[HABU]

I guess I am supporting terrorism. I drive a '97 chevy truck. Hardcore liberals consider pickup trucks to be SUV's. They probably dont realize that the term SUV is a new acronym, yet Chevrolet has been making the Suburban since at least the mid '30's. It tickles me when someone always wants to justify their car that wont withstand the impact of a common bumblebee by telling me how good of gas milage it gets. As for me, I want the law of superrior mass on my side if I am involved in an "accident" (incident).

(Sorry for the lack of a link. AOL is unfriendly that way.)

LOS ANGELES - A new front opened in the U.S. ''war on terror'' on Wednesday as pundit Arianna Huffington and three Hollywood pals launched a TV ad campaign to stop Americans from driving sport utility vehicles because the gas-guzzling autos inadvertently aid the country's enemies.

In two spots scheduled to begin running on Sunday, Huffington and her friends, who call themselves The Detroit Project, try to plant the idea that driving the hot-selling mammoth vehicles is unpatriotic.

The ads, which will appear through Friday in New York, Los Angeles, Detroit and Washington, D.C., parody the government's public service campaign against drug-sponsored terrorism, and aim to kindle public demand for tougher fuel efficiency.

''The goal of the campaign is not to demonize people who drive SUVs,'' Huffington said. ''We want to point out how our driving habits at home are fueling oil money to Saudi Arabia.''

One spot features a hapless SUV driver named ''George'' pumping gas into his vehicle while an oil company executive steps into a limousine and a group of turban-wearing soldiers fire automatic rifles into the air.

''This is George,'' a child says in a sing-song voice. ''This is the gas that George bought for his SUV. This is the oil company executive that sold the gas that George bought for his SUV. These are the countries where the executive bought the oil, that made the gas that George bought for his SUV. And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV.''

''Oil money supports some terrible things. What kind of mileage does your SUV get?'' the ad concludes.

THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY

In a series of close-ups, the second ad explores the purported consequences of buying foreign oil, juxtaposed with excuses people make for buying SUVs: ''I helped hijack an airplane.'' ''I like to sit up high.'' ''I helped blow up a nightclub.'' ''It makes me feel safe.'' ''I sent our soldiers off to war.''

''What is your SUV doing to national security?'' it asks. ''Detroit, America needs hybrid cars now.''

Affiliates of the Walt Disney Co.-owned ABC network in New York and Los Angeles have refused to air the ads because they are too controversial, Huffington said. The spots appear Sunday on network stations and for the rest of the week on cable TV news channels.

Huffington planted the seeds for The Detroit Project in her nationally syndicated column in October by fantasizing about a people's ad campaign taking the government to task for failing to pass tougher fuel efficiency standards while waging war to protect cheap oil.

Readers flooded her ''in'' basket with more than 5,000 letters by the next morning, asking where to send money for the mythical campaign. Within three weeks she had raised $200,000 to pay for a week of airtime and production of the ads.

Huffington recruited her hiking pal Laurie David, wife of ''Seinfeld'' creator Larry David, who had convinced her to swap her gas-guzzling Lincoln Navigator for a fuel-efficient Toyota Prius, and film producer Lawrence Bender and talent agent Ari Emanuel to guide the spots through production.

Although they had budgeted $50,000 to produce the spots, written by ''Got Milk?'' creator Scott Burns, most of the costs were waived when people learned about the project, Burns said.

The Detroit Project founders said plans to expand the campaign to more cities or to make new ads must await the public's response -- and their money.

''Some people will think we went too far. I personally wanted to be very confrontational,'' Bender said. ''Sept. 11 was very confrontational.''

[Zundfolge]

:rolleyes:

Then I guess I'm supporting the Nazis since I drive a Porsche.

:rolleyes:


okay, one more

:rolleyes:

[Yohan]

If we drive SUVs, the terrorists have already won :uhoh:

SUVS = the perfect vehicle for carrying tactical children and wasting tactical gas.

[El Tejon]

If you are against drilling in ANWR, do you support terrorism?

