Dillon RL550B vs LEE Classic Cast Turret vs ???


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lgbloader
April 27, 2008, 05:45 PM
Hey Highroad Members,

I have a dilema, I have a couple of 650's and a couple single stage presses (1 x turret, and 2 single stage). That's not the dilema.

I have tried several other progressive presses (including the 550b) from friends of mine except the LEE Classic cast Turret. I don't know anyone who owns one so that I can try it either. Just how good is this press, really??

Here is what I want to do.

I only need to load aprox 200 - 400 rounds/month for 38 spcl and 357 mag, 44 mag and possibly maybe load for .223 (haven't decided if I want to go progressive with 223 or not) so caliber changes should be short and sweet.

I like my blue presses and had pretty much decided to add the 550b to my bench (I was recently told I am a member of the blue buffoon batallion and to the guys credit, maybe I am) since caliber changes are much easier on the 550b than XL650. (I have two 650's for that reason so caliber changes are out of the question on these machines) but I would like to get more imput on this. I don't like to change calibers on machines all that much but I am getting sick and tired of loading the above calibers on single stage :banghead: so what do you think would be the way to go???

Dillon RL550B vs LEE Classic Cast Turret vs ???

ALL opinions from ALL members welcome. :cool:

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ear-ingun
April 27, 2008, 05:51 PM
LEE Classic Cast Turret is not a progressive, it is a turrit press which holds a single case at a time while the turrit rotates, get your facts strait.

Although I liked my 550b and xl650, but sold them because the Hornady LNL Auto was so much better.

.38 Special
April 27, 2008, 05:56 PM
That's probably what you get for encouraging opinions from ALL members. Lol.

At any rate, I've had poor experiences with the few Lee bits that I've fooled with, while Dillon has never let me down. There are certainly people here who have had good luck with Lee, but in your shoes I would buy the Dillon and never look back.

hotwheelz
April 27, 2008, 06:19 PM
If your getting a 550b caliber changes are very easy to do it looks like most of .223 38-.357 are all small primer so youll only need to change the shell plate wich is 2 screws and a tool head wich is 2 pins. You can get a micro meter adjuster bar from uniquetek and only use 1 powder measurer with there set up you can repeat loads easy. When you want to load 44mag youll have to change the primer bar and its easy. JMHO from another BLUE KOOLAID DRINKER:D:D


http://www.uniquetek.com/

lgbloader
April 27, 2008, 06:20 PM
I hear ya, 38...

Thanks for your input...

P.S. For the love of GOD... Can someone teach this poor fellow (Mr. ear-ingun) how to spell!!!

lgbloader
April 27, 2008, 06:33 PM
Hot Wheelz...

Thanks for your input.

Score:

550b - 2
LEE - 0

plus

one member who can't spell

Redhat
April 27, 2008, 06:43 PM
The Lee Classic Turret could easily meet your stated needs and cost less.

I have had one for a year with zero problems. Loaded .223, 45 ACP, 270 and 30-06. Oh and please ignore rude comments. We aren't all that way here.

lgbloader
April 27, 2008, 06:53 PM
10-4 to that, Redhat.

Thanks for your post.

Score:

550b - 2
LEE - 1

Uncle Chan
April 27, 2008, 07:05 PM
Igbloader,

Lee Classic Turret will meet your needs. I've loaded thousands of rifle and pistol on mine and never had a single problem, not one. Changing caliber literally takes seconds. Turret plates cost $6.00 + shipping if you buy the "seconds" from Lee. And, you can load 200-300/hr.

As I've said before, I have a 550B. It is a darned fine machine. But for ease of use, maintenance, cost, etc., NOTHING will be a LCT.

U.C.

JDGray
April 27, 2008, 07:05 PM
I load on my Lee single stage, and old style Turrit:D:D I dont know what I'm missing, cause I've never used anything else. I batch size my cases, and hand prime, and fire up the turret, for some serious production. I usually have enough cases pre primed to load, till my fingers tingle, which is 200 or so cartridges. (1/2 hour):) Lee equipment works for me.

lgbloader
April 27, 2008, 07:17 PM
Uncle Chan, Thanks again for your input, it is what made me start this post in the first place.

