Best place to buy a Mosin Nagant?


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308sc
April 29, 2008, 12:24 AM
Hi,

I was wondering where is the best place to buy a Mosin Nagant? What websites do most of you buy yours from? I'm pretty sure i have decided on getting the full size 91/30 rifle....but if you can convince me the carbine is better i would consider that too. I have heard all this stuff about receivers.....hex, round? which is better? And last what else should I look out for when purchasing one of these rifles?

Thanks,

Ryan

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lvcat2004
April 29, 2008, 12:58 AM
visit:

www.7.62x54r.net

They have a lot of answers for your question. aimsurplus has some of the cheapest pricers on the net hat I've seen. I bought both of mine from big5 sports, but I think that's a west coast chain. price was $79 for both my m44 and 91/30, and nice thing is that I can hand pick what I wanted.

azhunter12
April 29, 2008, 01:05 AM
AIM is a good place.

308sc
April 29, 2008, 01:31 AM
what places are know for carrying "accurate" mosin nagants......if there are any places?

akolleth
April 29, 2008, 06:54 AM
J&G Sales

Call them at 928-445-9650, ask for Jose

Have him hand pick an ex-sniper for $79.99 plus shipping. The sniper rifles were chosen from all the rifles at the factory because of their higher levels of accuracy. Plus its pretty neat to have a Mosin that was actually a sniper back in WWII.

Vaarok
April 29, 2008, 11:17 AM
I would suggest Wholesale Guns And Ammo. Get an antique M-39 and don't look back.

cracked butt
April 29, 2008, 11:33 AM
Anywhere that you can physically inspect them yourself. Ordering them from a distributer/importer gives you a pig-in-a-poke chance of getting a good one, better off paying a little more to inspect them at a Dunhams, Big 5, or Gander Mountain. If it doesn't have a bright shiny (new looking) bore without a counterbore, pass it up for one that does.


I would buy a M39 sight unseen, but that's my only exception.

DMK
April 29, 2008, 11:36 AM
"accurate" mosin nagantsWhile the occasional 91/30 will shoot pretty good, most Mosin Nagants vary widely as far as quality. It can be a real crapshoot where bore diameter, stock bedding and trigger quality are concerned.

The best bet for a good shooting Mosin Nagant is the M39. It's quite a bit more expensive at $200-300, but well, well, worth it.

You can get M39s from:

http://www.gunsnammo.com/ (buy one of the antiques and you don't need an FFL)

http://www.southernohiogun.com/surrifle.htm

grimjaw
April 29, 2008, 11:37 AM
Best place to buy a Mosin Nagant:

From me! I have a lovely '32 Tula I'll sell you for cheap, love you long time, PM me.

;P

jm

offthepaper
April 29, 2008, 11:41 AM
Have him hand pick an ex-sniper for $79.99 plus shipping.

Are they actually "ex-snipers" for that price? I would think a true "ex-sniper" MN would be much more.

akolleth
April 29, 2008, 02:01 PM
Are they actually "ex-snipers" for that price? I would think a true "ex-sniper" MN would be much more.

Yes they are actual ex-snipers. You are paying the $69.99 for a 91/30 base price and a $10 handselect fee for ex-sniper. Jose will set you up right.

I just got my 1943 Tula Ex-PU from them last week--

mp510
April 29, 2008, 02:07 PM
I'm not real keen on buying a Soviet Mosin by mail-order, but does the JG Ex-Sniper come with the accessory pack- bayonet, sling, oiler, etc....

It might be worth taking the risk on one of those.

offthepaper
April 29, 2008, 02:30 PM
Yes they are actual ex-snipers. You are paying the $69.99 for a 91/30 base price and a $10 handselect fee for ex-sniper. Jose will set you up right.

So these have a factory bent bolt (not from the drill and tap kit) and the receiver is also drilled and tapped? If so, I might have to give Jose a call.

nwilliams
April 29, 2008, 03:56 PM
So these have a factory bent bolt (not from the drill and tap kit) and the receiver is also drilled and tapped? If so, I might have to give Jose a call.

I have a Tula ex-sniper from 1936 with a hex receiver that that I bought from J&G last year. The taps were filled in and the bolt was not bent so I don't believe that was original to the rifle. With these rifles what you are getting is the barrel and receiver from an ex-sniper rifle. I'm not sure how many other parts of the gun are original.

Here's my ex-sniper, I paid $99 for it from J&G.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/mosin7.jpg

akolleth
April 29, 2008, 06:45 PM
Be sure to check out Vic Thomas site here for some great info and pics about Mosin Snipers-- Snipers of the Red Star (http://www.mosinnagant.net/sniper%20section/sniperphotos1.asp)


Okay here is a little history on the ex-snipers.