[BenW]

Hey, I hope they DO talk people out of buying SUVs. Then maybe the friggin' car companies will start making real 4X4s again and stop advertising independent rear suspension and a "car-like ride" as some kind of benefits.

I've been driving trucks and utility vehicles since 1979 and own one of each right now. I had a "chick magnet" car for a year when I was 18, but grew out of it :). I drive them and use them for what they were designed for and will continue to do so the rest of my life. You'll get my truck when you pry its seat off my cold, dead butt.

[zxc]

Guess this forum isnt keen to exclude non firearm topics from GD...not to be reactionary but "EVIL" SUVs? If youve got use for them, then good for you. I definitely got use for my "E**L" guns.

[Pointman]

I caught this on a radio show (Hannity and/or Mitch Album) last week and about flipped. Especially once it was made known that one of the organizers of this campaign had flown via private charter to France on a number of occassions.

A point was made that one of these round trips uses about 7000 gallons of fuel. Enough to run 7 to 10 SUV's for an entire YEAR. I still didn't hear how many trips there were.

Another point that was made somewhere along the line was that all the women driving SUV's were doing so because their evil men were making them.

It is rather amusing in a sick sort of way, that these commies can't espouse anything without blaming it all on the same groups. It's always the fault of Men, specifically Pro-Freedom Men. And all those Men are sexist, racists oppressors.

They're starting to sound like broken records and I think more and more of those on the fence are realizing this. And this anti-SUV campaign will only drive away those fence sitters as almost 1/2 the driving public now drives SUV and don't want some crone telling them they're "supporting terrorism".

Now if they really wanted to fight the big T word (terrorism) they could support expansion of the Federal Department of Civil Marksmanship program; Federal concealed carry; remove the ban on Homeland Security Rifles ( aka semi-automatic rifles); remove the bans on cheap import munitions, spare parts and mags and start teaching our children firearm safety and marksmanship in grade school. (education is the answer to AIDS and STD's but apparently not firearms).

Then they could gather all their liberal friends and march them off a very tall cliff.

But that doesn't further their true agenda: destroy America.

:fire:

[Dan Morris]

Most of the folks I know don't have SUV's,they have RUV's......real utility vehicles!This is because of work,where they go and what they use them for.
Just remember, PC was not at subject in the Patton School of Charm.
Dan
:cool:

[Gordon]

Makes me want to run out and buy a 16cylinder 12 litre Marmon 2 seat roadster!: :neener:

[suvdrvr]

I've never believed that the left's attacks on the SUV was because of fuel. I believe they don't want any vehicle that is capable of going off road, or traveling on non-paved roads or God forbid, pull a travel trailer into the prisiene wilderness. I love to wake up in God's green forest in the morning and urinate on a tree!

[happy old sailor]

methinks there must be a lot of money to be made here. ppl giving as it is non PC not to. add lip service.

consider how many have turned preacher and went the God route to wealth and influence.

give your money to God, but, they give you their address.

sorry, pet peeve.

keeping my Fl50, Blazer, and 1 ton van. they can go do something ugly to themselves.

[Preacherman]

HOS, not all of us are like that... :rolleyes: Some of us even drive pickups, too!

[Kestryll]

Aren't they guilty of "racial profiling"? It seems that the ad implies that any nation or person from the middle east are terrorist. :what:

While that may actually be true, I thought that the libs were to "enlightened" to see that?

Oh.. I see, we can "profile" to save the planet but not our lives....DUH.....

[Yohan]

http://www.dynres.com/suv.gif
Terrorists training?

[natedog]

If we give in to this crap, the terrorists win. They want us to change our way of life, to affect us in any way we can.

[gun-fucious]

Script of Detroit Project SUV Ads
From www.thedetroitproject.com

Ad 1: "Talking Head/Parody"
"I helped hijack an airplane. I helped blow up a nightclub. So what if it gets 11 miles to the gallon. I gave money to a terrorist training camp in a foreign country. It makes me feel safe. I helped our enemies develop weapons of mass destruction. What if I need to go off-road? Everyone has one. I helped teach kids around the world to hate America. I like to sit up high. I sent our soldiers off to war. Everyone has one. My life, my SUV. I don't even know how many miles it gets to the gallon."

