Why can't I find a reasonably priced, compact 9mm 1911?


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TyRip
April 26, 2008, 12:44 PM
I have heard more than a few people mention the need for a reasonably priced 9mm 1911 in a 3 or 3.5" barrel.

The problem is, Kimber has the Ultra Carry II in 9mm, but I never see them on gunbroker and when I called a large chain store about availability, they said there are a few months away at Kimber. That said, they are still $750 minimum from what I see. Now, I would pay $800 for the stainless ultra carry II, but I can't find one, and would prefer a less expensive option anyway.

Charles Daly is coming out with the Ultra M-5 in 9mm but that isn't until June (projected).

I know there is the Aegis, Ultra CDP, the EMP, and STI LS9, but those are all way up there in price (and I don't want to pay 8-900 for an STI).

Am I missing something? Does anyone else know of another option? My wife has an M&P9c that I really like, and I am considering getting one of those, but I just really like the form and safety features of a 1911. Until then I am carrying my 638 Airweight.

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velocette
April 26, 2008, 04:00 PM
Why don't you look at John Brownings improvement on the 1911, the Browning P 35 Hi-Power. Superb quality, reliable, accurate, more comfortable in the hand and (mostly) in 9mm.

Roger

Moonclip
April 26, 2008, 04:55 PM
Maybe used? I think Auto ordnance may have had one. I have a commander sized Llama 9x19(don't laugh!) that is very accurate and reliable but won't feed jhp of any kind though:(

I do realize that you said 3-3.5" though, thats a tougher order to fill. I think Detonics made some limited numbers in this size as well.

I met a guy that wanted a officers ACP sized 1911 in .38super and I thin he ended up having to make that a custom cration due to the general lack of guns this size and caliber.

I remember creating a flush fitting .38super mag for this project was causing him headaches.

TyRip
April 26, 2008, 05:43 PM
I have actually been looking into it and thinking a little more and this is what I came up with (also posted at the 1911 forum).

I think I found exactly what kind of weapon I want. I want an officer sized frame with a 4-4.25" barrel chambered in 9mm.

Does anything like this exist, or would it have to be a custom job?

This was in response to the Colt CCO and Kimber compact 4" model. They just seem so perfect. With the 1911 being so thin, the extra 1/2-3/4" in the barrel isn't a huge deal, but the officer frame makes a big difference (from what I understand, no first hand experience, but it makes sense).

krs
April 26, 2008, 06:53 PM
The officer frame is at best only 1/2" shorter than the commander/gm frame so it's not that big a deal.
What helps more is a bobtail job or even rounding the butt so it won't catch and lift clothing so easily.

I f you MUST have 9mm try STI, or the Wilson Combat.

Les Baer, Nighthawk, and Wilson make CCO style pistols in 45acp.

Supertac45
April 26, 2008, 06:57 PM
Personally, anything less than 4 1/4 inch in a 1911 is a problem from what I've seen. The 1911 was designed to run on a 5 inch model, and 4 1/4 is the absolute min. I'd consider.

Moonclip
April 26, 2008, 07:02 PM
Agreed, I generally won't own an officers size 1911 but to each his own I suppose!

testar77
April 26, 2008, 08:13 PM
Even though I think it is Sacralage to own a 1911 in 9mm (just my opinion) :D Doesn't Para Ord. make one?

Cliff47
April 26, 2008, 08:58 PM
The design is out there. they just aren't "reasonably" priced. You might think that the prices are somewhere north of Nonaffordium (I certainly do). There are other pistols in the 1911 design mold chambered in 9mm (the Star BKM is the first to come to mind), but not many currently in production.

CWL
April 26, 2008, 09:15 PM
Officer-sized M1911s are "specialty" guns, are made in smaller lots and so cost more to produce.

That and the fact that they are harder to make work reliably, adds more to their cost.

Walkalong
April 26, 2008, 09:18 PM
Why don't you look at John Brownings improvement on the 1911, the Browning P 35 Hi-Power:eek:

Damn fine guns in their own right though. :)

Moonclip
April 27, 2008, 12:11 AM
True, I forgot to mention the Star BM/BKM. Not a true copy but maybe close enough for your needs.

MICHAEL T
April 27, 2008, 01:15 PM
Why 9mm when you can have 45 in same basic size.
I have a LW Colt Commander in 9 but its same size as my 45 so guess what sits home.

wally
April 27, 2008, 02:07 PM
The main issue with the Star B series is getting magazines. With the company out of business replacement parts can also be and issue.

I got two ($160, $140) to scratch the itch for a 9mm 1911. Shoot one, the other as a spare. Took me almost a year to accumulate enough mags to load 50 and hit the range, and I sure didn't like the prices for them.

