Winchester White Box VS Remington UMC


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tntwatt
April 28, 2008, 07:12 PM
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Atla
April 28, 2008, 07:13 PM
Oh no I started this didn't I from the Walmart thread.

Remington UMC is more -consistant-.

Try taking winchester white box, any caliber, and sending them through a chrono and you'll see what I mean. ;)

Winchester 73
April 28, 2008, 07:16 PM
Remington UMC is more -consistant-.


Agree.

tntwatt
April 28, 2008, 07:17 PM
Atla, yep.

The WWB is slightly cheaper at wolly world but they almost never have .45 UMC in stock.

Atla
April 28, 2008, 07:18 PM
I should add that I also think Winchester White Box is more 'sketch'.

I've heard and seen a lot of deformed rounds in WWB lately. Also heard of some Squibs and even some KaBoom's. (stands to figure guys, if the powder load is very low in some rounds - it is very high in others)

I don't really like shooting it anymore.

WSM MAGNUM
April 28, 2008, 07:19 PM
If I`m going to buy either one for just target shooting at the range, it makes no difference to me. I`ll buy whatever is cheaper. Inconsistant or not, makes no difference for just plinking or target shooting.

Mike J
April 28, 2008, 07:32 PM
Didn't vote because I usually use Blazer Brass for target. I believe it is cheaper than either of your choices & the only thing my Ruger P-944 has ever failed to eject with was UMC.

tntwatt
April 28, 2008, 08:10 PM
mike j, haven't tried blazer brass. where do you normally buy?

Lupinus
April 28, 2008, 08:56 PM
wally world sells blazer brass. Good price and good stuff

Ala Dan
April 28, 2008, 08:57 PM
dirty as all get out, but does the job! ;)

Big Daddy K
April 28, 2008, 09:07 PM
Have ya noticed that UMC 9 hps dont open up in wet newspaper?

Then again I shot a couple of my friends high dollar ? hps and they didnt open either.

WWB is 4 bucks cheaper per 100 but the UMCs look cooler.

Winchester 73
April 28, 2008, 09:22 PM
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!!!

Still an excellent idea after 144 years

OMGWTFBBQ
April 28, 2008, 09:31 PM
I've heard good things about Aguila's ammo, but I haven't tried any of their center fire ammo myself. CCI Blazer Brass is good stuff, Dirty, but more consistent than WWB, and my Sub 2000 likes it better than UMC. Out of a 100 of each, UMC gave me 2 FTEs, WWB had a squib and a couple rounds that sounded and felt a little light, CCI worked as well as I expected it to(relatively consistent, and reliable).

retgarr
April 28, 2008, 09:51 PM
Hm, I dunno about aguila center fire, but I know that their .22lr smells like cat piss and isn't always liked by semi auto pistols.
And blazer brass produces consistent pressure according to feel, but it sure makes my cz dirty, not the easiest gun to clean either. Although it will eat anything.

Sans Authoritas
April 28, 2008, 09:52 PM
UMC brass seems to be of a higher quality seems to me to be much better for reloading. Anyone else noticed it?

-Sans Authoritas

Auburn1992
April 28, 2008, 09:57 PM
WWB is 4 bucks cheaper per 100 but the UMCs look cooler.

Just wondering, how does it look cooler?

XD Fan
April 28, 2008, 10:03 PM
I use the CCI Blazer Brass as it saves me a couple of bucks a box. I have only had one hiccup in several thousand rounds. But I do prefer UMC to WWB.

peacenik
April 28, 2008, 10:17 PM
I get better accuracy with the Remington. I have no idea why.

3 gun
April 28, 2008, 10:19 PM
Can't tell the difference between the two. I've used thousands of both. Both make the same power factor (129-131) when used for USPSA matches. I buy whatever is cheapest. WWB seems just a little cleaner shooting.

Patrick Henry
April 28, 2008, 10:21 PM
I think Remington has underloaded ammo, at least in the calibers I shoot, 9mm and .38 spl.

No Remington 9mm comes even close to 115gr WWB. I've never had any failure in hundreds of rounds of the latter. Shot to shot it feels consistent to me.

Judging from the holes in the paper, Remington 158gr LRN .38 special is tumbling through the air, at least from a 2-inch barrel. I wish somebody would chrono some of that, I bet it's going slow as hell. (even for .38) Don't seem to have that problem with their 130gr MC.