The most accurate rifles were chosen at the factories for sniper conversion. When built in the factory the Mosin snipers were drilled and tapped for the scope mount, and a bent bolt added. The most common version is the PU

http://www.mosinnagant.net/images/65._pu_perspective.JPG

Although there are a couple of other earlier mounts used including a PE

http://www.mosinnagant.net/images/48._PE_top_mount__perspective_31.JPG


After the war, for some reason unknown yet, the snipers were converted to ex-sniper status (basically turning them into a regular infantry rifle). They converted the bolt handle to a straight handle, then plugged and welded in the holes for the scope mounts. A mosin in this condition is what is referred to as an ex-sniper.

They can be converted back again to sniper status, by drilling out/tapping the welds in the holes for the mount again (ranges from easy to incredibly hard), and rebending the bolt handle. Repro scopes and mounts are availabe all over the place for around $200-250.

To tell if yours is an ex-sniper there are a couple of easy ways to tell. First is on the receiver.

If you have a Tula built Mosin, it will have a CH stamped on the reciever near the barrel to indicate sniper-
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/TulaSniperCN.jpg

Izhevsk rifles have a scope number stamped into the side of the barrel (usually crossed out during the ex-sniper rebuild)
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/098266000/98266599/pix1599537421.jpg

If your ex-sniper is a PU sniper (Way more common than others), you will be able to see the 4 holes from the scope mount on the inside of the reciever (move the bolt back)
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/098266000/98266599/pix1599537625.jpg

If it was a PE you will not see those holes, as you can see the scope was mounted to the receiver. If its a PEM you will see one (possibly two) holes more centrally located on the inside of the receiver-

akolleth
April 29, 2008, 06:47 PM
I have a Tula ex-sniper from 1938 with a hex receiver that that I bought from J&G last year. The taps were filled in and the bolt was not bent so I don't believe that was original to the rifle. With these rifles what you are getting is the barrel and receiver from an ex-sniper rifle. I'm not sure how many other parts of the gun are original.

As long as your bolt matches the serial to the rifle it is the correct bolt. They converted snipers at the end of the war to a regular infantry rifle by converting the handle to a straight handle, plugging/welding the holes up.

nwilliams
April 29, 2008, 10:53 PM
Thanks for all the info Akolleth you answered a few things that had been puzzling me about mine.

nrgetik
December 24, 2008, 03:30 PM
Sorry to necro the thread here guys but this topic is of great interest to me since I'll be buying soon and I figured I might as well post in a thread where the topic has already been brought up...

So is there a general consensus that the extra 150-200 you'll spend on an M39 is worth it ONLY in terms of rifle quality/accuracy/durability? (Ignoring the fact that the M39 is much rarer and thus a semi serious collector's item)

I'll put it another way. If I called up J&G or AIM Surplus, talked to a sales rep, communicated to them that I wanted them to hand pick the BEST ex-snipers they could find, and assuming they did, would the rifle's accuracy be comparable to an M39? If not, would it take much work on my part to make it that accurate?

Which is a better value? If there was a unit to measure the quality/durability/accuracy of a rifle, which rifle would you be getting more of those units per dollar for? I'm assuming it'd have to be the M91/30, but I want to be sure

Any information greatly appreciated fellas!

nrgetik
December 25, 2008, 01:47 PM
Bump.

hawmanai
December 25, 2008, 04:12 PM
Fairly new to Mosins myself. They are a great bargain, accurate and powerful with a long history.

Have had a M44 for a few years and just picked up a 91/30 from J&G this one (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/mosin-nagant-91-30-hex-receiver-rifle%2C-select-grade%2C-7-62x54r-caliber-/products_id/2570?osCsid=5f55429d55f33a5783d53d3265fb6206) .

Got the M44 at Big 5 on sale, looked new and unfired and had to sand the stock some as it had sharp edges and slivers. After shooting it I wanted a M38 as the permanent bayonet adds weight (but sure looks evil). The metal has a nice finish to it, most Mosins I've seen have rough machine work.

Was wanting to try the 91/30 as the fireball from the M44 is something to be experienced (youtube m44 fireball). The longer barrel does tame the recoil and fireball. It arrived looking unused but dusty, like it was made then stored away.

Had been checking gun stores and Big 5 off and on for a M38 and looking at 91/30s also. Finally took a chance and ordered it and it payed off, gun is in good condition and shoots well.

