South Carolina Teenager Kills His Family of 4


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Winchester 73
April 27, 2008, 07:16 PM
SC teen charged with killing family had recently moved home

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7406&eeid=5841917&_sitecat=1522&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt&_lid=332&_lnm=tg+ne+topnews&ck=

Published: 4/27/08, 5:06 PM EDT
By JEFFREY COLLINS
EASLEY, S.C. (AP) - A teenager who had recently moved back home after breaking up with his live-in girlfriend is accused of gunning down and killing four family members, stunning friends and neighbors.

Nathaniel Dickson, 18, was arrested Saturday night at a home in Belton about 20 miles from where the bodies of his father, stepmother, stepsister and younger brother were found, authorities said.

Those who knew Dickson grappled with how the quiet teen who loved video games and sports now was charged with four counts of murder.

"I can't put my finger on what happened," said Melissa Funk, whose 16-year-old son, Robbie, was good friends with both the suspect and the youngest victim. "It's not what I've known him to be."

Authorities would not talk a possible motive.

"I'm going to have this case tried in the courtroom, not out on the streets," Sheriff David Crenshaw said Sunday.

Dickson's father was found shot early Saturday in the yard of his one-story house in a wooded neighborhood just outside of Easley.

Samuel Andrew Dickson Jr., 46, died as paramedics arrived. Officers then went inside and found the bodies of his wife, Martiza Hurtado Dickson, 46; Melissa Giliam Salazar, 19; and Taylor Dickson, 14. All had been shot to death.

Taylor was found behind a clothes dryer where he was apparently trying to hide when slain. Authorities refuse to say how many times the victims were shot or release other details.

Dickson is the only suspect, and more charges could be filed against him, the sheriff said. Crenshaw said he does not think the teen has an attorney.

Dickson graduated from high school last year and moved in with his girlfriend, working a series of fast-food and restaurant jobs. The two broke up, and Dickson moved back in with his parents about two weeks ago, said Funk, who wasn't sure whether he had a current job.

Neighbors said the family was quiet and kept to itself. Joyce Allen's husband worked with Samuel Dickson, who went by Andy. The elder Dickson was an electrician with Vulcan Materials, a company that provides sand, gravel and crushed stone for construction.

Dickson didn't say much at work, keeping to himself. Most of Allen's memories are of him with his sons.

"He was crazy, crazy, crazy about those kids," Allen said. "I'd see him running up and down the road, taking them to ball games."

Taylor Dickson had just made one of the junior varsity baseball teams at Wren High School.

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moooose102
April 27, 2008, 07:38 PM
Terrible! Horrible! I Don't Understand!

PTK
April 27, 2008, 07:52 PM
I recall being 18. Boy am I glad I wasn't that dumb.

I sure was close, though... but that man is a murderer - he is not a kid or a child, he's an adult, and will most likely be in prison for a long, long time.

RNB65
April 27, 2008, 07:57 PM
I smell an insanity defense. But the jury won't be that dumb.

I hope he enjoys spending every single day of the rest of his life locked in a steel cage. Reality can be real painful.
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2TransAms
April 27, 2008, 08:03 PM
What goes on in the mind of someone who does that? If he thought his life was bad,it just got a whole lot worse.

Sad. Four lives gone and one thrown away.

Rustynuts
April 27, 2008, 08:07 PM
No qualms voting for the death penalty on that one.

Rachen
April 27, 2008, 08:08 PM
Terrible. I was really depressed when I read that story.

I hope he gets life in one of the worst prisons. Bubba, and the 300 pound former linebacker in the next cell will love playing with that one.

Bezoar
April 27, 2008, 08:21 PM
interesting they dont mention,oh finding a gun or anything on him or with his prints on it.
seriously, something is rather fishy with the story as is. anyone have a real newslink for it that has information?

Lupinus
April 27, 2008, 08:25 PM
Truly sad, right in my backyard too.

Winchester 73
April 27, 2008, 08:25 PM
Bezoar,is this not a real news link?The Associated Press.(AP)

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7406&eeid=5841917&_sitecat=1522&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt&_lid=332&_lnm=tg+ne+topnews&ck=

And another,the Columbia,SC newspaper:

http://www.thestate.com/statewire/story/388422.html

Coyote Blue
April 27, 2008, 11:40 PM
This is another sickening story.
40 to 50 years ago when guns were vastly easier to acquire by teenagers(and everyone)these inexplicable killings did not occur.
What societal changes have happened to make these horrendous incidents so commonplace today?
Family killing family.It's intolerable and maddening.

JerryM
April 28, 2008, 12:10 AM
I think it is an easy answer as to why this is done.
TV, movies, and video games show that the way to solve a problem is to "blow them away."

