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sig220mw
April 27, 2008, 01:59 AM
I can no longer go to stevespages.com where there is a heck of a lot of data.
Can anyone out there give me some advice on how to get there again?

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mrawesome22-250
April 27, 2008, 02:05 AM
http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm

Works for me.

Idano
April 27, 2008, 02:07 AM
Mr. woods use this link: http://stevespages.com/ I was just there. Here is his reloading data: http://stevespages.com/page8.htm

Ol` Joe
April 27, 2008, 08:57 PM
I`ve been unable to access the site my self the last few days. The links provided above don`t work for me either, I get a message saying this;

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /page8.htm on this server.
You may need to create an index.html page or enable the directory browsing by creating an .htaccess file containing "Options +Indexes".

Anyone got any ideas??

JNewell
April 27, 2008, 09:03 PM
Check your settings? Works fine here.

Flash!
April 27, 2008, 10:15 PM
site still working for me....

steve4102
April 27, 2008, 11:05 PM
Woks for me as well.

If I recall Steve's site is using Java. Maybe you guy need to run an update for Java.

bluetopper
April 28, 2008, 09:24 AM
Does anyone but me find the load data he lists a bit excessive?

He does say his data is waaay over the caliber standards.

I wonder if he has tried the loads as hot as he lists them?

dogrunner
April 28, 2008, 11:38 AM
Not an awful lot higher.......in fact some of the loads he recommends are actually lighter than those I know to be safe in my guns & thats data I pulled from another site.

Some is a bit up, IE: he lists one .30/30 load w/3031 with a very slightly elevated load, but not so much that it would appear to be truly excessive tho it does differ with years of published data from Lyman.......like with every load, start a little low and back off it you encounter a problem.

glockman19
April 28, 2008, 11:43 AM
I have the latest java updates and can't get it to load either.

even through my bookmark.

Mal H
April 28, 2008, 11:58 AM
I checked using both IE and Firefox - got through to Steve's pages without a hitch.

For those who can't get to the site, see what your security level is set to. If it's too high, that might be the cause.
[Edit: Nope that's probably not it. I made my security level "high" and still got to the site.]

Steve Ricciardelli used to talk reloading regularly at TFL, but he doesn't visit any longer. He's a member here on THR, but hasn't come back since 2004. :confused:

308win
April 28, 2008, 12:19 PM
m.d.woods - don't you have reloading site or is that my dementia acting up?

snuffy
April 28, 2008, 12:33 PM
This is from Steve's rifle reloading page on his forum.

I have had several people accuse me of "stealing" my reloading data from other sources.

This is not a fact!

Up until around 10 years ago all data posted on my Reloading Data Pages was created by me at my reloading benches and fired by me at my shooting benches.

When I moved up here to the middle of nowhere I found that shooting weather was limited to around 20 days per year, and this was causing a cramp in the amount of data I could test.

Therefore, I began accepting data fired by two very trusted friends. One in Texas and the other in New Mexico. I have NEVER found any fault with any data they have sent me.

I have also read many complaints that my "maximum" loads were way above and loads published in any printed manuals.

This is balderdash, or for you younger reloaders, B**S**T!

True, my "maximum" loads may be heavier than what is found in today's watered-down and lawyered-up reloading manuals. This is no great problem, since today's manuals, from the same companies, using the same "standards" are as much as 20% lower than they were when I started reloading in the early 1960's!

I agree with Steve on the CYA stance of the major reloading manuals. Keeping the loads down protects them from being sued by a newbie that starts with a max load, blows up an expensive rifle.

rcmodel
April 28, 2008, 01:15 PM
I find it curious that he lists data for every caliber, and every cartridge, in every conceivable bullet weight, ever known to man!

There is no way possible one man & two of his friends could have shot & tested all the calibers, bullets, and powders on his data pages.

Let alone even have access to guns in some of the more obscure calibers he shows data for.

This smacks of "Load From a Disk" software, and too much time on his hands.

rcmodel

mrwilson
April 28, 2008, 01:57 PM
I didn't see .380 auto on his list, I was looking for it too.

rcmodel
April 28, 2008, 02:02 PM
Look under .355" bullets.

See, a .380 is really just a 35 1/2! :D

rcmodel

Joemyxplyx
April 28, 2008, 03:27 PM
I can't load Steve's pages either. Not with FireFox or IE. I was using his pages over the weekend so I don't know what has gone wrong.

:confused:

ants
April 28, 2008, 03:47 PM
I very much enjoy Steve's reloading pages and find him to be both knowledgable and entertaining. I visit his site regularly.

