Colt has a Series 90? And they're gonna stop making guns???


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Drjones
August 15, 2003, 06:04 PM
Stopped at a small gunshop today and asked if they had any Colt 1911's.

We were chatting a bit and he told me that Colt has had a series 90 out for "quite some time now" but that its not yet approved for CA sale.

He also said that about two years ago they announced they were going to stop producing guns!

Are either of these true??? :confused:

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Old Fuff
August 15, 2003, 06:09 PM
Don't think so. However they may not be able to send some models to the P.R.K.

Drjones
August 15, 2003, 06:11 PM
Well I know the Series 70 isn't available for sale to CA, but have never even heard of a series 90.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
August 15, 2003, 06:27 PM
Recall the Double-Eagle as being series 90----they just updated their site---so looks like they're still making guns.

tiberius
August 15, 2003, 06:31 PM
I'll translate gunstore speak:

If they say "They don't make those anymore"

They mean "We don't have any in stock buy something else" :)

WonderNine
August 15, 2003, 06:37 PM
Hmm....a California gunshop is the last place I would take seriously...:D

Soap
August 15, 2003, 06:39 PM
:rolleyes: Never, ever, ever listen to anything you hear in a gunshop. :)

Jack T.
August 15, 2003, 06:44 PM
I am pretty sure the Colt Defender is a Series 90 also. . .Although I am in no way a Colt expert.

Drjones
August 15, 2003, 06:45 PM
Did a quick look at the first couple pages on the Colt page in the 1911forum and saw nothing.

What is a series 90 then? How is it different from 80s?

And copy that about not listening to stuff you hear in gun shops. :rolleyes:

Skunkabilly
August 15, 2003, 06:52 PM
Never, ever, ever listen to anything you hear in a gunshop.

Gun shop clerk: "Dan Flory? Naw, not a gun dork at all, not him!"

Yep! :p :D :neener:

.45FMJoe
August 16, 2003, 01:32 AM
ANOTHER DUMB GUN SHOP EMPLOYEE!!!

They said they were not selling to the PUBLIC anymore, as in you must buy from a dealer, not Colt direct. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

They never stopped making guns, they are currently trying to step up production of all the base guns to flood the market. The series 90 is no different than a series 80. I guess they just decided to call the Defenders series 90s at some point. The New RollMark series 80s are beautiful guns. The series 80 guns are Kali legal. The new Series 70 is not.

Bren
August 16, 2003, 03:19 AM
It's true!
















Colt is still trying to catch up with the 1990's. :uhoh:

Tamara
August 16, 2003, 09:03 AM
:rolleyes: Never, ever, ever listen to anything you hear in a gunshop. :)

Or on the internet.

As a matter of fact, don't believe this post.

Soap
August 16, 2003, 09:41 AM
Skunk- Gun dork? Which one of us is the skinny computer nerd type of guy? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? :evil:

Tamara- True. :scrutiny: ;)

FJC
August 16, 2003, 11:49 AM
Colt is still making guns...this is one of those stupid gunstore rumors that doesn't want to die. :)

Series 90 is stamped on the side of the Colt Defender. Not sure what it's supposed to signify, as it appears to be a standard Series 80 configuration.

www.colt.com

Tamara
August 16, 2003, 11:53 AM
Series 90 is stamped on the side of the Colt Defender. Not sure what it's supposed to signify

That Colt's still has a marketing department. ;)

Tamara
August 16, 2003, 11:59 AM
1. Stop 1911 sales to the public domain. Focus on revolvers only.

Actually, it looks like they've headed in the exact opposite direction, in that renewed quality, lowered prices and a broader lineup have made the 1911 their bread and butter again, while the only revolvers they catalogue anymore are "Custom Shop" guns like the Python, Anaconda and Gen III SAA.

I was shocked and amazed to hear the words "You might want to look at a Colt" come out of my mouth the other day to someone who was looking at 1911's, considering that just a few years ago I was sure that SA and Kimber were clobbering them at their own game.

dsk
August 16, 2003, 01:56 PM
Those of you who think that Colt is behind Kimber and Springfield in the QC department need to learn a little about metallurgy. Virtually every gunsmith I know and respect prefers a new Colt over either of the other two for a base gun. I'm talking Dane Burns, Ted Yost, Dave Helton, Mike O'Hara, just to name the ones I actually know. I too prefer the Colt, as I have learned that Colts are almost all forged steel with only about three or four MIM parts total. Kimbers are all MIM except for the slide, frame and barrel. Springfields are forged with MIM small parts, and appear a little better than Kimbers regarding durability of their MIM parts. But they still have a wavering QC issue to deal with. Colt simply isn't making as many guns each month as the others due to low production capacity. However the fact is Kimber's and SA's sales have slowed while Colt is selling every one they can make.