Teen years are often troubled in that one is not yet an adult but no longer a child. Peer pressure and music that advocates killing and suicide, and the internet where such things are seen have desensitised people to the seriousness of murder and suicide. The news media always cover such and copycats are prone to follow.

There is little to no discipline today, and so teens are prone to want instant gratification, and rebel when they do not get it.

The courts, and parents who do not attempt the tough love necessary to raise teens do not help either.

It is not going to get better in my view. The moral values continue to decline, and things that were once considered as unacceptable are not accepted.

Maybe his parents objected to his shacking-up.

Regards,
Jerry

cslinger
April 28, 2008, 12:15 AM
I think it is an easy answer as to why this is done.
TV, movies, and video games show that the way to solve a problem is to "blow them away."


I grew up playing violent video games, playing cops and robbers, army, GI Joe and watching such classics as Platoon or any number of other violent movies.

All that being said I was taught the difference between make believe and the real world and I got a foot up my arse when I got out of line.

Parenting is the issue as is the propensity to medicate any and every kid every time they get rambunctious or....well act like a kid.

Chris

JerryM
April 28, 2008, 12:27 AM
Hi Chris,
If you grew up playing with GI Joe you grew up in a different era, and not like today. Did you also play music that pushed killing cops or women or parents?
Some of the music is Satanic, and contrary to the statements that "Music is neutral" it is not.

I don't have any of that music, but have read the lyrics to some.
Not all will fall into the killer mentality, but obviously some do.

I agree that poor parenting is a large factor.

I grew up playing soldier and cops and robbers (no video games as we did not have them) but we had a different mind set. The constant dose of violence has changed the way of thinking of some.
We never thought of killing school mates, teachers, or even bullies. To kill a parent or sibling was not even thought of.

Regards,
Jerry

cslinger
April 28, 2008, 12:33 AM
I grew up in the 80s so to speak. I listened to Iron Maiden, Slayer etc. I played violent video games, I was in high school when such classics as F... The Police etc. came out. I was exposed to drugs in school, exposed to bullies and so on.

I was however, brought up with plenty of room to grow and given plenty of personal responsibility but the minute I abused that priviledge, I got a boot up my arse so to speak.

I personally think the propensity to medicate children as well as parents who let TV, Radio and Video games raise there kids are the problem.

Chris

Ninja42
April 28, 2008, 12:33 AM
JerryM, I respectfully disagree with your statement on video games and music causing this young man to do this. While it is true that anything in the mans life could be a contributing factor, blaming his actions on the media just isn’t fair. I’ve played vast amounts of D00M, counter-strike, Postal and many more games like that back in the day, and my record collection includes music that has been blamed for causing other teenage shootings, and yet I have grown up to become a responsible non-homicidal adult (IMHO at least).

Just like some people are just not capable of moderating their own alcohol consumption and some people lack the sense of responsibility to handle firearms, some people are just not smart enough to discern fact from fiction, and thus shouldn’t be allowed to watch and play media violence. Failure to protect the kid from media that his mind can’t handle during his upbringing is the parents fault, the media had nothing to do with that. If they (the parents) had done a better job raising that kid, they might have been alive today.

EDIT: It would appear that I were ninjaed several times...

macadore
April 28, 2008, 12:35 AM
JerryM

It is easy to blame things we dislike and do not understand for all the world’s evils, but that is seldom justified. People went on killing sprees in the “good old days” as well.

lvcat2004
April 28, 2008, 12:42 AM
I'm not sure that I agree with a statement that "these things" didn't happen decades ago. I think these crazy things happened, but we didn't have internet and mass media that made it easier for us to find these incidents.

JerryM
April 28, 2008, 12:44 AM
I stand by my statements, and while all will not do such, it is evident to me that the things I mentioned are significant contributing factors to the teen violence we see so often these days.

I guess we will have to disagree on this, but I have witnessed the deterioration of moral values and lack of discipline in society as a whole, and am firmly convinced that I am correct. I don't even need a study by a bunch of PhDs to confirm it. I have seen it for myself.

I don't like that stuff and it would not be in my house. If my child was shacking up he/she would not be welcome at home until such a lifestyle was terminated, and they repented. Love does not mean acceptance of sin.

Throughout human history such things have happened, but nowhere near the extent that it does now. We did have newspapers and radio news, and such incidents would have been reported.

As I said, there is a different mindset in teens and society in general, and it has changed significantly. I do know how people thought and how they think now by the evidence.

I might add that in the movies I saw in my youth, their was a distinct difference between the good guys, and the bad guys, and the good guys won. Crime did not pay.

Best,
Jerry

cslinger
April 28, 2008, 01:03 AM
I do agree that there has been a deterioration of moral values so to speak and I would even agree that the media has embraced this. I do not agree that the games, movies, books etc. are major factors in this though. One can read ancient Greek texts that basically have the same laments by the elders about the younger generation or society in general and these were written quite a few years back.