WHAT IS YOUR SUV DOING TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY? DETROIT, AMERICA NEEDS HYBRID CARS NOW.

www.thedetroitproject.com

Paid for by The Detroit Project

Ad 2: "George Head/Parody"

"This is George. This is the gas that George bought for his SUV. This is the oil company executive that sold the gas that George bought for his SUV. These are the countries where the executive bought the oil, that made the gas that George bought for his SUV. And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV."

OIL MONEY SUPPORTS SOME TERRIBLE THINGS. WHAT KIND OF MILEAGE DOES YOUR SUV GET?

www.thedetroitproject.com

Paid for by The Detroit Project

[larryw]

What natedog said.

I'll keep driving my big ol' SUV with the evil NRA Lifer sticker on one corner of the rear window and faded USA flag sticker on the other (faded because its been there longer than fashonable).

Hope that causes a liberal to go into shock.

Just doing my part. :evil:

[Archie]

are these the same lackwits who are demonstrating against "the war"?

[yesterdaysyouth]

when is this bs gonna stop......

how long can corporations use the "The Terrioist Win Mentality" before the sheeple catch on...

if you wanna sell a product don't cry and blame it on terriorst because you can't get the capital that you think you deserve...

what about that what would jesus drive bull****??? who are these lowlives gonna blame their problems on next...

next they'll be blaming it on me because i don't own a hybrid car.... and you know what i never will....

so to these guys i gotta say **** off!!

:o

[hso]

Folks, I live in eastern Tennessee and spent all my life out in the mountains or on the rivers and I don't like seeing these truck/car mutants out on the road.

If you have one for the farm, ranch, construction job or to haul, to get to the hunting camp, fishing site, put in, trail head, camp ground, to tow your boat even I don't have any heartburn with them. Those vehicles are serving a practicle purpose and other types of transportation won't do the job. The bulk of these things are a huge waste of fuel because they don't serve a practicle purpose and they are driven by folks who don't understand how to drive them safely(when's the last time you saw an SUV following at a distance that would be too close for a normal vehicle?).

If America wasn't addicted to petroleum we wouldn't have the need to worry about the middle east.

[G-Raptor]

The only good thing about those ads is that they show the stupidity of the "drugs support terrorist" commercials they are modeled after.

Virtually EVERY commercial activity supports terrorists in one way or another because they get money whatever way they can. Even donating money to your church supports terrorists, if any of it goes overseas.

[G-Raptor]

The only good thing about those ads is that they show the stupidity of the "drugs support terrorist" commercials they are modeled after.

Virtually EVERY commercial activity supports terrorists in one way or another because they get money whatever way they can. Even donating money to your church supports terrorists, if any of it goes overseas.

[pax]

HSO --

Folks, I live in rural Washington and spent all my life out in the mountains or on the rivers and I don't like seeing these evil black assault weapons at the range.

If you have one for military or law enforcement purposes even I don't have any heartburn with them. Those assault weapons are serving a practicle purpose and other types of guns won't do the job. The bulk of these things are a huge waste of ammunition because they don't serve a practicle purpose and they are owned and shot by folks who don't understand how to shoot them safely.

If America wasn't addicted to guns and ammunition, we wouldn't have to worry about the rising tide of violence.

*******

Sounds kind of silly and anti-freedom, doesn't it?

pax

Many people love in themselves what they hate in others. -- Benzel Sternan

[Malone LaVeigh]

Saddam and Osama would be overjoyed to hear this conversation...

[larryw]

hso, that's the same logic that the gun grabbers have been using.

[XLMiguel]

It ain't whut ya drive, it's how ya drive. Any vehicle can be driven well.