Another issue with Remington is their primer caps are very hard. My friend's PPK would put a nice dent in the primer with no ignition. 2nd strike the round would fire if you manually cocked the hammer. He said other brands weren't a problem.

rockinrussky
April 28, 2008, 10:24 PM
I've come across a couple of slightly deformed white box (9mm) out of a thousand rounds or so while I've yet to have a single issue with the UMC. Plus, the UMC just seems to be a bit more accurate and not quite as dirty.
Heck, if you want something cheap to plink with just get Blazer brass, plus the non-aluminum cased ones are reloadable.

Halo
April 28, 2008, 10:33 PM
I think Remington has underloaded ammo, at least in the calibers I shoot, 9mm and .38 spl.

My experience has been the same, though the only Remington I've shot is their 115gr UMC in 9mm. The recoil seems noticeably softer than other range fodder I've used. I'll have to chronograph some next time I go shooting. Out of curiosity I pulled a bullet from the 9mm UMC and was really surprised at just how little powder there was in there. I know fast burning powders have a smaller charge, but I was still surprised.

On the upside I do like the Remington cases for reloading.

bakert
April 29, 2008, 03:35 AM
I've heard second hand horror stories about both but I've used both with good results, even used them both in my carry guns at times. Often think some people complain just about anything or maybe I just got the good batches:p
Edited to add, my experience only with 9MM and .45ACP

Valkman
April 29, 2008, 03:59 AM
Much prefer WWB. The one time I chrono'd my reloads and factory ammo (all in .45acp), the reloads and WWB were consistant and almost equal in every respect. The UMC was all over the map like their powder thrower was dumping a different load every round.

kd7nqb
April 29, 2008, 04:06 AM
I am a WWB guy but I will buy either or Blazer brass whichever is least outrageous at that time. Also I have been told (but not yet confirmed) that there is a difference between the green box UMC and the stuff in the yellow 250rnd packs.

tntwatt
April 29, 2008, 06:09 AM
bump

Mousegun
April 29, 2008, 07:41 AM
I've used some expensive stuff in my Kel Tec PF-9 that didn't cycle all that reliably but Remington UMC works every time.

chieftain
April 29, 2008, 08:17 AM
I use what ever they got in 45acp. WWB or UMC. I had multible problems with Blazer Brass, none with Blazer auminum.

In 9mm it is WWB all the way, been shootin it for near on 16 years IIRC now. Several hundred thousand rounds down range with one, about 8 years ago, with the primer in backwards.

That one got me an additional hundred rounds of 9mm.

Shoot what you like.

Oh yea, the WWB 45acp Chrono'd consistantly around 833fps. with a power factor about 191-193

Go figure.

Fred

Phil DeGraves
April 29, 2008, 08:22 AM
Winchester Brass is better than Remington if you reload. I've had bad experience with Remington ammo; bullets not seated properly, or coming loose or being pushed into the case. And the brass is very thin.

1911 guy
April 29, 2008, 08:58 AM
WWB for me. In the last couple years I've gone through probably 6 or 7 K from the factory and reloaded the cases several times with no problems. Just recently switched to Blazer Brass due to a supply issue (WWB went up in price at the gunshop). We'll see how these cases hold up to reloading.

BattleChimp Potemkin
April 29, 2008, 09:03 AM
The only issue Ive had with Blazer Brass was I recieved a few boxes one time that were untumbled at the plant (still had manufacturing lube on them). I bought these from Wally World. They fired just the same though.

Ive heard of UMC jamming some guns up (squibs) but they are more velocity consistent.

WWB had high variations, however, I have yet to see one squib or KB.

Makes me wonder what variations they have with their defensive stuff. I guess that is why I handload ALL my ammuniton (defensive or not). Im the quality control, so I feel confident in the munitions.

.cheese.
April 29, 2008, 09:07 AM
Also I have been told (but not yet confirmed) that there is a difference between the green box UMC and the stuff in the yellow 250rnd packs.

It's true. There is a difference ..... they use yellow ink on one box, and green ink on the other. There it is. The difference. Right there.

ServiceSoon
April 29, 2008, 01:03 PM
I've used some expensive stuff in my Kel Tec PF-9 that didn't cycle all that reliably but Remington UMC works every time.White box jams in my P229 ST. No problem with UMC.

CountGlockula
April 29, 2008, 01:12 PM
You should've added CCI Blazer Brass, they're WAY cheaper.

But I chose WWB for my .40S&W Glocks.

Hokkmike
April 29, 2008, 01:47 PM
Have used both without any misfires. They are about the same to me.

Henry Bowman
April 29, 2008, 03:14 PM
In my limited experience, UMC tends to spit a lot of still-burning powder out the barrel. It may be no big deal, but I don't like that. So I usually choose WWB over UMC.