I guess we will have to disagree on this,

Yep and that is what makes this country great. I respect your opinion and would be more then willing to debate it in a friendly way all night long and in the end whether I won you over, you won me over or we both were unswayed would mean little to me. Different opinions are what makes the world a great place.

Take care, stay safe.

Chris

Coyote Blue
April 28, 2008, 01:03 AM
It is easy to blame things we dislike and do not understand for all the world’s evils, but that is seldom justified. People went on killing sprees in the “good old days” as well.
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I'm not sure that I agree with a statement that "these things" didn't happen decades ago. I think these crazy things happened, but we didn't have internet and mass media that made it easier for us to find these incidents.


Just try to show us documentation that these family slayings and school shootings by teenagers happened in the 50's and 60's.
With a few exceptions(Charles Starkweather is one)they were rare to non-existent.

blkbrd666
April 28, 2008, 01:13 AM
A point I was trying to make with the "Were you an armed child" post. Earlier generations didn't shoot people and most everyone had a gun at an early age. I think some of the kids are screwed up and it's not due to the parents in all cases. Example: I doubt any of the kids I see "bustin' a sag" trying to look like a convict were taught that by their parents, although these kids will likely be showing their own children someday...if they manage to hold a family together. Some of them wouldn't think twice about hurting someone else, even family...they don't care about their future...they don't even care about their possessions, else they would paint their car and not drive around in primer with parts hanging off. I think society, schools, peers, doctors, etc. are messing up a lot of kids. Another example: Seems like everyone I know has a kid "suffering" with A.D.D....(BULL!!!, sorry), so some doctor prescribes a mind altering drug they take for 5 years, then have trouble when they come off it. 20 years ago nobody knew what Ridlin was. Too much urbanization and so-called progress...but, the earth will clean itself up some day and if there's a couple of humans left, they will start from scratch. It can only get just so bad.

lvcat2004
April 28, 2008, 01:16 AM
they didn't have the data base that we have now, so that in by itself is difficult search, not to mention that our population has increased significantly and MORE thing happen by just that nature.

I read papers, watch the news on TV and have not heard about this incident, have you??

there is an example of how it's much easier to disseminate information in this age. Oh, did I mention that I listen to the good old radio too?? I didn't hear about it on the radio either.

typevx
April 28, 2008, 01:23 AM
Things like this have happened since the dawn of time, the only real answer is the news media sensationalizes everything shocking to get better ratings and the population is beau coups higher it was 50 years ago so more population = more violent acts. plus parenting sucks nowadays. that kid didn't just wake up that way one day and say "hmm, I think I'll kill my parents" things like this fester inside a person for years. somehow he felt like an outcast in his own family or maybe he was abused by one of his parents and just went ape****. still he should have got a grip cause now he's gonna be taking it up the tailpipe by some 7 foot guy named nasty nate! what a shame, for all involved, and for the gun community, this kinda **** makes us look bad. :(

SecuritySixShooter
April 28, 2008, 01:34 AM
"I might add that in the movies I saw in my youth, their was a distinct difference between the good guys, and the bad guys, and the good guys won. Crime did not pay."

Then you were watching movies back when the old Production Code was in effect. Circa 1930-roughly 1965ish. Parenting is the key to the problem. Solve the parenting issue and you solve the problem. Everything is fine in moderation.

vis-à-vis
April 28, 2008, 01:39 AM
:(

Gosh. That's awful.

Coyote Blue
April 28, 2008, 01:47 AM
they didn't have the data base that we have now, so that in by itself is difficult search, not to mention that our population has increased significantly and MORE thing happen by just that nature.

I read papers, watch the news on TV and have not heard about this incident, have you??

there is an example of how it's much easier to disseminate information in this age. Oh, did I mention that I listen to the good old radio too?? I didn't hear about it on the radio either.

Total malarkey and faulty excuses.
It simply didn't happen back then.
Show me the money.

Sage of Seattle
April 28, 2008, 02:04 AM
Thank God that you all have figured out the young man is guilty.

Saved us a bunch of money so we don't have to run around and produce silly evidence or anything.

Coyote Blue
April 28, 2008, 02:08 AM
Thank God that you all have figured out the young man is guilty.

Saved us a bunch of money so we don't have to run around and produce silly evidence or anything.

You've got the right handle.

Ske1etor
April 28, 2008, 02:14 AM
Total malarkey and faulty excuses.
It simply didn't happen back then.
Show me the money.

I suggest you do a bit of research.

1949, Howard Unruh
1955, Jack Gilbert Graham
1958, Charles Starkweather
1966, Charles Whitman
1966, Richard Speck

All of those guys were in their 20's when they committed these crimes.