That said, it's a free country, and you can drive what you can aford. Can't legislate or implicate good taste or common sense. Moronic, idiotic, inconsiderate, proctologically-challenged drivers are just that, regardless of their choice of vehicle, just happens that SUV's are 'fashionable' these daze, and the same bunch of elitist buttholes whut think they knows whut's gud fer you in every other aspect of your life feel equally free to tell you what you should be driving (or not).

Personally, I hate the damn things because I feel that large clumsey vehicles in the hands of the inept are a threat to me. We're talkin' idjits whut think that 4wd/awd, anti-lock brakes, etc., repeal the laws of physics, and I take great glee every time I see one on it's roof in the median.

I mean no offense to those who actually drive 'em reasonably/responsibly, live in the boonies, who actually go further off road than the shoulder, who really have things to tow, etc., but here in yup central, where they're 'an active livestyle accessory', well, I'm just glad they got out of BMWs (my vehicle of choice, as they gave the marque (any marque) a bad name), and moved on to something else. stoopid is as stoopid does.

Like a lot of you, I really like them when I see some sort of environmental cause or "Liberal' bumper sicker on 'em, too. As for terrorists and gov't propagandist, they should stay out from between my headlights.

I could rant on, but I bet y'all get my drift.

[George Hill]

I'm burning too much gas?

Dayum.... TIME TO DRILL ALASKA, BOYS!
YEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tamara]

Saddam and Osama would be overjoyed to hear this conversation...

Wow, when'd you get all jingoistic? :confused:

[Monkeyleg]

They want a new tax, and the public ain't in a new-taxpaying mood.

[Justin]

OIL MONEY SUPPORTS SOME TERRIBLE THINGS. WHAT KIND OF MILEAGE DOES YOUR SUV GET?

I'm gonna take a hint from those Nick and Norm anti-drug ads:
Nick: Okay, so it's true.
Norm: What's true?
Nick: Oil money funds terrorism.
Norm: It is true.
Nick: Okay...!
Norm: Okay...?
Nick: Look, let's say I buy some gas for my Geo Metro.
Norm: Let's say.
Nick: Hypothetical.
Norm: Let's say.
Nick: Now how much of my gas money actually makes it to the bad guys' hands? A couple of bucks.
Norm: A few bucks.
Nick: A few bucks! That's it. Peanuts.
Norm: So what you're saying is that it's okay to support terrorism... a little.
Nick: Did I say that?


http://www.mediacampaign.org/images/okay.jpg
http://www.mediacampaign.org/images/ploy.jpg

If you drive a fuel efficient car, I guess it's ok for you to support terrorism, a little.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[armabill]

I assume those that are complaining about the amount of gas that the SUV's use, walk everywhere they go.

[Cal4D4]

Glocks support terrorism. Any plastic can pretty well trace it's roots to a petroleum based precursor of some sort. Any forged steel product that wasn't refined over a coal fire was either petroleum heated or electric furnace. A fair amount of electricity is from oil fired generators.

These ad people are treating us like idiots. This is our war on terrorism?

[rick458]

you know why they call em Soccer Moms?
Because they are hauling Soccer teams all over gods green earth
2 SUVs trump 5 Hybrids in hauling the team from hear to yonder

BTW did anybody catch Rush's "In a Yugo" done to Elvis's In the Ghetto It was killer I think Paul Shanklin did the music LMAO:D

[TheeBadOne]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/655.jpg

[Hawkman]

I read these anti-SUV posts and get the same urge to puke as I do when I read anti-gun, anti-second amendment, and anti-freedom drivel.

"The High Road" indeed!:rolleyes:

[J Miller]

Well, this thread makes me soooooo irritated that I think I'll take a drive in my big old ugly 3/4 ton Ford 4X4 PU and burn both tanks of gas out of it. That should relax the tension. Then go and fill it up. Glug, glug, glug, glug................:what:

I don't remember where but not too long ago I read an article that listed American oil companys that did, and did not buy middle east oil. If we were really serious about not supporting terrorist countries, we would buy from those companies that did not use middle east oil.

As for theses commercials I believe they are idiotic at best. I feel for the kid that did the voice over on the one. I hope he was paid for his work and understands it is just a job, and didn't believe what he read. But I won't hold my breath.