But I'm also a realistic skeptic. If he doesn't have a universal receiver for every calilber with a pressure transducer or the old fashioned copper smasher, how does he know the loads aren't higher than SAAMI specification? From reading the pressure signs on the primers? Balderdash, as Steve would say.

[By the way, most folks have no idea how manufacturers collect data for their load tables, and the quantitative methodology used to establish maximum loads. For those who think the lawyers water down the tables, please arrange a visit to a manufacturer and let them walk you through the process. You will be surprised that strict methodology is an industry standard. And following industry standard strictly is their best defense. Altering the data up or down is a bad defense.]

vietnam1947
April 28, 2008, 04:07 PM
Nope does not work for me I even typed in www.stevespages.com and it did not work. I guess I don't neet to read it any way. , Fred

Mal H
April 28, 2008, 05:22 PM
Looking at the front page, it appears that Steve does some system interrogation of the visiting system and might be making some wrong decisions as to what your browser requires. For example, he lists mine as Netscape, but it is Firefox.


For optimum performance of these pages:
I suggest you use Crescendo! and RealPlayer ...
I also suggest Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 ...
As well as Microsoft Media Player 11.0 ...

32-Bit color and 1024x768 resolution recommended ...

You are currently using ...
Netscape 5.0 (Windows; en-US)

With your screen resolution set to : 1280x1024


When I load it with IE 7.0.5730.11IS, I get:

For optimum performance of these pages:
I suggest you use Crescendo! and RealPlayer ...
I also suggest Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 ...
As well as Microsoft Media Player 11.0 ...

32-Bit color and 1024x768 resolution recommended ...

You are currently using ...
Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; {Starpower}; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)

With your screen resolution set to : 1280x1024


Bottom line, I think he's trying to be too clever and is screwing it up for a bunch of users.

steve4102
April 28, 2008, 06:24 PM
I have yet to find any load data on Steve's site that could not be backed up my some manual somewhere. If you look close and hard you will find that his data can be found elsewhere.

bluetopper
April 28, 2008, 07:26 PM
I've NEVER seen a max load of 4.9gr of Bullseye for a 158gr 38 Special bullet like he lists.

I ain't trying it in my Model 14.

mrawesome22-250
April 28, 2008, 07:30 PM
I recently tried a load I found on his site. It was a 22-250Rem load of 39gr IMR4064 with a 50gr bullet. The highest charge I've been able to find in a book was 37gr. I eventually got up to 39gr but it was way too hot. The gun didn't blow up or anything, but the case was useless afterwards since it would no longer properly hold a primer. The bolt was very hard to lift, and there was a nice shiny spot on the case head. Someone guesstimated I was around 70,000PSI on that one.

Anyway, his load was 2gr higher than the Hodgdon site which, to me, is about the highest listed charges out there. Their loads are always higher than the books.

rg1
April 28, 2008, 11:04 PM
This site has some data that may be useful for comparison. They are user submitted loads so consult your data manuals before using. Scroll down to the rifle section and pistol section for the data submitted.
http://www.reloadersnest.com/index.asp

Floppy_D
April 28, 2008, 11:13 PM
Page still loads for me.

I've used a dozen of his loads, and swapped emails with him a few times. Great guy.

I don't know how many of those loads he hand-tested, but it's a handy website to compare to my manuals.

ArchAngelCD
April 29, 2008, 02:57 AM
I can also get to the site fine with both IE and Firefox.

Mal H,
The reason his page is reading your system as having Netscape instead of Firefox is due to the fact Mozilla is the engine for both. Back in the day when Netscape was free it was powered buy the first few generations on Mozilla software. When Netscape went commercial the freeware community released Mozilla as Firebird and then Firefox. I've been using a Mozilla product since the early days of the Internet.

ricciardelli
April 29, 2008, 04:05 AM
Guess it is time to clear the air about a few things...

For those of you who cannot access my pages, the problem is not with my system.

If you are getting the message quoted in some of the posts, it is because YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED! Why? Because of one of two reasons.

#1) Because your ISP is the originating site of porn and spam flooding my system;
#2) Because you have seen fit to download every manual I have posted, without regard for bandwidth usage or the needs of other users.

As for the data posted ... if you go to the "Warning Page" (page8c) you will find an answer to why my loads are not in compliance with current printed manuals, or with SAAMI or CIP "limits".