It happened, the difference is the instant media these days. It happens and within minutes the whole world has it on their internet browser. Back in the 40's, 50's and 60's you either had to catch it on the radio or on the news at night.

Coyote Blue
April 28, 2008, 02:24 AM
I suggest you do a bit of research

"Just try to show us documentation that these family slayings and school shootings by teenagers happened in the 50's and 60's.
With a few exceptions(Charles Starkweather is one)they were rare to non-existent."

I suggest you read my original statement above..Were Unruh,Graham,Whitman and Speck teenagers?Only Starkweather as I said.
Now ,go back to school.

Ske1etor
April 28, 2008, 02:28 AM
Yeah, wow. Good point there. You only really die if a teenager is doing the killing.

You think there is a difference between a 18 year old and a 20 year old?

I could have done without the "Go back to school" comment. If you are going to resort to personal attacks I suggest you take it to another forum where blatant disrespect and hateful posts are the norm.

nobius
April 28, 2008, 02:58 AM
I think that we have gotten away from the crux of the matter here. The motive and causes are no longer important. The apparent fact is that this young man has, for whatever reason, killed his family.

If found guilty, he should hang publicly.

How many more people are going to have to die before we realize that the current culture of coddling and bowing to the "rights" of criminals is not only ineffective, it is detrimental to society.

The only thing that prevents these atrocities is a grounding in what is right and wrong and the knowledge that if you do wrong there are definate and severe penalties.

Coyote Blue
April 28, 2008, 03:00 AM
I could have done without the "Go back to school" comment. If you are going to resort to personal attacks I suggest you take it to another forum where blatant disrespect and hateful posts are the norm

You misread my original post, you mis-spoke on your comment and now you are attacking me!And you consider my comment a hateful post?That will not work.
I'll keep this small.The U.S population doubled between 1952,150 million to 2007,300 million.
You have Google,Yahoo,Ask,Wikipedia,etc. at your disposal.
I'll bet you $100.00 Yankee dollars you can not come up with 10 incidents between Jan.1,1946 and Jan.1,1976 where a TEENAGER committed multiple homicides by killing family members,friends,schoolmates,the public at large as happened in SC yesterday.
Now, put up or forever hold your peace on this issue.That goes for the 2 other posters that believe these events were occuring but we just didn't know about it because of the lack of all these new fangled communications.
So that's 300 smackers.Are you all game?
You have 30 long years to play with.If I'm wrong it won't be the first time.
Get ready,get set,do you go?

lvcat2004
April 28, 2008, 03:40 AM
Coyote Blue, take your hate, personal attacks and immaturity to a different forum please, thank you.

Coyote Blue
April 28, 2008, 03:47 AM
Coyote Blue, take your personal attacks and immaturity to a different forum please, thank you.

And from Vegas no less!
And these are personal attacks where I am asking for a simple rebuttal?
Who is being immature here?
No thank you,Ivcat2004.
Come up with answers,not platitudes.

guntotinguy
April 28, 2008, 04:39 AM
How very.very sad this type of thing took place...in today's time or at all.

brigadier
April 28, 2008, 09:00 AM
What societal changes have happened to make these horrendous incidents so commonplace today?
Family killing family.It's intolerable and maddening.

When I was a child, things were slower, politics were more simple, conviction was borderline commonplace and people had fewer friends and associates in more confined areas. The legal system and cultural fear was also much less leaving people much less intense. This was not too long ago. Back before that it was far better in this respect.
I think all of the above factors are driving people in our society to have less regard for others and at the same time, live much closer to the brink on a daily basis, making it much easier to snap.
The more paranoid, hateful, arrogant and selfish we are, the more these problems will persist.
As for video games and movies, bloody media has been around for generations, and most of you guys saw it plenty in your youth. That never made you a maniac now did it? So far, I have not seen where there is any evidence of a connection between his love for video games and the murders. Even the cops don't seam to be concerned with it.
Funny how we continually make such allegations despite the fact that those who actually study these murders up close and personal never seam to mention them as a motive, even in the cases where murderers borrowed tactics from games and movies, showed no further connection.

another okie
April 28, 2008, 09:25 AM
The culture is indeed more full of depictions of meaningless violence than it used to be. The problem with the discussion on this thread is that some are using a simple form of causation - A causes B. Life is not that simple.

I think in this case the violent popular culture makes some people who are susceptible to it already more likely to act out.

Healthy people are not going to be led to violence by a video game, but someone who is near the edge might be pushed a little closer. That's what most scientists who have studied the issue have concluded, anyway.

I also think the subtext of this discussion is that some are afraid the argument will be used as an argument for censorship, even though those saying the videos can cause problems don't say that. So if the real point of the discussion is censorship, let's talk about that.

hso
April 28, 2008, 08:30 PM
This certainly has taken an unpleasant turn. Closed.

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