to use on these worthless criminals. We have target shooters and hunters and living history groups who need them.

These gang scumbags always move around in packs, just like Nazis and Jap imperialists. Flamethrowers worked pretty well in disinfecting the caves of Iwo Jima. There will be no doubt they will work well in disinfecting crime ridden "hoods".

Car Knocker
April 29, 2008, 11:13 PM
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To hell with the Constitution too?

The Constitution is there for people who respect life and their fellow humans. Some people really need to have their rights taken away. "Gangster's Disciples"???????? What the f*cking bloody hell is that? Seems like these people don't deserve any rights at all.
Ah but the devil is in the details: who gets to decide who has Rights and who doesn't? Perhaps skin color, religion or gender could be determining factors? Oh, yeah, we may have been there before.

What's your criteria for how Rights should be allocated?

Rachen
April 29, 2008, 11:29 PM
Ah but the devil is in the details: who gets to decide who has Rights and who doesn't? Perhaps skin color, religion or gender could be determining factors? Oh, yeah, we may have been there before.

What's your criteria for how Rights should be allocated?

Well, we have prisons. Commit a crime, get locked up, thats an example of losing your rights. However, there is that really stupid thing called "Parole", and it really allows certain criminals back into the streets. Also, we have a law that states a convicted felon cannot possess firearms. It seems like it needs more enforcement behind it to actually make it work.

All of the above are examples of "losing your rights", well, if you commit a crime. However, when the justice system is too liberal in dealing with hardcore criminals, it won't really discourage them. Instead, it creates a breeding ground for more violent criminality.

It seems nowadays, prisoners are having WAY too much of a good time. They are getting food that is much better and nutritious than is what is being fed to our elementary school children. And they have enough spare time to construct shanks and spikes and roughing about with them. How is this PUNISHMENT? Punishing criminals have nothing to do with spending billions of dollars of public monies to house scumbags every year. Punishing them is making them PAY for their crimes.

Many people, even conservatives, are too liberal when it comes to dealing with criminals and punishment. I can go on and on again like I did in many previous threads, but I won't because I ended up being called a "fascist".

catfish101
April 29, 2008, 11:31 PM
These gang scumbags always move around in packs, just like Nazis and Jap imperialists. Flamethrowers worked pretty well in disinfecting the caves of Iwo Jima. There will be no doubt they will work well in disinfecting crime ridden "hoods".

Thats why I like the 45-70. In packs on shot will get more then one. I reload so it wouldn't be bad.

Seriously, Gang problems are getting bad or they have been bad for along time and with the media and shows on TV we see it more. I don't know about that. For the most part there is only one way to fight violence. I wouldn't be able to live around that stuff.

Rachen
April 29, 2008, 11:42 PM
Seriously, Gang problems are getting bad or they have been bad for along time and with the media and shows on TV we see it more. I don't know about that. For the most part there is only one way to fight violence. I wouldn't be able to live around that stuff.

There was once a quote from "Starship Troopers" that goes: Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than anything else.

Gangs are spurred by many of the TV and media shows today. Libpervert bullsh*t like "Flavor Of Love" glorifies the pimp business. And not to even mention the filthy and putrefactive rap industry, which breeds violence like stagnant water breeds mosquitos.

And when you are confronted with a gang, begging for them to leave you alone and begging for them to be better people in society won't do much in saving your health, probably your life.

However, there is something called a LeMat. Never had to use it, thank God, but it sure made a ride on the subway MUCH safer.

Thats why I like the 45-70. In packs on shot will get more then one. I reload so it wouldn't be bad.


Don't worry man, you'll have covering fire:neener:

Robert Hairless
April 30, 2008, 02:26 AM
But Daley said joblessness does not justify violence.

"When the killing is done, you still don't have a job, in fact, it greatly decreases the chances that you ever ... will have a job," he said.

Although the thought is profound it strikes me as most unfair to punish Chicagoans for the crimes of the gun industry. Since Chicagoans are not responsible for those crimes they should not be penalized for them. Those poor people have suffered enough.

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