JDGray, Your method is what I am doing now but I load 9mm and 45 on a progressive and my other pistol/revolver calibers seem more of a chore than fun. (I love reloading my rifles in single stage mode, though) but that's what is great about this wonderful world of reloading. There are so many different ways of doing things and they all end up at the same place - down range.

aerod1
April 27, 2008, 08:38 PM
I just bought a Lee Classic Cast Turret and am hoping it is a good press. I am retired and have time so I don't think I need to load massive amounts at this time.
I have heard good things about the LCT.
I am in the process of tricking it out now with the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and the Safety Prime Set, etc.
I have read a couple of reloading manuals and I am hanging around here to learn more about reloading.
Good luck with your decision.

strat81
April 27, 2008, 08:50 PM
For perspective, I can load about 175 pistol rounds per hour on a Lee Classic Turret and caliber changes literally take seconds. For 200-400 rounds per month, the Classic Turret sounds ideal. You can also remove the indexing rod and use it as a single stage for sizing, decapping, or whatever.

mek42
April 27, 2008, 08:57 PM
The Lee progressive turret is called the 1000.

CU74
April 27, 2008, 09:24 PM
I load 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Mag and .30 Carbine using a Lee Classic Turret. For 400-500 rounds a month I think it would be more than adequate. I don't own any Dillon presses, but as I recall back when I was looking around to get set up in reloading, Dillon was substantially more expensive than Lee. I went with Lee as the best value for my "needs" - I am not a high volume reloader.

stephpd
April 27, 2008, 10:00 PM
I'm really new to reloading and don't know squat but,.... why, when you have 5 presses and only reload 4 different cartridges would you need another? Doesn't say much for the 650's if changing dies takes so much time.

Makes me glad I passed on the blue presses and got a hornady. Once the dies are set, a slight turn of the lock and load collets and start on a different caliper. Can't believe that set up on the dillions takes so much time. Seems to me you should only need 1 press to do ALL your reloading. Isn't that what the presses were designed for?

I know if I ever get a shotgun (where is that rebate check) that I'd need a different press but I can reload almost all metallic cartridges on the lnl. Change overs only take a few minutes.

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
April 27, 2008, 10:07 PM
I have a Hornady LnL. I've owned a Dillon 550 and load regularly on my buddy's 650. I also own a Lee Classic Cast Turret press. If I had bought the Lee Classic Turret press first years ago, I probably would never have needed the progressives.

For cost, performance, ease of use, simplicity, effectiveness, caliber conversion savings, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING, beats the Lee Classic Cast.

Is it a progressive? No

Is it a turret in the classic sense? No

Does it load good ammo at a reasonable clip for those caliber conversions you don't load enough of to spend the money to buy a progressive conversion? Absolutely.

Are you stuck with only the Lee powder measure? No, you can add a Hornady case activated powder drop and a RCBS Uniflow easily.

My vote: The Lee Classic Turret.

Regards

CBS220
April 27, 2008, 10:41 PM
The Lee Classic Cast (Or 4-hole turret) is very fast, cheap, and very sturdy. Great press.

I hear ya, 38...

Thanks for your input...

P.S. For the love of GOD... Can someone teach this poor fellow (Mr. ear-ingun) how to spell!!!

No need to be such a jerk to the guy. You referred to what is obviously not a progressive press as a progressive. At least he made only three significant mistakes. You, on the other hand...

Hey, Highroad Members,

I have a dilemna, I have a couple of 650's and a couple of single stage presses (1 x turret, and 2 single stage). That's not the dilemna.

I have tried several other progressive presses (including the 550b) from friends of mine except for the LEE Classic cast Turret. I don't know anyone who owns one so that I can try it either. Just how good is this press, really??

Here is what I want to do.

I only need to load aprox 200 - 400 rounds/month for 38 spcl and 357 mag, 44 mag and possibly maybe load for .223 (haven't decided if I want to go progressive with 223 or not) so caliber changes should be short and sweet.

I like my blue presses and had pretty much decided to add the 550b to my bench (I was recently told I am a member of the blue buffoon battallion and to the guy's credit, maybe I am) since caliber changes are much easier on the 550b than XL650. (I have two 650extra apostrophes for that reason so caliber changes are out of the question on these machines) but I would like to get more input on this. I don't like to change calibers on machines all that much but I am getting sick and tired of loading the above calibers on single stage so what do you think would be the way to go???

Dillon RL550B vs LEE Classic Cast Turret vs ???

ALL opinions from ALL members welcome.

That's not even bothering with the sentence structure, or the run-on sentences! People who live in glass houses...

hotwheelz
April 27, 2008, 11:13 PM
alot :cuss::cuss: going on here .. The guy is just trying to get some info if your not gonna help let it be

.38 Special
April 27, 2008, 11:22 PM
"It's not 'dilema', it's 'dilemna'"

LMAO.

FWIW, I don't think it was the spelling so much as the "get your facts strait" business that caught "ear-ingun" some flack.