Both of mine are marked as C.A.I. imported, might check century arms but they don't put prices online.

nrgetik
December 25, 2008, 06:03 PM
Thanks hawmanai, that's some good info. Additionally, does anyone know about whether 7.62x54r is being newly manufactured by anyone/anywhere? I mean, is the whole of 7.62x54r in existence surplus ammo? (Thus corrosive, which is fine, but eventually I might want to put some quality rounds through it)

Again any info is appreciated :)

PAPACHUCK
December 26, 2008, 08:42 AM
Most all of the ammo mfgs make a factory loading for the 7.62x54R. You should have no problem finding some via mail order, but don't expect to find any at WM.

Marine_wannabe
December 26, 2008, 09:04 AM
+1 on J&G Sales.

rangerruck
December 26, 2008, 12:20 PM
at a gunshow , where you can haggle about the price, where you can see and feel them , and work the bolt, where you can shine a light in them, through the muzzle end, and the bore end. where you can have them include the oiler, pouch, and dog collar sling. Where you can get it all for 100 to 120 bucks, and ge tthe one you want, with the color you want, with the bolt you like, with all matching numbers you checked, with the brass pieces on all the fixtures.
A gunshow, period.

rangerruck
December 26, 2008, 12:23 PM
oh yeah, unless you want a bayonet, don't get a 44, they are not accurate. get either a 38, very short, a 91/30, very long and old, or a 59/30, which were made after ww2.
ammo is made by everyone everywhere, new; wolf, silver bear, brown bear, Barnaul, T/c russia, olympic, and others. try anything in the 170 to 180 grain class; these will not only be the longest range, especially if shooting the 91/30's, but they will be the most accurate as well. Sometimes the 205's can be real accurate as well, but they have a huge drop off in trajectory. they will zero about 1 foot drop at 100 yds, from the 150 to 170's.

nrgetik
December 26, 2008, 12:57 PM
Thanks a lot guys...really helpful info. rangerruck I'd love to get one at a gun show but I'm not sure when the next one is going to be around here and I've already waited about a month to buy this thing, so I'm pretty sure I'm going to wind up getting one from an online retailer unless there happens to be a gun show within two weeks or so of now. Thanks a ton guys, seriously.

Edit:
What luck, there's a gun show coming through here next weekend :)

natecade1
December 26, 2008, 07:40 PM
oh yeah, unless you want a bayonet, don't get a 44, they are not accurate.

I get 3-4" groups at 100 yards with the iron sights on my m44 all day long. maybe I just got lucky *shrug*

trekgod3
December 26, 2008, 09:21 PM
I got my M44 at Gandermountain. They don't have any in S. Carolina, but they have 3 in N. Carolina.

nrgetik
December 27, 2008, 04:21 PM
There's a Gander Mtn. around here, maybe I'll go check them out too ...

shotgunjoel
December 27, 2008, 04:29 PM
Yeah Gander always seems to have nice Mosins, you get to inspect them too.

nrgetik
December 31, 2008, 01:52 PM
Awesome, I'm definitely going to check it out. Hopefully they have more than just the M44s

Ignition Override
December 31, 2008, 03:53 PM
If you can visit small town gun stores, there can be exc. examples.

Last August my perfect laminated 44 was a decent deal in a small store in Clarkesville, TN, but after state sales tax, almost the same price as a Gander Mt with typical wood, which could be negotiated from $149 down to $130.
The Gander up in Evansville had at least a couple of 91/30s.
THe key thing is to find out whether other invisible guns are hidden in back.

They want you to believe that only a few are available. Those at our gunshows are a bit worn or ragged.

My first 44 from 'Classicarms Inc' in December '07 is also about perfect.
If you are patient you will find the best rifles, anywhere. Some people at 'Gunandgame' (MN forum) will offer to help.

zoom6zoom
December 31, 2008, 04:01 PM
I get 3-4" groups at 100 yards with the iron sights on my m44 all day long. maybe I just got lucky *shrug*

Gotta agree. Maybe it's just yours. Did you know that the M44's were intended to be fired with the bayo deployed? Folding it back can change POI significantly.

zoom6zoom
December 31, 2008, 04:04 PM
I get 3-4" groups at 100 yards with the iron sights on my m44 all day long. maybe I just got lucky *shrug*

Gotta agree. Maybe it's just yours. Did you know that the M44's were intended to be fired with the bayo deployed? Folding it back can change POI significantly.

vector248
December 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
like said before J&G is really good, i have been to their store several times and have been really happy with them. But, if you like the nagant and don't mind spending more money, hunt down a finsh nagant. i feel they are much better quality, better sights and a heavier barrel. of course they are about 2 to 3 times more than a standard nagant.

nrgetik
January 5, 2009, 05:11 PM
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