[Betty]

Moving to L&P.... gotta fix these multiple posts also - there's definitely a bug in the system!

[cuchulainn]

Neil Cavuto had a good rant about this last week. Huffington et al. regularly fly private jets all over the country, burning a lot more fuel than Joe Q. Average driving an SUV.

"Frugality for thee but not for me" I think was the phrase he used agaist this hypocrisy.

[Weimadog]

Malone LaVeigh
Member

Saddam and Osama would be overjoyed to hear this conversation...



No they wouldn't. They don't have a good reason to care what we do here.

Saddam just wants us not to interfere with his military adventures, and Osama just wants us to stop supporting the Saudi Royal Family.

Weimadog

[gun-fucious]

Huffington planted the seeds for The Detroit Project in her nationally syndicated column in October by fantasizing about a people's ad campaign taking the government to task for failing to pass tougher fuel efficiency standards while waging war to protect cheap oil.

Readers flooded her ''in'' basket with more than 5,000 letters by the next morning, asking where to send money for the mythical campaign. Within three weeks she had raised $200,000 to pay for a week of airtime and production of the ads.


there appear to be quite a few "up lifters" (http://www.msrpa.org/mencken.htm) with spare cash

[Russ]

Lookat the source, Arianna Huffington. She married him and was actually admitted to being a fag for years after he lost the Senate race to Swinestein. If she couldn't even tell that her husband was gay, how can you trust anything she says?

[Hemicuda]

I do not care WHAT they say... I drive a Dodge Ram 1500 with a HEALTHY (Read: 400+ horsepower) 360 C.I. engine, attaining a whoppin' 13 to 15 MPG... lifted a little(3"), and set up for pullin' and playin in the woods.

and when that ain't enough, I get into a gas guzzlin' '70 'Cuda, with a 500+ horse HEMI... , attaining a lofty 8 MPG (on a good day), and go fast...

I used to have a respectable Saturn SL1... but I couldn't STAND the dumnb useless thing... 35 MPG was it's ONLY redeemable feature, and it just wasn't worth the discomfort to drive it...

I also have a "gas squeezer" - it is a '83 Jeep CJ-7 Laredo... @ 18 MPG, with 4" of lift it's the best I got... and even THAT is only until the current (original stock) engine dies... then it too will get a high-horse gas guzzler installed... (I think a well tuned big-block Mopar will do nicely!)

I do not CARE what anyone else thinks of this... I drive these vehicles to please ME, and not "the world @ large"

It makes me happy to drive them, and I can afford to drive them... and that is all that matters.

and anyone who thinks different may do 2 things...

1.-Smootch my backside.

2.-get outta my way, 'cause if you try to cause me problems, I'll drive THROUGH your gas squeezer (I am positive that it'll hurt the midget-mobile FAR worse than it'll hurt me!)

[jimpeel]

6,300 pound, 22 foot long, 8 foot wide, 9 MPG, F-350, one ton, crew cab, dually driver.

So buying a polyester shirt, a ball point pen, A computer floppy disk, a television set, or any other item mainly made of plastic materials must also support terrorism as all of these are petrochemical products made from imported oil.

In fact, the cars these clowns support are made mainly of plastics. Aren't they supporting terrorism by buying these petrochemical based products?

[Tamara]

My other car is a Red Barchetta.

If enjoying one's self behind the wheel of an internal combustion-powered machine is supporting Osama, then Allahu akhbar!, baby.

[Chris Rhines]

What else is there to do with oil, except refine it into plastics and burn it in car engines? You can't exactly make cocktails with it...

- Chris

[Malone LaVeigh]

Leave it in the ground. Course that would take away some infantile toys.

[pax]

Unless, of course, it's the kind of cocktail cooked up by Molotov.

pax

[Chris Rhines]

Again: Why? Oil doesn't do much good in the ground.

And as for infantile toys, I plan on keeping mine. If you object to that, well, tough. My life, not yours.