By the way, the other week I went into a local gunshop and asked about a new Series 70. The dealer's answer was that they weren't even available yet. I really should have had the one I already own with me just so I could personally show him what an ignoramus he was. The bottom line is they will sell you whet they have. Special ordering is way too much fuss and trouble for them. I agree, so nowadays I order most of my guns through the Internet. They apparently don't want or need my business.

armabill
August 16, 2003, 06:47 PM
The gun shop that I go to would rather order than delpete the stock on hand. Of course, if you really wanted what they had in stock, they'd sell it to you.

clubsoda22
August 17, 2003, 02:31 AM
colt stopped making a lot of guns (quite foolishly might i add) such as their pocket pistols and DA revolvers (for a time, they're back now, well, the python and anaconda are). The rest is still in production.

concerned citizen
August 17, 2003, 07:27 PM
The pocketnine and pony series are also series 90

El Tejon
August 17, 2003, 07:57 PM
At my gun shoppe the owner told me that Colt was going to make computers now.:uhoh:

Oh, yeah, and some fat, hairy slob in BDUs who served in SEEL Team 37.5 in Rhodesia told me that sticking a Cold .38 in my pocket was "all you need." His source: The Internet.:scrutiny:

Pendragon
August 18, 2003, 07:00 AM
I had a Defender.

It said Series 90 on it.

I was unimpressed.

Not sure what it pertained to - maybe the bushingless bbl?

BTW - it was CA legal, may still be.

AKA Colt 7000D

PCRCCW
August 18, 2003, 08:39 AM
You know checking out the newest offerings from SA, Kimber, Colt and others...Im not sure I agree with dsk.

In comparing fit of slide/frame on the SS models that are out the Colt was the worst, then the SA with the Kimber being the tightest........

As far as the frame and slide flats being "truly flat" the Kimber had the least warping......a quick check of the reflection on the flats of the polished guns will tell you. The SA and Colt both had flats that werent....

Out of all of the new guns that are out....the Loaded series seems like the best deal when it comes to bells and whistles but the guns in general werent as nice. It seemed like SA's and Colts QC is just a tad less critical than some of the other companines..

Out of the 15-20 1911's I played with last week....Id still take a new Kimber.

To each their own...........Shoot well

444
August 18, 2003, 08:58 AM
"I'll translate gunstore speak:If they say "They don't make those anymore
They mean "We don't have any in stock buy something else"

Actually, I inturpret that to mean, these are now super rare and the price is double what it is worth because they don't make them anymore and you better get one before they dry up completely. When I was a kid, I had an uncle who was really into buying guns. But what a sucker, even when I was a kid I knew he was being suckered. Every single gun he would show me was followed with the statement, these are really hard to find..............

Drjones
August 18, 2003, 12:48 PM
1. People are misunderstanding me: He said that Colt IS GOING to stop making guns. Not "they have," but "they are GOING to..."

2. If it isn't a Colt, it isn't a 1911.


:D :D :D

Sean Smith
August 18, 2003, 02:36 PM
You know checking out the newest offerings from SA, Kimber, Colt and others...Im not sure I agree with dsk.

There really isn't anything to disagree with. Kimber uses more MIM slag, period, and there are more owner complaints of Kimber MIM thumb safeties, grip safeties and mag releases breaking in two for no apparent reason.

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55825&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53679&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48385&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42359&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30731&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26369&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5530&highlight=MIM+break

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29714&highlight=MIM+break

Which isn't to say that new Colts are perfect, but what you DON'T see are lots of complaints about Colts having major "steel" parts break in two. A similar search on Colt turned up a feeding hiccup in somebody's new Commander, a loose trigger, and not much else until you dig back to 2002 and a couple of bad extractors. Note that there are about 28,000 posts in the Kimber forum vs. 38,000 posts in the Colt forum.

Scientific? Nope. Not even close. Worth considering? Maybe. :D

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