As for the amount of data, rest assured that every load listed was fired and tested! You have to remember that I have had an FFL since 1968, have been reloading since the early 1960's, and did custom loading for those people willing to pay for the service.

steve4102
April 29, 2008, 07:36 AM
I've NEVER seen a max load of 4.9gr of Bullseye for a 158gr 38 Special bullet like he lists.

Sierra #5

Floppy_D
April 29, 2008, 08:30 AM
Wow, Mr. Ricciardelli, 4 years between posts? You should come around more often.

ricciardelli
April 29, 2008, 11:07 AM
I would ... but I really don't need all the "negative press"...

mrawesome22-250
April 29, 2008, 02:33 PM
So how long does a ban last Steve?

Mal H
April 29, 2008, 06:48 PM
I really don't need all the "negative press" Please explain.

vietnam1947
April 29, 2008, 07:02 PM
Well I don't like gettiing SPAM or I don't even know how to send it, and Use Spam Blocker every day, and the pot up I get when I try to sign on is Not Found, or not Orthized? So you can have your site, I am sorry that You thank that I am sending Spam or Porn...... Fred vietnam1947@earthlink.net Former POW.........

Floppy_D
April 29, 2008, 08:10 PM
You won't catch any grief from me... and thanks for running a cool site.

redneck2
April 29, 2008, 08:18 PM
Well I don't like gettiing SPAM or I don't even know how to send it, and Use Spam Blocker every day, and the pot up I get when I try to sign on is Not Found, or not Orthized? So you can have your site, I am sorry that You thank that I am sending Spam or Porn..

Originally I had to read that a couple of times. He didn't say you particularly, he said your ISP. Could be any computer running from them. You're getting lumped in with the bad guys.

Ol` Joe
April 29, 2008, 08:58 PM
Originally I had to read that a couple of times. He didn't say you particularly, he said your ISP. Could be any computer running from them. You're getting lumped in with the bad guys.

Ya I reread it a couple times too. I`m another that can`t get to his site and if I`m spewing spam or porn I sure don`t know it. I run anti-everthing as it is trying to prevent just this type of stuff.
Saying I`m a touch hot is an understatement!!

steve4102
April 29, 2008, 09:09 PM
Well, lets see if we can figure this out. For those of you that can't log on to Steve's site, what is you ISP.

steve4102
April 29, 2008, 09:11 PM
Quote:
I've NEVER seen a max load of 4.9gr of Bullseye for a 158gr 38 Special bullet like he lists.

Sierra #5

Anyone else want to try??

Mal H
April 29, 2008, 10:52 PM
Well, lets see if we can figure this out. For those of you that can't log on to Steve's site, what is you ISP.Being the curious type, I already did that.

So far we have:
Comcast
SWBbell
PacBell
Mindspring (AKA Earthlink)

I'd say those huge ISP's are the pipeline for just about every conceivable type of internet traffic there is in the world.

vietnam1947
April 29, 2008, 11:01 PM
this is vietnam1947@earthlink.net Fred, I take it that because I use earthlink.net that I may not go to STEVES?????

scrat
April 29, 2008, 11:02 PM
steves pages is alright but

md smith reloading is the best.

http://www.reloadammo.com/

glockman19
April 29, 2008, 11:17 PM
ATTYahoo here I PM'd ricciardelli earlier today and still can not access his pages even after giving him my ISP.?
I really don't need all the "negative press"
?

sig220mw
April 30, 2008, 12:39 AM
Thanks for the suggestions......I get the same message Ol' Joe is getting
and nothint I do works......guess I just won't be going there anymore.

I liked it, had a lot of info.

m. d. woods

sig220mw
April 30, 2008, 12:46 AM
Dear Ricciardelli

I have not down loaded anything from the site and as far as my ISP and porn
I don't know what to say.....I don't look at or download porn on the net
and I am certainly not computer savvy enough to do other that to look.

Please drop the accusing tone !!!!!

ricciardelli
April 30, 2008, 02:34 AM
See what I mean by "negative press".

What interested me most was a post from a user who claims he sent me his IP Address and he still can't access the site.

Well, he didn't even know what an IP Address was until I explained it to him, and sent him the necessary information on how to obtain his IP Address!!

Do I get a "thanks"? Hell no! He bitches because I do not spend 24/7 sitting by the computer.

For his information, his IP (net 69), as I explained it to him, was the source of a couple of hundred sites swamping the system with porn, drug and SPAM. So I blocked the entire network.

By the way, his access was unblocked, and I didn't see a "thank you" for that either.