Now, can't we all get back to a nice, civil "Dillon vs. Lee" thread? :D

lgbloader
April 28, 2008, 01:30 AM
Thanks for having my back, 38. I was in the garage loading 38 spcl and 357 mag (100 rounds each) and doing some brasswork while I tumbled some 9mm brass and I saw some of the posts. CBS220 doesn't know the whole story behind why said what I said and I'm not going to take time to tell it.

So... how about those Dodgers...

CBS220
April 28, 2008, 06:54 AM
I merely stood up for a member who offered his opinion- and was jumped on by you. If you'll notice, I have also offered my opinion- which you asked for.

"It's not 'dilema', it's 'dilemna'"

Pretty sure it's a rule of grammar nazism, that you will make a mistake upon correcting a post. The point, however, is still valid. The OP's post was far and away worse than that of the other poster, and yelling at him was uncalled for.

As I said, the Lee Classic Cast Turret is not a progressive, and it is therefore not even a good comparison, but it is still a great press, and at a really good price.

stubbicatt
April 28, 2008, 07:51 AM
I use the Classic Cast when all I need is a couple hundred rounds or when case prep is involved. Ferinstance, if I should wish to uniform flash holes, or maybe clean primer pockets, trim, chamfer... these sorts of things. This is because I can readily remove and replace the shell casing from the shell holder on the ram. I also use it because my Dillon powder measure doesn't like extruded powders as well as does the so called Perfect Powder measure. When I used to handload for 5.45, I would run the bullets through a sizing die held in the Classic Cast Turret press, and it worked wonderfully.

I like mine a lot, and use it frequently. Lube points are provided for ease of use. It is a really good press. If I really push it I can get a production rate of about 200 rounds an hour, and I can remove the indexing rod should I wish to only use it as a single stage press.

The Super 1050 is set up with 223, and it will remain that way for a long time due to the difficulty of changing the dies and shell plate etc. experienced with that press.

I haven't tried the 550, although it looks like it could be a pretty cool setup.

sadlsor
April 28, 2008, 08:41 AM
I'll admit that I haven't used a single-stage in years, and doubt I've ever used a turret. I went straight to Dillon 550B - I bought a package deal, used, and still buy used whenever possible. Vehicles, guns, computers... whatever. That is the program that works for me, but it will obviously require at least a working knowledge of what you're after, which doesn't appear to be an issue in your case.

I'm cheap, and will be the first to admit it. At the same time, I don't want to buy anything trying to save a dime, only to learn later I should have spent more to get what I want.

Never had an experience with a Lee press, but Dillon's tech support, on the rare occasion I need to call, have been more than I would have asked. In the end, it appears to me that with the fairly small number of rounds you'll load each month, you could very well be satisfied without spending for the more expensive loader.

I've never regretted buying the 550B. I do generally prefer using Dillon dies, tho, over my Lee or RCBS dies, even if all fit the machine.

FWIW, I use it primarily for .45ACP (IDPA matches). Also .38, .357, .223, .308, .30-30, 22-250, 6mm x 55, 7.62x39 and occasionally 9mm. I trust y'all will overlook any misplaced periods or punctuation in my caliber countdown. :)

Galil5.56
April 28, 2008, 08:58 AM
The flexibility of being able to use a 550B as a full out progressive, all the way to a single stage press = versatility. Say you are just starting out and want to learn the ropes, then use it as a single stage, get more experience and you can turn the shellplate multiple times per round, get where you are comfortable with the process and go fully progressive.

Want to weigh every charge, screw in and out dies in the first stage, and hand inspect every round, then you can do this. Nothing says that you have to use a 550B as a rabid max cranking ammo factory. What getting the 550B does do is easily allow you to tailor the press to your needs, and not have a piece of equipment hold you back/limit you as your needs/skill progress. Having a no B.S. warranty that nearly all other makers were forced to adopt that really has teeth is just icing on the cake, and even if you hate the press, resale for 550B's is extremely strong.

snuffy
April 28, 2008, 12:19 PM
Okay, my turn!

I recently bought a lee classic turret. I have a xl 650 and a Bonanza co-ax as well as a lee chalanger. Before the 650 "happened", I had one of the old lee 4 hole turret's. Sold it along with all the turrets to a buddy as soon as I had the 650 set-up.

So why buy a turret? Good reports from others here and on other forums, my experience with the older lee turret, and the need to do small runs of some calibers I couldn't do well on the other machines. The co-ax requires different shell holder jaws to load 45-70 and 22 hornet. A major PITA to change over! Also a major expense to buy a shell plate and tool head for the dillon.