Atla
April 29, 2008, 04:41 PM
Well - I think what this should really come down to is take a box of both UMC and Winchester out to the range and shoot them through the same gun at targets and see which it likes best.

Every gun prefers certain ammo better than others.

Whichever it works best with - use.

possum
April 29, 2008, 06:19 PM
i get whatever is cheapest, they both work fine for me, i have some bad rds in umc. 1 .40s&w and 2 .223 and non from wwb. but that is just me being picky.and that is out of a lot of ammo.

jaholder1971
April 29, 2008, 08:02 PM
I've yet to see a difference in 9mm, .38 or .40S&W.

My SA Milspec doesn't like WWB accuracy wise but will shoot UMC just fine. What's weird is my reloads using Winchester components and powders (attempting to duplicate the trouble) shoot better than UMC.

Zedicus
April 29, 2008, 08:10 PM
Judging from the holes in the paper, Remington 158gr LRN .38 special is tumbling through the air, at least from a 2-inch barrel. I wish somebody would chrono some of that, I bet it's going slow as hell. (even for .38) Don't seem to have that problem with their 130gr MC.


Same with .40S&W with my Glock 22, can't seem to get tighter groups with it than 6" at 30 feet (one even went through the target stand 1x2" sideways) with (Yellow Box) UMC, WWB is a bit better (and doesn't tumble), Magtech I can do 2-3" Groups and with Crossfire Reloads I can manage 1 1/2"-2 3/4" Groups at the same range.

SoCalShooter
April 29, 2008, 10:20 PM
I shoot white box all the time in my 45 and it shoots better than the remington stuff. (tighter groups) mind you the groups I am looking for are at 50 and 25 yards.

djm725
April 29, 2008, 11:25 PM
For my money it's Winchester White Box, I've never had a lick of trouble and will continue to use it as often as possible. I have had some failure to fire with Remmington Green Box and think it leaves more carbon.

Srigs
April 29, 2008, 11:45 PM
I have only had problems with WWB and none with UMC. I use more UMC than anything else.

cracked butt
April 30, 2008, 01:30 AM
I use either/both. I'll take Fiochi over both when I can find it.

cowssurf
April 30, 2008, 01:38 AM
All the Winchester White Boxes I've bought from Walmart in 9mm have left tiny yellow flakes (not brass) all over and inside my gun. Very annoying.

Wesson Smith
April 30, 2008, 09:30 AM
I've got a boatload of WWB. All of my sidearms (in 9MM) seem to like it, and there's one thing I know for sure - my CX4 Storm (again, in 9MM) eats it up like candy, and is pretty much dead-on with it at 35-40 meters.

Headless
April 30, 2008, 09:37 AM
The only failure to cycles i've ever experience in my S&W 659 9mm were from the same 100rd box of UMC ammo. That's over 25,000 rounds without a problem except when using UMC ammo. I'd fired 500+ rounds in one session without cleaning that gun without any problems, but in less than 100 rounds of UMC the gun was so gunky that the slide felt 'sticky' on the rails. The second failure came only 30 rounds after the first - and after the first i field stripped the gun and cleaned it on the spot. I haven't touched UMC since, though i'll admit that it's possible i simply got a bad batch. That admitted, i've never seen a bad batch of WWB...

10X
April 30, 2008, 09:59 AM
I found Rem UMC 45 ACP surprising accurate. It will hold the 10 ring at 25 yards. Quality is just fine. It is slightly more accurate than WWB.
I have to agree it does leave a lot of residue in the gun, but I don't shoot that many rounds any more (don't have to because I hit what I am shooting at) and clean the gun after each range session.

revjen45
April 30, 2008, 10:21 AM
"Just wondering, how does it look cooler?"
'Cause when it's polished up it matches the dental grillwork. :D

Regen
April 30, 2008, 10:52 AM
I regularly buy 9mm UMC for ~$7 for a 50rd box. I've never seen anything that low in price for other brands. I regard UMC as fairly dirty, I can't imaging WWB being worse. What do people pay for a box of 50rd 9mm?

romma
April 30, 2008, 10:54 AM
WWB seems to be cleaner. Although I do not like the cone shape .380 ammo in WWB

xpun8
April 30, 2008, 12:15 PM
Every time GI Joe's gets it in I snatch up some .40, .45 and .223. I haven't had any issues with the yellow box.
"Just wondering, how does it look cooler?"
'Cause when it's polished up it matches the dental grillwork.
I've seen that grill @ Sam's. :) JK

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