It might be noted that I generally do NOT block an entire network, but single out the offending site. But when there are 50 to 200 sites send junk from one net, then the entire network is blocked.

ricciardelli
April 30, 2008, 02:39 AM
"this is vietnam1947@earthlink.net Fred, I take it that because I use earthlink.net that I may not go to STEVES?????"

Your IP is not blocked...however several of the 209 sites are...

If you are not blocked, then the problem is on your end of the line...you probably have your "security" setting too restrictive,

McCall911
April 30, 2008, 03:56 AM
stevespages.com

Hmm...I can access it as if it were greased and I thought I had a high security setting. And I'm on AOL even!

Excellent site, BTW.

Joemyxplyx
April 30, 2008, 08:28 AM
Well, lets see if we can figure this out. For those of you that can't log on to Steve's site, what is you ISP.

I can't login although I used to before last weekend. My ISP is Warner Cable RoadRunner, also a very big ISP.

I did like Steve's site. It persuaded me to try H110 for my new .357 Marlin carbine. I also appreciated his having loads for Ramshot ZIP and TrueBlue when few other sites did.

But I don't need 10 kinds of hassle to try to get to the site. There are other sources for his information. They just weren't as convenient as Steve's site used to be. :banghead:

vietnam1947
April 30, 2008, 03:03 PM
Attn: Steves Pages, I was Just now able to go to your site and get on, Thank You , Fred

ricciardelli
April 30, 2008, 04:03 PM
If I ask anyone for thei IP Address, please do not tell me, "I'm on mary_had_a_little_lamb.com" or anything like that.

Give me the numbers! You know, a number like 208.73.221.182

eliphalet
April 30, 2008, 04:13 PM
Ricciardelli,
Thanks for the terrific web site, it is without doubt one of the finest of it's kind on the net.

Galil5.56
April 30, 2008, 07:04 PM
Quote:
I've NEVER seen a max load of 4.9gr of Bullseye for a 158gr 38 Special bullet like he lists.

Sierra #5

Wow, that is pretty damn stout for jacketed or otherwise and almost seems like a printing error. Is there psi data for this load in the Sierra #5? (I'm guessing no)

Mal H
April 30, 2008, 07:39 PM
If I ask anyone for thei IP Address, please do not tell me, "I'm on mary_had_a_little_lamb.com" or anything like that.

Steve, I think you might be expecting a wide spread knowledge of TCP/IP where it doesn't exist.

I also think you yourself muddied the waters a bit when you said:
#1) Because your ISP is the originating site of porn and spam flooding my systemAs you know, a users ISP (Internet Service Provider) is different from their IPA.

steve4102
April 30, 2008, 08:34 PM
Is there psi data for this load in the Sierra #5? (I'm guessing no)

NO! As a matter of fact none of my bullet manufacturer manuals list pressures. Not Nosler, Speer, Sierra or Hornady list pressures. I asked some of these guys why they do not list pressures. Sierra told me it is because they do not have pressure testing equipment, Speer took too long to find my way through their phone menu, Hornady said "I duno", "What would you do with it if you had it" and Nosler said that they do not list pressures because handloaders cannot be trusted with this information.

bluetopper
April 30, 2008, 10:18 PM
Galil5.56 yes that is a pretty damn stout load for a 38, but if Riccciardeli states it on his site, by golly, that's the way it is.

eliphalet
April 30, 2008, 11:13 PM
NO! As a matter of fact none of my bullet manufacturer manuals list pressures.Lyman's manual lists pressures, though they are not a "bullet manufacturer".

steve4102
April 30, 2008, 11:27 PM
.Lyman's manual lists pressures, though they are not a "bullet manufacturer

Correct, except there are many cartridges in my Lyman 48 that do not list pressures. Several Weatherby cartridges, the 6.5x55 and many many more.
If you want pressures you need to use the powder manufacturers data.

ricciardelli
May 1, 2008, 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ricciardelli
If I ask anyone for thei IP Address, please do not tell me, "I'm on mary_had_a_little_lamb.com" or anything like that.

Steve, I think you might be expecting a wide spread knowledge of TCP/IP where it doesn't exist.

I also think you yourself muddied the waters a bit when you said:

Quote:
#1) Because your ISP is the originating site of porn and spam flooding my system

As you know, a users ISP (Internet Service Provider) is different from their IPA.

------------------------------------------------------------

That is exactly why I differentiate between ISP and IP Address.

As I stated earlier, I generally block the IP Address of the system that has attempted to abuse my system. When there are MANY addresses from the same provider, I then block that entire provider.