--wally.

stolivar
April 27, 2008, 09:56 PM
The Rock Island compact is 3.5 barrel. Great little gun. there are quite a few of them on gunbroker right now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=98417031


steve

Tim L
April 28, 2008, 02:29 PM
Couple of other suggestions. STI makes the LS9 with a 3.5" barrel but slightly shorter frame than an officers. Springfield has a lightweight compact model roughly the same size as the CCO. Both are 9mm. I got my springfield used but it had nightsites and an ambi safety. Both are good shooters.

Tim

wally
April 28, 2008, 03:19 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but the OP asked why he can't find a reasonabley priced 9mm 1911 and most of the suggestions are for guns that cost $700+ new.

With the price of ammo what it is, shooters need a value priced 9mm 1911 not some expensive target/custom/carry variation.

If RIA is making any 9mm pistols its news to me. They make a nicely priced .38Super, but after you've converted it to 9mm you might have well just got the Kimber/SA $700 gun.

In 1911s 5" is standard, 4-4.25" is compact, 3-3.5 is sub-compact.

--wally.

rellascout
April 28, 2008, 03:20 PM
Get yourself a BHP and don't worry about it.

roo_ster
April 28, 2008, 05:33 PM
One reason is because I bought my wife one a few years back & took it off the market for around $675.

A Springfield Armory Ultra Carry Lightweight. 1911, 9mm, alum alloy frame.

Look for one used...but not my wife's, as she's not selling.

testar77
April 28, 2008, 07:09 PM
Why don't you look at John Brownings improvement on the 1911, the Browning P 35 Hi-Power


I suppose that is why dang near every pistol manufacture is rushing out to make copies of them to right??..................Oh wait...............There not! :D

doc2rn
April 28, 2008, 07:11 PM
Kimber makes one, they have one for rent at Kaw Valley Gun Club.

testar77
April 28, 2008, 07:22 PM
never said that there weren't any what so ever.

steelyblue
April 28, 2008, 07:28 PM
If 4" is ok, I got a stainless pro II in 9mm, that is a real shooter for $800. I almost can't miss with it and recoil is a joke. I replaced the MSH with an Ed Brown and I got some tru glo's from midway for it. It has been flawsless for over 600 rounds.

mmay1
April 28, 2008, 10:04 PM
TyRip asked about 9mm 1911s. I have a Kimber Pro Carry II in 9mm (4" barrel) that is very accurate and reliable, that I got used for about$650. The mags that came with it were not especially reliable but the Springfield ramp design from MetalForm is excellent.

tbtrout
April 28, 2008, 11:02 PM
Supply and demand. With so many states allowing CC the demand keeps the market price high on the new ones like the EMP. At least that is my spin.

skinewmexico
April 28, 2008, 11:46 PM
Quote:
Why don't you look at John Brownings improvement on the 1911, the Browning P 35 Hi-Power


I suppose that is why dang near every pistol manufacture is rushing out to make copies of them to right??..................Oh wait...............There not!


So Browning himself was wrong? Go do some historical research on John Browning.

BullfrogKen
April 28, 2008, 11:52 PM
There are many .38 Supers floating around these days, both new and used. Any one of those can be converted over to 9mm easily, and for less than the cost of a new custom.

Wildfire
April 29, 2008, 12:02 AM
Hey there:
I guess I will have look harded. I thought that just about all the improvements that could be done to the 1911s have already been done. The one thing that I am pretty sure of though is that the High Power was not the answer. These were very well made and nothing wrong with them, but I really think that it is strecthing things some to sugest that they were ment to replace the 1911s as an improved weapon. They recoil more and do not carry the womp of the .45 acp. I have both , but would never consider that High Power for a carry weapon.

Phil DeGraves
April 29, 2008, 09:40 AM
Springfield made a no frills Govt. size 1911 awhile back in 9mm and used ones go for about $350.

Used Colts go for about $600. The newer makes and models are pricier than that as you have stated.

Compact ones are going to be [I]very[I] hard to find.

testar77
April 29, 2008, 03:09 PM
Hey there:
I guess I will have look harded. I thought that just about all the improvements that could be done to the 1911s have already been done. The one thing that I am pretty sure of though is that the High Power was not the answer. These were very well made and nothing wrong with them, but I really think that it is strecthing things some to sugest that they were ment to replace the 1911s as an improved weapon. They recoil more and do not carry the womp of the .45 acp. I have both , but would never consider that High Power for a carry weapon.

Well said.

ShunZu
April 29, 2008, 03:14 PM
Surprised nobody has mentioned the Taurus 24/7 in 9mm. Fits the poster's size and price requirements... and not bad accuracy. Bought one for my daughter a couple years ago and she's still enamored with it. Never a FTF or FTE. IMHO its trigger is too heavy... but tha's just me.

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