- Chris

Addendum - Oh God, pax, I really left that one open, didn't I? :D

[Tamara]

"Infantile toys"? Like the computer you're typing on?

Oh, no, wait! I know!

"Infantile toys" are things that I enjoy, while mature hobbies are what you like, right?

Scratch any freedom lover in the right place, and you'll always get the Nazi to pop out of his pocket...

[Zander]

Leave it in the ground.Why? Is there some use you envision in the future for dead, compressed dinosaurs and plant matter?

What the heck, let's convert the majority of our energy usage to coal...we have hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years of reserves. Would that work, IYO, for you and your green-weenie comrades who think that destruction of private property is "occasionally justified" to protect 'Mother Nature'?

Course that would take away some infantile toys.Your sole means of transportation is a bicycle? Your attitude is increasingly in-tune with that of the oh-so-fascist Bill O'Reilly who avers that those of us who have to haul lots of folks and lots of gear are "selfish".

How 'bout if we take two vehicles averaging 25 mpg on a trip instead of one averaging 18 mpg. Would that satisfy your illogic?

How 'bout a fed.gov mandate that we all drive those pitiful little crackerbox electric cars? Know where we get the energy to recharge the $5,000 battery packs?

In my area, it's from burning coal or cracking atoms.

Or shall we all go to horsedrawn carriages? But wait...the world's biggest source of "greenhouse gases" beyond basic human respiration is animal flatulence.

Genetic engineering to the rescue?

I can't take your ideas seriously...if you want to thrust your silly notions on any segment of the population, start with the hypocrites in Hollyweird and that fool, Al "no controlling legal authority" Gore, who claims that the biggest threat to the human species is the internal combustion engine.

Good luck banning those limousines and Secret Service SUV's...

[45King]

Now here's MY idea of a great SUV: http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html

If I had the $$ to do the customizing, I'd have one of these. Really!

To all the tree- and bunny-hugging, anti-SUV, anti-gun, and anti-freedom so-called "liberal" people in general: :neener: Kiss My Big Ol' Hairy White Butt !!

[2nd Amendment]

Ya know, if the Big 3 still built real cars with full frames and V-8's and rear wheel drive I might not drive an Evul SUV. But since they decided we don't need those I drive what they offer.

Americans drive SUV's because they like big cars. Period. Our city streets were built for them and so were our highways. Little cars are great for the beginning driver and the young but otherwise? Deathtraps with no redeeming characteristics at all.

BTW, anyone know where I can get a kit to put a 500 Caddy in a Jaq XJ-6? :D

[armabill]

Until these people start paying for my gas and truck payment, they should look in the mirrior! They got nothing better to do than bother us.

[NewShooter78]

I guess none of us should do our own home improvements, help friends move, go shopping at any big box retailer or wearhouse outlet, etc. etc. And besides, how are we supposed to have tailgate parties? But then again these are probably the same folks that want to ban hockey and football as well, so that would solve that problem. Maybe if they could build a hybrid truck or suv that was bigger than a hamburger box, could travel the speed limit on the highways, and didn't look horribly ugly, then some of us might actually consider looking at them. But don't dare say I support terrorism because I like being a little higher off the ground, like to get off of paved roads, and like to not have to have everything big that I buy delivered.

[TheeBadOne]

Until these people start paying for my gas and truck payment, they should look in the mirrior! They got nothing better to do than bother us.

Amen

[Soap]

Articles like this make me want to make enough money to upgrade my C-Class Benz to a S600 with a V12 :D

When I was purchasing my car at the dealer, they had about 20 Bentleys in stock. Each one had a "Gas Guzzler Tax" of approximately $5500...

[Pointman]

Here are a couple of interesting follow up articles... can you say hypocrisy?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30412

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01132003/gossip/pagesix.htm

[0007]

The three of us were real happy we were in my 4000 pound SUV rather then my friend's Honda Civic when the loaded ten-ton truck rear-ended us at the traffic light. We all got out and walked away. $5,000 later I had my truck back... Isuzu Rodeo - don't drive in the Middle-East without one.