A recent caliber addition,(7.62X25 tokorav), caused me to really consider the turret. I could buy a complete loader for what a caliber conversion would cost me for the dillon!

As for how the turret works, so far it's been very good. The upgrades Richard lee made to the older turret are superb. The spent primer handling is one of the best upgrades, along with the safety prime system. The linkage is stronger and the whole press is taller. I got the safety prime and the pro disc measure WITH the double disc kit.

If there's any misspelled words, blame the Firefox spell checker! Grammar? Well high school english was 43 years ago!:evil:

DEDON45
April 28, 2008, 12:59 PM
Take a look at the Hornady LnL AP (Progressive)... I bought one a month or two ago, and I love it. Every press has their idiosyncracies, but I've found this one easy to maintain, care for, and feed. The free bullet offer (1000 bullets) also defrays much of the cost of the thing as well.

dwave
April 28, 2008, 05:15 PM
Easy now guys, you all traded your barbs, let it drop and get back to the topic. Remember its The High Road, and we don't need this thread locked down.

On topic I have a Lee turret press and it is great. I have all my dies set up and switching only takes seconds. I loaded up 50 .45 acps yesterday and it took about 45 mins working at a slow pace. I use mine as a single stage. The great thing over a single stage is when I am ready to move to the next die all I have to do is give the turret a twist and I am on the next one.

frenchwrench
April 28, 2008, 09:25 PM
I have the Lee Classic Turret and also bought a used 550b. The Lee is a great machine as is the 550b. The only difference is, one pull=one cartridge or
four pulls= one cartridge. They both produce great ammo and you can't go wrong with either one.;)

lgbloader
April 28, 2008, 09:33 PM
CBS... You don't know the whole story that was in another thread. Do me a favor and just drop it, Me and Ear-injun did. I hate to say it my friend but you are the one making an issue of it now. I have your opinion and thank you for it. Now, I don't need anymore opinions from you. Have a nice day:)

SSN Vet
April 29, 2008, 02:32 PM
the cost of setting up for another caliber on the Lee Classic Cast is VERY low.

$25 for a set up dies
$10 for an additional turret

away you go......

dial in the dies for your favorite load and pretty much never need to touch them again (untill they need cleaning at least).

krs
April 29, 2008, 03:06 PM
.38 Sprecial: "It's not 'dilema', it's 'dilemna'

Actually, it's "dilemma":rolleyes:

Nothing worse than correcting someone's spelling by mispelling their error, is there?

ear-ingun
April 29, 2008, 03:42 PM
There is a largebloater (oops, another spelling error) with the audacity to think that somehow I “dropped it” as “it” insults me by misspelling my moniker. You, sir, mistake that when someone chooses not to respond to your perverse doggerel, that you have somehow won or “patched things up”.

Yes, it is because of another thread where you were rightfully beaten up severely, that caused you to start this thread, not for advice, but to bolster your wounded ego, with answers that agree with yours. When people disagree, you attack them.

It is still my opinion that the Hornady LNL Auto progressive is the best bang for the buck, beside being the better machine. Everything needed for a Quick Caliber changeover (shell plate and bushings) is under $40 for each 3 die conversion.

Seek help!

lgbloader
April 29, 2008, 09:19 PM
Ear-Ingun,

I think the Hornady LNL AUTO PROGRESSIVE is cool too.

.38 Special
April 29, 2008, 11:30 PM
Actually, it's "dilemma"

Nothing worse than correcting someone's spelling by mispelling their error, is there?
Actually, yes, there is. It's misreading a post and then making fun of what you think it said. Go back and read the post in question, then note the one to which I was responding.

Also, you misspelled "misspelling". :neener:

Uncle Chan
April 29, 2008, 11:52 PM
You characters crack me up. :)

Igbloader, you can't go wrong with any of them if they meet your needs. Everyone has their favorite. You know mine. :)

For some reason, I'm partial to Lee. I've a Classic Turret, a Challenger, 4 Lee Loaders, and a Lee Hand Press. They all work stellar for me. I use Lee dies in nearly all of them with about 20 sets in various calibers.

I would love a Dillon 650 or 1050. I just don't have the $$$$. I would also love a Hornady. But, once again, I don't have the $$$$.

Lee works for me. Might not for you. Might for others. The beauty of the Classic Turrett is that it is cheap to purchase, maintain, and change calibers and the quality of the reload is every bit as good as on the most expensive machines. So, it comes down to needs and personal choice.

Good luck with yours!

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