The same for email addresses and email providers.

scott5
May 1, 2008, 12:56 AM
Hey Ricciardelli,
Thanks for having such a cool site, I use it often.:D

Gewehr98
May 1, 2008, 12:58 AM
That approach is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water, but I guess it is his website, and he can certainly deny a broad spectrum of potential visitors/donors if he so chooses... :o

ricciardelli
May 1, 2008, 02:33 AM
You can rest assured that if I found a baby in my bath water, or anywhere in my house, I would throw it out...:neener:

As for "donors", they are few and far between ... but the site is not there for income...

mrawesome22-250
May 1, 2008, 09:55 PM
Just so everyone knows, here is how to obtain your ip address in Windows.

Click start.
Click run.
Type cmd.
Hit enter.
Type ipconfig.
Hit enter.

steve4102
May 1, 2008, 10:15 PM
Just so everyone knows, here is how to obtain your ip address in Windows.

Click start.
Click run.
Type cmd.
Hit enter.
Type ipconfig.
Hit enter.

You sure? Isn't this going to list the Ip address on my side of the firewall. I'm not all that savvy about this stuff, but when I ran you little test I came up with an IP address that matched my internal network and modem. Not something I want to share on an open net. I think.

Eb1
May 1, 2008, 11:11 PM
mr. ricciardelli,
Please do not take what I am about to say the wrong way. I think you have a great site, and have visited many times.

In this day and age it is a known fact that if you host a domain on the internet you will need some intrusion detection prevention hardware appliance or appliances. Not you basic dlink router from a big box store (not saying you use this device or a similar device).

Maybe a firewall such as SonicWall that has gateway packet filtering for different types of intrusions with subscriptions along with a enterprise content filtering appliance. Paired with a wonderful device such as a Reflex or something in the same realm of appliances that allow you to set many limits/rules to certain ranges.

I am not saying that you are not using these devices, but blocking entire ISP blocks are not best practice of defending your website.

Also if you are not producing dynamic content. Maybe you should think about the age old way of running your site off a DVD. This makes your site completely write protected. This is an age old way of defending your site from being written to so that you can trouble shoot other issues.

I would like to leave you a thank you for you time and efforts. Please find away to not stress yourself by putting in individual IP's for access to your domain.

Otto
May 1, 2008, 11:23 PM
Just so everyone knows, here is how to obtain your ip address in Windows.

Click start.
Click run.
Type cmd.
Hit enter.
Type ipconfig.
Hit enter.


Just click this link.
http://www.ip-adress.com/

steve4102
May 1, 2008, 11:29 PM
...or just click this link.
http://www.ip-adress.com/

Thanks Otto. Your link directs everyone to there proper internet providers IP Address and not therir personal IP address.

Otto
May 1, 2008, 11:45 PM
If you need to surf anonymously without exposing your IP address I suggest you go here: http://xerobank.com/xB_browser.html
It's free and open source but very slow at times.

ricciardelli
May 2, 2008, 04:26 AM
"Maybe you should think about the age old way of running your site off a DVD."
=======================
Well, the DVD was a good idea when the site was small, but it is now well over 30 gig...and growing daily.

Eb1
May 2, 2008, 10:28 AM
ricciardelli,

Granted that is the "age old" :) EDIT: There are BlueRay discs now. :)

Nothing wrong with having several Non Writable Drives in a machine. I agree it isn't practical to do things this way anymore, but if running _nix machines there are ways to "Jail" people when they get in.

Either way. I wasn't trying to impose, or grade your hosting skills. I just wanted to give some suggestions that might help you control some of this mess we have to deal with today while leaving the site open for all of us to use, and keep you from having to setup an ACL for every user on the internet that wants to view your website.

Also if you are not running an email server turn off the daemons (_nix) that allow this. Tune up the machine to do one task and one task only. The more vanilla you have the computer. The easier it is to take control.

Thanks.

ForneyRider
May 3, 2008, 03:37 PM
I've worked on data search software for over 10 years. We sold chemical information search engines on CD(now DVD) and internet. Common DVD is 4.7GB. Just a educated guess, the data could prolly fit on a DVD. But typing all that into a database stinks and is highly prone to error, even when a highly qualified data entry person does it with a QA process. Also, $$$.

Steve's pages is really exciting. For best results, I usually navigate my way in from the front page. When I did a "save as favorite", and tried to go straight to a page, I had issues. When I start a new caliber, I try to always use his site to compare my load book data and powder company data. I use my high school English teacher's rule of min. 3 resources.

Much thanks for providing this information to the public.

ForneyRider
May 3, 2008, 03:41 PM
Oh yea, the 4x4 stuff is really cool too.

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